Vertigo Universal Legacy Series: 10/7/08
09-29-08 | 02:08 PM
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I disagree completely. Each release should be rated strictly on its own merits. The review text can give comparisons and recommendations to people that already own another version, but the overall rating should be independent of that. Not everyone owns earlier releases of the same film and the overall rating should not assume so.
09-29-08 | 02:38 PM
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09-29-08 | 02:49 PM
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The few new extras aside, is there any way to know if the video image has been improved at all from the versions in the Masterpiece Collection in 2005? I own that boxed set, and would only consider purchasing these new dvds if the image was improved over those 2005 issues. Otherwise, it's Blu-ray for me down the road.
[Edit] Looks like DVDBeaver did a comparison for Rear Window (Masterpiece vs Legacy). So, I guess that answers the question. I still think I'll wait for Blu-ray as the video improvements aren't so significant from the 2005 editions--which look great for what the films were originally shot on.
[Edit] Looks like DVDBeaver did a comparison for Rear Window (Masterpiece vs Legacy). So, I guess that answers the question. I still think I'll wait for Blu-ray as the video improvements aren't so significant from the 2005 editions--which look great for what the films were originally shot on.
Last edited by Jfunk1; 09-29-08 at 02:58 PM. Reason: I found the answer (albeit partial answer) to my question
09-29-08 | 03:03 PM
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There's definitely a change in this one over the Masterpiece set. See the DVDBeaver review. I like the look of the Legacy grabs, myself. But I don't see enough improvement over the Masterpiece set to upgrade on that alone. They largely look a little brighter and slightly better color, not much more detail.
The Rear Window legacy looks more improved over the Masterpiece set based on the DVDBeaver grabs.
-beebs
The Rear Window legacy looks more improved over the Masterpiece set based on the DVDBeaver grabs.
-beebs
09-29-08 | 03:48 PM
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I'm pretty sure that's just a bad choice of words on your part but I don't consider any films by Alfred Hitchcock as "extra movies."
If a DVD is released, it's a release whether or not you choose to own it.
That sort of thinking is exactly my point. Reviewers rewarding DVD producers for finally getting it right ... what nonsense.
DVD reviewers would offer far more worth by talking about the value equation. When a DVD comes out off of the same master with minor tweaking of the image and a couple of new extras it should get a 'Rent It' whereas you guys give it your highest rating ... what a joke.
Apparently all Universal needed to do was give an individual release to a release only initially available as a box set and add a commentary ... both things they should have done from the get-go. Now with Blu-ray around the corner for many of us ... please.
If a DVD is released, it's a release whether or not you choose to own it.
That sort of thinking is exactly my point. Reviewers rewarding DVD producers for finally getting it right ... what nonsense.
DVD reviewers would offer far more worth by talking about the value equation. When a DVD comes out off of the same master with minor tweaking of the image and a couple of new extras it should get a 'Rent It' whereas you guys give it your highest rating ... what a joke.
Apparently all Universal needed to do was give an individual release to a release only initially available as a box set and add a commentary ... both things they should have done from the get-go. Now with Blu-ray around the corner for many of us ... please.
I believe DVD's should be rated on their own merit, and I don't think there's any real reason to think that what they're releasing now, are not the definitive versions of these films for DVD. These films have been released with great looking transfers, the first time any single release for these films have had them since 2001, and in Psycho's case, what, 1998? Plenty of information given in the commentaries, plenty of special features that don't feel like throw-away material, I mean, what more could you possibly want?
09-29-08 | 04:11 PM
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09-29-08 | 04:14 PM
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09-29-08 | 04:16 PM
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09-29-08 | 05:09 PM
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Beebs and kefrank, I understand what you're saying. But the review for a DVD doesn't include the notion that 'well this should appear in a box set of special edition that featues all of the directors works', or 'this should be on blu-ray'. Based on the merits of these releases themselves, is what they're graded by. Again, for definitive versions of these films on DVD, I really don't know what else we could be given.
09-29-08 | 08:12 PM
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It could be quite a while before this is released on Blu-ray.
For one thing, Universal showed very little interest in releasing older films on HD DVD. The Sting and The Deer Hunter are the only ones that come to mind, and those were films from the 70s, not the 50s or 60s.
Second, all but one of the catalog titles they have released or are releasing on BD this year are titles already on HD DVD. So, not only do we have to wait for them to decide to release older films, but we might also have to wait for them to port over the 80s-2000s films they already released on HD DVD. That could take a couple of years.
For one thing, Universal showed very little interest in releasing older films on HD DVD. The Sting and The Deer Hunter are the only ones that come to mind, and those were films from the 70s, not the 50s or 60s.
Second, all but one of the catalog titles they have released or are releasing on BD this year are titles already on HD DVD. So, not only do we have to wait for them to decide to release older films, but we might also have to wait for them to port over the 80s-2000s films they already released on HD DVD. That could take a couple of years.
09-29-08 | 08:59 PM
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Beebs and kefrank, I understand what you're saying. But the review for a DVD doesn't include the notion that 'well this should appear in a box set of special edition that featues all of the directors works', or 'this should be on blu-ray'. Based on the merits of these releases themselves, is what they're graded by. Again, for definitive versions of these films on DVD, I really don't know what else we could be given.
