I'm assuming you take "flipper" to mean a DVD whose feature film is split up over two sides of the same disc. Considering "flipper" in the case of DVDs HAS no definitive definition, Kevin is hardly incorrect of his assessment of the Mallrats X disc as a "flipper". It is a disc with two sides, and therefore must be flipped over to see all the content.

I have 3 dvd players and my season 3 Quantum Leap set only plays on one of them.

I need to call them to consider replacing them.

where did you read that? unitl we can get a run time on the extended cut, i wouldn't jump to conclusions.

thats a lot of people upset about universal dual sided disc...you think they would charge a bit more and keep everyone happy

So would 99% of DVD afficionados.

He's not totally incorrect because a dual-sided disc does indeed need to be "flipped" in order to view all the content. But while one cannot fault him for using the term "flipper" in that sense, it's certainly not what the vast majority of people refer to when using said term.

all i meant was that i just don't like dual sided discs. whether or not it's the movie that is split up or the movie is on one side and the extras on the other, i simply don't care for them. i would rather have separate discs. sorry if i misused the term.

Is Kevin kidding with his post that states:

"It seems that there was indeed some legitimate confusion regarding the Mallrats X DVD. It'll be just a single-disc set, but a two-sided one. It's one of those fancy dual-layer, dual-sided discs, so you're basically getting the same amount of content as you'd see on two separate discs. Just less physical storage space and one less disc to lose or get covered in your grubby fingerprints."


First off, "a fancy dual layered, dual sided disc", its not fancy its cheap. Secondly, a 2 disc set in a slim line case is no more space than a regular single disc dvd. Third point is that a dual sided disc gets much more "grubby fingerprints" than single sided discs do. This is a bunch of bullshit. How can he even play it off like we are getting hooked up by buying a dual sided disc? Has anyone written to Kevin or Universal and called them on there bunch of B.S.?

Well, either a) he isn't as knowledgeable about general DVD issues as one might be led to believe, or b) he's trying to sell his DVD and not dwell on what's bad about it.

I agree, except there is a big difference between not dwelling on something bad and claiming that the bad attribute is actually a positive attribute. He obviously has either no clue or no morals. Kevin would not be anywhere without the support of his real fans. They are loyal and will spend money on anything he does. I think that is going to change when his fans get screwed like this. I sold my old copy of Mallrats, and now I am regretting it. An anniversary edition should be better than its previous versions.

Anyone write to Kevin or Universal and tell them the error of their ways? I sent a email to Kevin, but have not heard back. I think if enough people freak out on Kevin and Universal it could effect future releases from coming out this way or atleast Kevin's releases from coming out this way. I don't think it will effect Mallrats, probably due to the fact that they are manufacturing them already or are in the final stages of pre-production. Everyone who gives a shit, should take the time and email Kevin and Univeral.

Kevin didn't post that. That's from NewsAskew, the View Askew news website; Kevin doesn't run it, it's operated by two guys named Chris and Brad, one of whom wrote the intro to Kevin's information, which is what you quoted.

Kevin's been pretty mumm on what he thinks of this one-disc business. In the past, when he's been very quiet about something that affects his works, he's usually unhappy about it.

My mistake. I was forwarded that quote from my cousin who is a Kevin Smith freak. He wrote by mistake that is was from view askew not news askew. It still doesn't change the fact that we are getting shafted. Kevin shouldn't be keeping mumm about it. He should be putting pressure on the studio by encouraging his fans to blitzkreig Universal with emails and phone calls. If he does possess integrity, which I think he does, he should be as publicly outraged as many fans are. Silence doesn't do anything except enable the people who are doing wrong to keep doing it.

Why should Kevin Smith be outraged? Because it's a DVD-18 instead of a two disc set? I understand the dislike of DVD-18s -- I'm not fond of them myself -- but outrage? Doing wrong? It's not like Universal is putting this out on Divx, or something. Again, I would prefer a two disc set, too, but I'm not going to boycott this release because of that. The movie is in its OAR, it's uncut, there are mostly all of the old special features, there are some decent-looking new features, and even the cover art looks good. No boycott here.

