Calling someone else a troll doesn't automatically make it so. How about I call you a troll? You're a troll. Does that actually make you a troll? NO. Please do not jump to conclusions. I'm about as valid a contributor to this message board as the rest of you.

(BTW: The only aspect ratios for Kubrick's "The Shining," "Full Metal Jacket," and "Eyes Wide Shut" are the fullscreen versions. Kubrick always intended them to be seen as they are displayed on home video and DVD releases.)

I picked mine up from costco yesterday and then started reading the thread.

Yellow letters
wrapped
anamorphic

"Original aspect ratio means how the movie was filmed, not how it was shown theatrically."

ok whatever.

So I guess you just want to ignore Kubrick's own handwritten notes?

Calling each other trolls doesn't help, but coming in and making definitive statements with no proof other than a user-submitted database isn't helping either.

Did you look at the pic in the thread I linked a few posts back? They clearly prove your point wrong. Constantly spouting one point of view in spite of clear evidence against is trolling behavior. Face facts, you are incorrect.

"...The only aspect ratios for Kubrick's "The Shining," "Full Metal Jacket," and "Eyes Wide Shut" are the fullscreen versions. Kubrick always intended them to be seen as they are displayed on home video and DVD releases.)"
First of all, home video didn't even exist when Kubrick filmed The Shining so that's a bunch of hooey....

I gotta call shennagins on this one... VHS was released in '76 and this was released in 1980, so there certainly was a home video market. HOWEVER, that home video market was 100% 4 x 3. So, of course, the home video segment would benefit from a 4x3 "safe" picture. The notes from the director in the previous pics on HTF certainly backs this up. Kubrick never imagined that the home video market would swing back to OAR, instead of 4x3.

I'm in the 16 x 9 camp, I believe that all his movies should be viewed as they were in the theater.

I also agree that at this point, to please everyone, they should release 4 x 3 and 16 x 9 together for each release. Everyone wins!

Wow, I just realized that I typed this response in a thread about Mel Brooks. Let's get back on-topic people!

Why? That's not the aspect ratio he intended.

All films shot in fullscreen should be released in fullscreen. I don't want "Gone With The Wind" and "Casablanca" to be aspect-ratio butchered in order to satisfy 16x9 nuts.

Are you intentionally ignoring Kubrick's own notes?

Here. I'll make it easy for you:



Note the top right corner.

Can you show us something this definitive (not IMDB) to support your claims about Kubrick or Young Frankenstein?

The back covers of the DVDs of "The Shining," "Eyes Wide Shut," and "Full Metal Jacket" are enough for me: "this feature is presented in the full aspect ratio of the original camera negative, as Stanley Kubrick intended" - how do I know that picture of yours isn't just a fake? If I told you that I had a copy of "The Passion of the Christ" signed by Jesus himself, you'd probably believe that.

I haven't been trying to claim anything on "Young Frankenstein". All I'm trying to say at the moment is that fullscreen versions of films SHOT in fullscreen should be included.

Sorry about this - you can go ahead and get back on topic.

I'll second The Valeyard /\

and I also have to comment on the line about trusting the back of the DVD packaging; if the DVD for Ishtar said "Makes Citizen Kane look like Encino Man", would you believe it? The storyboard above is from a book about Kubrick from his personal notes.

Yes, we're a little off-topic, but I think it's necessary to establish precedent. And I'll reiterate that I wouldn't be opposed to Fox including a 4x3 version with the 16x9 if Brooks said so. But you haven't provided any proof of that.

Wow-just wow. You really are a troll.

Yes I routinely go around fabricating photos and then ask other people to host them in all in an elaborate plot to fool you.

You have some serious issues.

You need to suck it up and admit you're wrong. You know it and we all know it.

I'm not the one claiming that Stanley Kubrick had intended The Shining to be seen in widescreen, nor am I promoting the concept of releasing films in non-original aspect ratios. I don't give a shit where you claim you got that photo, Warner Brothers IS a valid source. And don't call me a troll again, you worthless waste of oxygen.

No, that's YOU. And you're wrong.

OK troll.....you worthless waste of keystrokes lol.

So you "haven't been claiming anything on Young Frankenstein", and now you're not claiming Kubrick intended 4:3.

So.....what are you doing here again?

You are a laugh riot. Here's a tip: if you're going to paint yourself into a corner, at least make sure it's by a window.

Sooo ... how are the transfers for the Brooks flicks (besides Blazing Saddles and Young Frankenstein)?

Mod note: What we obviously have here is a failure to communicate First, I haven't been reading/following this thread so I have no idea how Kubrick came up in a thread about Mel Brooks, and frankly I don't want to know Since it's off topic though please drop this part of the discussion and stay on topic. Second, I've heard things both ways about what Kubrick intended, but since he's dead I don't think we are going to get a definitive answer. If someone does find something verifiable please post it (w/ the links/source to back it up)... in a new thread Third, the term troll is usually used for someone who goes into a forum just to stir up trouble. From what I'm reading here it seems both sides honestly believe in the positions they are espousing so I'm not sure it is applicable. Maybe they are just really good at being a troll and I'm giving them too much benefit of doubt Anyway, the point is I just wanted to remind everyone not everyone who disagrees w/ you is necessarily a troll.

thx

I apologize for contributing to the fracas Nemein.

To get back on topic...

I've watched everything except Silent Movie, and I think they all look better than expected. History Of The World looks great-probably the best of the bunch. Even better than the newer RH:MIT. But I believe the authoring dates show some of these discs, including RH:MIT, have VOB files made back in 2002, so that could account for the difference.

Twelve Chairs also looked really good for its age. I believe there were some minor print flaws present on it, but other than that very nice.

On the whole, even without an abundance of extras and the presence of the old Blazing Saddles, I still really think this set is worth it.

I just received the set in the mail today.I ordered it from Deep Discount.ca the canadian version of DDD.So my Young Frankenstein and History Of The World are
the old versions!! I already own the original non anamorphic versions of these 2 and I got them again...So I have 2 screw ups in this set!! How can this be worse for us canadians!! Who else got the old 1999 version of History of The world again in this set instead of the new and improoved one...The packaging is bi-lingual also the art on the slims case is bi-lingual except for 3 of the flicks...

Ok I watched the 2 discs to make sure they were not anamorphic and guess what? They both are!! For some reason my Young Frankenstein has no art on the disc,looks just like my old version and they are not the same disc.The one in the set is anamorphic.My History Of The world disc writes 1999 on the disc and the writing is black instead of white like the old disc was and that disc is in this new set is anamorphic!! I'm glad I don't have to send them back...but how is this even remotely possible? Did they print the wrong labelling for these discs in Canada?? Man what a relief!!

Hey, I got a question that completely slipped my mind during the whole Aspect Ratio fiasco.

Are all the special features carried over from the previous YF Disc?

I also got the set from deepdiscountdvd.ca and YF and HOTW are anamorphic! There is no art on the discs and they look like the old discs but atleast they are in 16:9. Deepdiscount canada rules by the way, I got my order in like 4 days, thats faster than amazon.ca!

Just to note, the old versions of YF and HOTW had flags to auto zoom on a 16X9 TV. Auto zooming is not the same as anamorphic. I would check these on a PC if possible to verify they really are anamorphic. Also the new transfers are both very nice so if the image on these looks zoomed in I would call Fox to get the new discs.

Well the Young Frankeinsten disc has that don't download steal movies off the interent FBI trailer thing that you can't skip when you insert the disc.So it's a new pressing of the film with no art on the disc.I played the old versions of these flicks on my tv and they don't have that bad flag auto zooming thing you are talking about...so these are new discs with no art on the discs that's all...