Lady and the Tramp (Is this a bootleg? help!)
 

hopefully I post the images right, but I just got this in the mail today, and I was wondering a couple things.

1. insert supposed to be glossy?

2. is the disc/disc art supposed to be completely smooth, because it seems to lack that sort of "rough" texture of some other DVDs by Disney I have. No "grainy" looking or feeling texture.

hopefully the pics will help illustrate my question.

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/xfrank...bum?.dir=/13e7

Looks real to me. If it's a bootleg, it's one of the best I've ever seen.

Yep. that looks legit. This is one of Disney's earlier offerings on dvd, under the 'limited issue' banner. That would explain why it looks different than most of the recent releases.

is the disc art supposed to look dull and smooth?

because my Beauty and the Beast, and Snow White DVDs I got at a local store, have kind of a grainy texture/look

I only get red X's..

http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/xfrank...bum?.dir=/13e7

let me know if that album works, it has the pictures of the DVD in it. I had to change the restriction level on the album.

I will have to look at mine and let you know tomorrow but.....I do not believe the chapter stops are listed on the back cover unless that is the chapter insert in the pic. Will take a look at mine this evening.

do many bootleggers go to the trouble of rounding the corners to the jackets?

Everything looked identical to my copy with one EXCEPTION.

On the actual DVD itself the "Disney DVD" logo is under the baker's feet and just to the left of the table. Yours appears up near the baker's waist. Maybe it's nothing at all, but it is inconsistent.

Is the DVD itself, like the disc art have a really smooth texture?? I think thats the only thing I am really worried about, since my other DVDs have kind of a slight grain look to them and so on.

Also to one of the above posters, the thing with the chapter stops is the insert.

My disc of Lady and the Tramp, is kind of grainy, like Snow White.

Andy

I don't have my copy in front of me either. Another couple suggestions to look at: what color is the surface of the disc? I could be wrong, but aren't bootlegs done on DVD-/+Rs? If so, the color will be different than a typical DVD. The DVD+Rs I have used were either purple or green.

Also I can't tell from the picture, but it looks like the region coding is either 1 or 3. If it's 3, then your answer is it's an import.

If those 2 things check out too. Then it's either legit or bootlegging may have gotten to a completely indetectable level.

Generally, if you have to ask if this you have a bootleg, you do. I had a legit copy of this, along with a bootleg, but I can't really tell with your pictures if yours is legit or not.

Thanks for all the help :), and hopefully more help haha,

1. The disc looks like its on a gold colored disc.

2. I played it on a couple players and this is what happened:

Philips 727- played fine
Bose Home Theater 3-2-1- played fine
Toshiba SDK740- getting disc error message

so I'm not really sure about it still.

there are numbers on the near the inside ring of the data side of the DVD, it is:

(E4107) E3504

it's weird because if it is region 3, it wouldn't have played on that Bose player since that only plays r1's. also if it was burned/bootlegged, wouldn't it play on the Toshiba too since it reads DVD-r/rws?

Sounds suspicious, but I was talking about at the bottom of the back cover it says what region it is. Your picture is somewhat out of focus, and I couldn't tell if it says 1 or 3.

I would think if it was a region 3 DVD that the Toshiba would have told you there was a region violation and not just an error.

I would have to look at my copy when I get home. It sounds right now like you have a bootleg that you'll never be able to prove is a bootleg.

I assume you got it off of ebay. What is the seller's username?

Are you asking this question because you bought it from a private party on ebay or online somewhere and not from a retail (online or B&M) establishment? I presume this is the reason you're asking, right?

Most of the Disney DVDs in my collection have the "grainy" type printing on the disc, but I didn't check them all because as soon as I got to Sleeping Beauty, I stopped. Both SB discs have a matte finish (smooth and dull appearance) like you describe your L&T disc has. My SB came from a Disney store so I know it's legit. Got my Little Mermaid DVD as part of a deal with buying SB. The LM disc has the "grainy" printing. Both of these DVDs have "glossy" inserts. BTW, I just noticed my 3 Lives of Thomasina DVD also has a matte finish, although the insert doesn't appear as glossy as the others.

gbub asked about the color and the region code. If the play side of the disk is anything other than silver, then it's definitely a boot. If it's silver and says region 3, then it shouldn't play, unless you have a "region-free" player. If it's silver, says region 3 and does play, then you probably have a boot made by an organized crime pirating operation. The disc was stamped like legit discs and not burned. I doubt a legit region 3 disc would have everything (DVD, insert, cover) printed entirely in english.