First of all, I did not say I was boycotting the dvd. I don't own the movie anymore because I sold my old copy, so I am going to buy the new dvd. What I am saying is that Kevin should speak out if this is not what he intended the dvd to be like. If he really cares about his integrity as an artist then he should be vocal about how is art is handled and manufactured. It is his baby and he should have his input listened to. I can't imagine that he would have released the Mallrats X dvd as a single disc after the release that Clerks X got. So he should say something, not stay silent. And Yes, Universal is doing wrong, because they are not listening to the imput of the person who created it. The artist should have some say as to the way there art is handled. The artist shouldn't have complete control, but should have some.

Good point! Damn you, Kevin, for re-cutting the entire movie in a new way, something you've never done for a DVD release yet! What a jerk!

(A) the studio was doing this release, whether Kevin got involved or not. He just made a point of being involved.
(B) I'm strongly considering buying a copy of the old version of 'Mallrats' to go with this one (I sold mine off too). My advice: Wait till this disc comes out. A lot of people will sell off their old copies, and the price will drop significantly on used copies (it's kinda high right now, that's why I sold mine, and I'm sure that's why you sold yours).

I don't see as it's Kevin's fault, or within Kevin's control, so I haven't E-mailed him about it. Also, last time I talked to him, he was busy acting in a movie, so I wouldn't neccessarily think that petty complaints based on a one paragraph summary of something that hasn't come out yet would be high on his radar.

Naturally. It worked so well with 'Quantum Leap' when the fans complained to Universal about the music ... and when fans complain to them about flipper -- oh, sorry!!! dual-sided -- discs replacing two-disc sets ...

I don't think Kevin has sufficient control over the situation to warrant the blame you're casting at him. What's the alternative? Pull a Linklater and just say "Well, then you can't have a good edition of the movie at all! ... Oh, by the way, would you license the movie to Criterion so they can release the good edition?"

Seems like he's making the best of the situation he's in. He's making it the best he can given certain parameters.

Also, I just wanted to say the loss of the "video angle commentary" is absolutely nothing. You know what all those people look like (well, maybe you don't know what Vincent Pereira looks like, but watch the 'Clerks' disc), and nothing is gained by it. The one thing that *would've* been good -- Jason Lee's impression of Jeremy London -- was cut out at Lee's request. No loss.

I would've liked the deleted scenes seperate, though, and, as I said, I may buy the old version on the cheap when this comes out.

You mean like when the artist doesn't edit the movie in the first place but gets the chance, ten years later, to go back and edit it himself (with his co-editor)?

I thought Linklater didn't know the extras were pulled from the release until the last minute, because everyone (even him) assumed that the "Flashback Edition" would have all the supplements he made mention to. Either way, Universal fucked up on that specific release big time.

You are quoting things I said when my understanding was that Kevin had made the statement I quoted, not Newsaskew. Once that was established, I have not placed any blame on Kevin for the dvd being released the way it is. The problem I have, which people have agreed with, is that this release is most likely not the way that Kevin intended the release to be. If that is indeed the case, he should be vocal about it, and not be "mumm" as another poster stated. As an artist you should be vocal about the way that your creations are handled, whether it is in your control or not. I don't think he is making the best of the situation he is in. Artistic integrity should be paramount (no pun intended), and he should vocalize his disapproval of things. I am not blaming him for deciding to release the film this way, that is clearly Universal's poor judgement. I am saying that he should open his mouth and say something. I think he has been a person in the past who has called it like it is. In this circumstance, he isn't calling anything.

But "calling anything" in regards to what? Is it just the DVD-18 issue? Because otherwise, this disc sounds pretty damn good. I'm all for artists having say over their work, but to yell at a studio because they put your work on a DVD-18 instead of on two discs? It's called picking one's battles.

