MTRodaba2468

I know, I shouldn't. I have a habit for being a glutton for punishment.

Well for me, personally, I think it's a wiser investment to simply not buy titles for a format that you don't own. I didn't start buying Blu-Rays until I had my PS3. But that's just me.

I assume that based on:

A) the fact that Chris has been so outspoken on these practices concerning Blu-Ray releases that it's become a running joke.

B) the fact that there is a significant minority of Blu-Ray owners compared to standard DVD owners (basing it on my own experience, I'm the only one of my friends with a Blu-Ray player; one of the reasons I've still been hanging onto any standard DVDs I own).

Anyway, this is starting to get out of hand. Getting back on topic, I didn't see this in theaters, but I'm interested in giving it a rental.

Gizmo

Not to throw more fuel on the fire but Warners 17 Again DVD is also 100% barebones while the Blu-ray is loaded.

PopcornBandit

I will definitely be getting the blu-ray. This is my favorite movie of 2009 so far.

philip74

yeah, so will ghosts of girlfriends past and several recent releases like friday the 13th, he`s just not that into you, etc.
thats why were are all so pissed off about warner`s release policies!!

tylergfoster

I think it's mainly just you and chris. There are a few grumbles here and there but I don't see anyone else getting really furious about it the way you two do.

WMAangel

I can just picture it now:
(teen/tween girl) "Mom, Dad, you just HAVE to buy me a Blu-ray player, even if we don't have a HDTV...I must see the Zac Efron extra features, he's so dreamy!!!!!"

philip74

is that in your signature pic you?

Gizmo

IIRC they had BD Exclusive features but the ones released did have some special features. 17 Again and Observe and Report have nothing.

Gizmo

Believe it or not the film is actually decent. There are two BD-Live Commentary tracks as well (not available yet).

tylergfoster

Nope, I am a guy (as evidenced by both my screen name and my actual name, Tyler Foster). My icon is of a girl.

philip74

ahh ok. girl in the picture seemed cute, therefore i wouldn`t have given a harsh answer. however, since you are a guy i will.....just kiddin`i won`t give you a harsh answer either
you are right, maybe some of us are more passionate about this topic than others. as i am still buying standard dvd, it just pisses me off for the principle.
i will switch when i want and not when companies insist i am ready
i thought that the main selling aspect of bluray is the spectacular high definition video. if companies have to pull such stunts to get people to switch, then bluray is in serious trouble
besides what is so hard about providing an extra special edition on standard dvd for the people who want that? they could even price it the same. would make more sense than a full screen copy.
that way i am sure they wouldn`t lose any turnover. i don`t understand why iz would make a difference to a company if they generate profits from dvd or bluray anyow!!??
i don`t think many people will switch formats just for a few extra fluff pieces!
the quality enthusiasts have probably all bought bluray equipment anyhow.
the MAIN thing that makes me so pissed is just how ignorant warner treats their customers!! not just because of this issue. they never answer any emails and generally don`t seem to give a fuck about what the customer wants or their feedback! standard dvd buyers are still their core income, so they shouldn`t offend that source of income so much!

Gizmo

They don't want to - very simple.

You have the option of buying a barebones (or close to it) DVD or the loaded Blu-ray. Get use to it. Studios want to make more $ and this is how they will do it.

philip74

i still don`t see how they would make more money with it....

Gizmo

If you want to watch Special Features you will have to buy the Blu-ray. Blu-ray will cost more money then the typical 2 Disc DVD Edition (by $4-$10). If you buy the SE Blu-ray you are more likely to buy other titles as well (upgrade from DVD etc.) because you are now a Blu-ray owner. As a bonus, if you go on BD-Live they can collect information on you to sell (age demographics, what you watch etc).

chris_sc77

Yeah thats a real fucking bonus.

tylergfoster

Now that you've calmed down some, your argument sounds a lot more sensible. The same way you don't like Warner screwing SD-DVD owners over, I don't like hearing wildly exaggerated rants about how much Blu-Ray sucks (or, say, how anything that isn't 2 hours long and rated R is dumb...), which is what it sounds like sometimes. A calmer argument is a better one.

By the way, the girl in the icon is named Julia Nunes. She records covers and original songs on ukulele and posts them on YouTube. You can find her videos at http://www.youtube.com/user/jaaaaaaa.

RagingBull80

I'm actually pretty mad about it as well but a long winded, poorly structured, poorly punctuated post with gobs of exclamation points isn’t going to help me. I let that anger build up inside where it can do the most amount of damage.

tylergfoster

This is the rage that defines RagingBull80!

philip74

just not to get things mixed up; i never said ANYTHING against bluray!
i am never against technological improvements and will probably switch
somewhere down the line.
just these silly ways of trying to push the format upset me. if the new high def quality doesn`t speak for itself, then maybe it is not such a major improvement as the studios like to put it.
for me there are the following factors why i haven`t made the transition:

1) cost. i am home based in europe and import all my dvds from the states.
costly enough
2) have not found a good codefree player
3) have a perfect collection of around 800 dvds. don`t like the idea of mixing
in smaller boxes.
4) have an upconverting player which makes sd look very good.
5) have tested bluray players at friends`houses, the loading time really
bothered me!
6) don`t need picture in picture commentaries or bluray internet features.
7) many titles still not available.

sorry for the offtopic, but thats just to show you that i am actually pretty rational about it (except for point 3 ).
i think dvd will be around for quite some time, so companies like warner, please don`t ignore the fact that youur dvd customers have spent hundreds or thousands of dollars on your products.....so don`t treat them like fools, just because you decide to push something new!

jjcool

Yep.

Matthew Chmiel

Didn't see a thread dedicated to this in HD Talk.

The Blu-ray has a solid amount of bonus features. It includes 45 minutes of unused footage (deleted and extended scenes plus gag reel), two brief featurettes, a faux security guard training video, but the meat comes in terms of the IME experience which is the Hill, Rogen and Farris video commentary. It's a shame that there's no way to listen to it without the video on, but I'll get more in-depth with the Blu-ray when I have free time during the week.

philip74

got the dvd for this. luckily it is not a flipper disc, even though the disc
contains widescreen and fullscreen formats.
both are on one side and although i prefer this practice over flippers, the
picture quality does seem to suffer a bit.
disc also included a hangover trailer, bit still no info on when it will finally be released....

-TRANCE-

Yeah that is much better. I'm glad they at least smartened up and stopped using flippers. I still don't support them as much because of their lack of extras to push blu-ray.

Matthew Chmiel

Why? You suffer more compression by stuffing both widescreen and a full frame transfers onto a dual-layer disc rather than a double-sided single-layered disc. Single-layers give you 4.38 GiB rather than the 7.92 a dual-layer disc gives you. Almost a half of GiB is lost in the transition which for an MPEG-2 transfer could mean some difference, especially when there are no extras to speak of.

Then again, I saved up my money to purchase a brand new TV and PS3 so I could make the switch to Blu and it's a switch I'm glad I made.

doctorthodt

That sounds awesome! Thought this movie was great and I for one am glad Blu-Ray is getting exclusive special features