If it says region 1, then it's legit. Or the best boot ever made. Unless you can compare it side by side to a copy you know is legit, you'll have to live with a bit of doubt.

Is there a Blockbuster or other DVD rental place in your area? If they still have it for rent, you could compare it to their discs.

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISA...=STRK:MEWN:SID

I appreciate everyones help, can't thank everyone enough.

Jon 2: yes I did get this off ebay, and it might be a really good boot. since you said if it is any color other than silver than its questionable, yes it is gold.

anyone have advice on my next step?
I don't really care about a refund, my girlfriend paid for more than half of it, so I will pay her back this weekend. should I contact Disney/ebay?

Legit DVDs are often light gold color especially when they're dual-layered. Dual-layered burners are already reasonably priced, but I don't know what the media looks like. You said it was gold so I wouldn't immediately conclude it's a bootleg just because it's not silver.

The seller you bought it from has feedback dating back only about a week. Interestingly 2/3 of it is from people he's bought stuff from. Seems possible he's a re-seller and doesn't really know what he's selling.

Anyways, one more time...is the region number on the back bottom a 1 or 3?

the number on the back is 1 :) sorry

yup the disc is gold, everyone else who chimed in on this thread, what color are your discs?

"Homemade" boots would be burned DVDRs, but bootleg discs that were actually pressed in a manufacturing plant (as opposed to burned on a computer) are certainly possible as well. They could be silver or gold.

I had a copy of this and sold it a few years ago. I remember mine having more of a gold colored tinge to it. Looking at your pics it looks to be an original.

Is it that bad these days?

Iv got mine in front of me-

what do you wanna know??

Yep. There are many plants in parts of Asia that press legitimate DVDs during normal business hours and do some "unofficial" work during the evenings (especially in countries that don't respect copyright laws too well, ie. China, Thailand, etc) Not sure if this happens anywhere in the US though.

1. the texture look of the DVD disc art itself. mine seems to be smooth, and dull looking, compared to my Snow White and Beauty and the Beast DVDs they have kind of a grainy look and feel to them.

2. What color is the data side of the disc.


when I first got the DVD it was in a BLACK case, with the Lady and the Tramp seal on the top of the DVD. I wasn't too sure what was going on with that. I emailed the seller right away, giving him a chance to explain himself before I leave any kind of feedback/contact ebay/paypal

1,Lady and the tramp compared to ,Snow White,The little Mermaid and 101 Dalmations....

instead of feeling the Texture im using light,on SW disk 1 it`s smoother,disk 2 more Grainy...101 about the same,LM also about the same...

Data side of Lady is defiantly same color as SW disk 1,disk 2 on SW LOOKS A TAD MORE SILVER...color of print on L&T is as bright as all of them..

my Lady and the Tramp is in a White case!!!

on your disk,


is the candle 2 colored,

yellow outside and orange inside?

i can`t tell from your pics.

id double check your case color?

yes. on the front cover it is orange inside, and yellow/white-ish on the outside.

also I just looked at my Beauty and the Beast and Snow White DVDs which I bought sealed at The Wherehouse (I think FYE might own this company)

but Beauty and the Beast Disc 1, is a gold tint, while it's 2nd disc is silver. the same with my snow white dvds.

does this rule out that fact that this Lady and The Tramp gold tint to the DVD may or may NOT be a bootleg.

haha damn disney dvds :)

Disney never produced limited edition dvds in black cases, only white.

I know this. Which is why I immediately sent an email for the seller to explain himself before I figure out my next move.

if you have a black case?

id thing it might be a boot!

It is definitely an asian copy.

Thanks for the help. haha I've said a whole ton, but I do appreciate everyone helping me out.

I'm sure if the seller values his feedback and his ass in general he'll reply to my email soon. If not does anyone, or can anyone give me some links to some help pages on ebay on who to contact to report sellers/get my money back. I paid through paypal as well.