Kevin had no intent. As has been said before, it was Universal's intent to release a new version with whatever features they had in mind. Kevin found out and asked to be involved, but the intent and whatever content ends up on the disc lies with Universal unlike Clerks which was driven and put together by Kevin and crew.

Kevin Smith should get all rights to his movies, remaster them for DVD himself, put them out in over sized boxes and sell them for $40.00 each, and put no chapter stops on the DVDs, and sell them exclusively online.

I was under the impression that Linklater wanted to include a specific extra (a documentary, I think, about a 'Dazed and Confused' festival or reunion or something) which wasn't ready yet, and Universal said they wouldn't delay the release because they wanted it to come out, so he pulled all the extras that he had produced (commentary, whatever else) off and said he wouldn't participate, and began saying (at least on-line) that he wanted Criterion to release it (which seems unlikely).

I might be wrong, I honestly don't remember where I read that, but I thought it was somewhere on these boards a few months ago.

You still seem mad at him. It still seems silly.

Kevin intended the original release to stand on its own as *the* release of 'Mallrats'. Universal wanted this disc to be released, so Kevin actively sought to participate, reasoning that people wanted to buy it because it was his movie, so he ought to participate. I don't understand how much participation you think he owes you, but I assure you, your standards are too high.

Even when your "art" is 'Mallrats'?

Okay, that was a cheap shot, but one which I'm sure Kevin would take at himself. The thing is, I don't understand what you want from him. Do you think Universal wanted to pay for a new edit of 'Mallrats', or do you think he had to argue for that? Don't you think he fought a few battles for this disc?

Here's another question - what, exactly, are you suggesting he do? Say "Hey, guys, I know I put a lot of work into this disc, but you shouldn't buy it, because you'll have to flip it to see some of the content, instead of putting in a second disc. On the off-chance that you get fingerprints all over both sides, you ought not to buy it."

I don't understand what you want of him. But I will say that it seems like Universal has some sort of data which suggests, at least to them, that people would rather buy dual-sided discs than two-disc sets. *That* is something which can be combatted. Not like 'Mallrats X'.

Can you elaborate on that a little? What situation? He already had an uphill battle to get involved with the disc, re-cut the movie, shot a new Q&A with a bunch of actors who weren't involved with the disc previously. Why stir up trouble over something silly like dual-sided discs?

What pun?

[self-follow-up, to complete the reference: "Quiet! He thinks he's witty.")

Beyond the fact that you are making the assumption that he actively disapproves of releasing the disc this way, I don't see what he would have to gain by doing so. Your definition of integrity sounds like a two-year old only child, crying because every single thing isn't just so. It'd be good if it were a two-disc, but is it really that big a deal?

If so, feel free to write to Universal, but I *still* don't see why you insist that Kevin should be putting down the release of his own movie in advance of said release.

I am not mad at Kevin, and I agree with some of what you are saying. I don't care for the personal remarks though. The whole point of a forum is to have healthy discussion and debate, as well as reporting news. I respect your opinions but dislike the manner in which you present them. I think that it is easy to misjudge something someone writes. If you heard me say, what I wrote then you would see I am not mad, but disappointed. Everyone has there own definition of what artistic integrity is. I am an artist myself and I will always speak out if my art is misrepresented or mishandled. I actually just won a lawsuit because my art was mishandled. So while you might think it is acting like a two year old to make your wishes known, I call it having self respect. Are you an artist in any sense of the word? If you are then you should understand what I am saying, if you are not, then try to understand.

It seems that the Extended Cut has a running time of 123 minutes, according to Universal's site:

http://homevideo.universalstudios.co...?childId=35638

...making it a total of 27 minutes longer.

Can't say I dig the yellow much, and the "Mallrats X" sounded nice. The cover isn't very nicely composed, is it?