10-02-08 | 10:45 AM
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Joe,
DVDs are generally available for rent on the first day of release, in this case, October 7th.
A better question will be whether this release will be available for rent.
Unfortunately, Netflix's opinion of the worth of this release seems to mirror my own as they don't appear to be carrying it. It's not always easy to tell with Netflix but on a double disc offering, they usually offer the special features disc for rental and (so far) they aren't.
Blockbuster shows the new cover art but the details DON"T give any confidence that it is the new release.
Perhaps other rental groups will release it.
One approach I've used is search my state's library system by title and date. Often there is a library that will buy the new release and you can request an inter-library loan, often at no cost.
DVDs are generally available for rent on the first day of release, in this case, October 7th.
A better question will be whether this release will be available for rent.
Unfortunately, Netflix's opinion of the worth of this release seems to mirror my own as they don't appear to be carrying it. It's not always easy to tell with Netflix but on a double disc offering, they usually offer the special features disc for rental and (so far) they aren't.
Blockbuster shows the new cover art but the details DON"T give any confidence that it is the new release.
Perhaps other rental groups will release it.
One approach I've used is search my state's library system by title and date. Often there is a library that will buy the new release and you can request an inter-library loan, often at no cost.
10-02-08 | 03:03 PM
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Joe,
DVDs are generally available for rent on the first day of release, in this case, October 7th.
A better question will be whether this release will be available for rent.
Unfortunately, Netflix's opinion of the worth of this release seems to mirror my own as they don't appear to be carrying it. It's not always easy to tell with Netflix but on a double disc offering, they usually offer the special features disc for rental and (so far) they aren't.
Blockbuster shows the new cover art but the details DON"T give any confidence that it is the new release.
Perhaps other rental groups will release it.
One approach I've used is search my state's library system by title and date. Often there is a library that will buy the new release and you can request an inter-library loan, often at no cost.
DVDs are generally available for rent on the first day of release, in this case, October 7th.
A better question will be whether this release will be available for rent.
Unfortunately, Netflix's opinion of the worth of this release seems to mirror my own as they don't appear to be carrying it. It's not always easy to tell with Netflix but on a double disc offering, they usually offer the special features disc for rental and (so far) they aren't.
Blockbuster shows the new cover art but the details DON"T give any confidence that it is the new release.
Perhaps other rental groups will release it.
One approach I've used is search my state's library system by title and date. Often there is a library that will buy the new release and you can request an inter-library loan, often at no cost.
10-02-08 | 05:41 PM
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10-02-08 | 08:54 PM
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10-05-08 | 01:41 PM
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One of my local library districts actually decided to buy the Special Edition of Pyscho and I requested Vertigo, and Rear Window Special Editions and I am sure there is a good chance that they will buy these. By the way I bought Vertigo off the iTunes store since I had the extra cash on my gift card and even though iTunes says it is the 1998 version its actually the version that appeared in the Masterpiece Boxset and the new Special Edition which is good since I really wanted this version and I have the ability to output it to my television and it looks pretty good for a itunes version, especially on a 20 inch CRT TV which makes it look like its a DVD.
10-07-08 | 02:36 AM
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I have no trouble double dipping on this, Rear Window, and Psycho. It's a new transfer, and while it's not a Blu-ray release, a new transfer of one of my favorite films will almost always get my money.
10-07-08 | 10:00 AM
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Of course, you're a studio's wet dream. A guy with nearly 100 HD-DVD AND 100 Blu-Ray purchases who will double dip for more SD releases. I think P.T. Barnum was right.
Btw, based on the (soon-to-be defunct DVDspot) link in your signature, you don't even own Rear Window.
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10-07-08 | 12:00 PM
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If your definition of "new transfer" is 2005 (or thereabouts) than yes, it is new.
Of course, you're a studio's wet dream. A guy with nearly 100 HD-DVD AND 100 Blu-Ray purchases who will double dip for more SD releases. I think P.T. Barnum was right.
Btw, based on the (soon-to-be defunct DVDspot) link in your signature, you don't even own Rear Window.
Of course, you're a studio's wet dream. A guy with nearly 100 HD-DVD AND 100 Blu-Ray purchases who will double dip for more SD releases. I think P.T. Barnum was right.
Btw, based on the (soon-to-be defunct DVDspot) link in your signature, you don't even own Rear Window.
10-07-08 | 02:49 PM
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DVDBeaver didn't compare the new Psycho version but since you mentioned Vertigo, here are his screen caps from the film, slightly cropped so you couldn't just go to his screen caps and immediately see which is which based on the differences on the black borders.
So, if the new Legacy version is "looking better" than the Masterpiece version ... which is which? Or did I just use the same image?
10-07-08 | 03:01 PM
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^ [cue Hitchcock Presents theme music] It's a mystery. I'm still happy about double dipping. These films are worth it. I'm already quadrupling for Casablanca -- and I have no problem with that either.
10-07-08 | 11:23 PM
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