I'm afraid it is a bootleg...

1. Looking at mine, the cover and insert appear darker than yours, and it looks like I can see dots in the images, which aren't there in the original (it could be the camera, though.) The insert and cover are also matte, and it appears that they are glossier in the pics.

2. My disc also looks darker, with the blues almost navy blue to indigo. The texture is rough, with different colors having a slightly different texture (the white apron is almost smooth.) The Disney DVD logo is between the two chef's aprons, so that looks correct. I also have numbers on the inside ring, which are (E4107) E3504, and then a smaller line which says IFPI LI27 and then a barcode. The disc is silver, with no hint of gold in it.

3. The seller has 2 auctions for The Jungle Book, one of them he said all discs are sealed, the other one he said all are unsealed, and he said they are new discs on all auctions. He is selling multiple copies of a bunch of Limited Issue Disney discs, as well as "Presale" discs like Passion of the Christ, etc. Many of his other auctions have said new discs, but unsealed...

Was this sealed? If so, it should have been in a white case, with the standard DVD sticker on the top, and another insert about a free DVD mail-in offer.

It sounds like your copy is a professionally done bootleg made at a pressing factory, instead of the legit version.

little fuzzy:

-it was sealed, had the lady and the tramp seal on top of the DVD. it came in a BLACK case which made it fishy. It didn't have an insert for a free DVD.

-the DVD itself has the same numbers/barcode you listed on/near the inside ring of the DVD itself

is it possible he bought a bootleg and didn't know? I got an email from him today saying he bought it when it was in stores and there were mostly white but some black cases. said the store owner said disney made some of both. I dont believe this. I also told him I'm not sure what I am going to do next since getting a refund seems long and tedious. any help would be appreciated

i don`t think Disney made black cases,and i also don`t think he purchased them in a store...

get a refund as a boot is well,it`s a boot:(

I paid through paypal, and got it off ebay. I've never had to deal with this before, what do I do next? any links would help.

I always heard disc color was a way to tell because pressed discs were only silver and any other color indicated a burned disc.

But… after reading about your gold colored B&B disc and checking my own 2 disc sets, that's not true. My B&B set has two colors, but disc 1 is silver and disc 2 is gold. My disc 1 also has a smooth, dull matte finish, while disc 2 has a grainy appearance. ?????

I checked all my other Disney 2 disc sets and found a similar variety of mixed silver and gold discs. In some sets both discs were silver and in one set both discs were gold.

Case color is not certain either. I've seen boxes of DVDs of a single Disney title in retail establishments and some cases were white and some were black.

However, judging from the source you got it from, in all likelyhood your L&T DVD is a boot. Although the only you'll be able to tell for certain is to do a direct, side-by-side comparison to a disc you know is legit. If you can do that, check for substantial differences in the layout and color of the art. Subtle color differences can be the result of the printing process. Sure signs of a boot are differences in the size, position and/or color of a logo or trademark.

Just to follow up. I'd agree with everybody on it being a bootleg PROBABLY. I can say I got this DVD when it was first issued and it couldn't be a bootleg. The DVD disc artwork itself doesn't look "faded" and has a "textured" appearance (like it was sprayed on). Confirm for yourself though, besides the backgound color and whites, all of the colors have a cross-hatched appearance

Furthermore it is silver and by checking though a program it is a single layer DVD. Finally if it was sealed it should have been in a white case.

The odd thing on all of this though is some of the corresponding numbers. Mine also has E3504 (and nothing else) but opposite that it says C3.2 150707-04. There is no barcode but a more inner ring says Nimbus/CA. In incredibly minute type there is IFPI L893 just before the C3.2.

So if they went through all the trouble of making such a convincing double, why were they so stupid as to stick it in a black case (if not just to further convince us)? If not that it gave a disc error in your Toshiba, I would have suggested just accepting it. If the collective DVD mind power here can hardly tell the difference, how will you convince anyone else it's a bootleg?

I never had to deal with this either, but keep us informed what you decide.

Wow, if that is a bootleg its very hard to tell. Comparing mine to yours the only differnce I could see is that the disc art is lighter on yours than mine.