Wow, a Friday 13th box set sounds good to me. I will certainly pick this up.

Explain then why Dont Look Now from 1973 was uncut? This is also a Paramount film. A mix up by them I am sure seeing as the box still says R.

Why is it that movies like Mountain of the Cannibal God (Has anyone ever heard of this?) have been released uncut.

Why is it movies like April Fools Day and My Bloody Valentine (both known to still exist for a fact in their uncut form) have not been released uncut when they should have been on their first release?

15 years is nothing. There were scenes found from Frankeinstein. That movie is sure a lot older than 15 years. Try about 70.

You made a good point. If it happened with another movie then that must mean it WILL happen with EVERY movie.

On the other hand, are we supposed to be stupid enough to believe that all 8 F13 movies have had all of their cut scenes destroyed?

The fans petitioned and wrote letters leading to a boxed set that only seems to please the casual fan who had nothing to do with any of that. I don't really agree with calling for a boycott of Paramount or the boxed set, simply because it won't do any good. But that doesn't make the situation suck any less. But hey, eveyone who likes a Friday movie or two and thinks it would be neat-o to have them all in an affordable set, enjoy!

That may very well be the plan and the reason they're not on the set.

It's true about Part 1. Thats a 100% fact. Still, no Part 1 uncut even though it exists everywhere else in the world. Not the number #1 priority on my most wanted uncut versions. Just proving a point.

I would not boycott Paramount products in general (they would laugh at such a statement), but I am still very disappointed with this set and will not be purchasing it.

I would still purchase the sets they actually do good on. Word has it they will actually do a good job on their future I Love Lucy sets after that shameful display of the first season. If so, I will buy the following seasons.

But, for rip-off's like the original Star Trek series ($250 per season for barebones), I will definately pass on.

I always thought the "733+" spelling was "ghey."

Because Nicholas Roeg is a foreign director who made the film with a foreign sensibility (I'd assume some [if not all] foreign money as well) and then delivered it uncut to an American distributor who cut it (very, very mildly, I might point out) without Roeg's participation. I believe the same thing happened to 'Walkabout', which Criterion restored.

Bit different from a series of films developed and produced under the American studio system; the country of origin makes a difference inasmuch as if the American studio that made it releases it at an R, why would any other country's studio want to put extra money into fixing the rest of the footage back in?

Again, the foreign question. There is an "original" version they can refer to. Beyond that, it's Anchor Bay. If Anchor Bay were putting out the Friday the 13th box, I guarantee it'd be better.

But, out of curiosity, what possible reason would you have to cite a movie that you think nobody's even heard of, let alone seen? I mean, if nobody's seen it, it can't be serving much evidence, so it seems like you're trying (really badly; it's not *that* obscure) to seem like you're some guru of film. I doubt that's what you're doing, which is why I'm curious ... what's the point of citing a movie that you don't think anybody's remotely familiar with?

A general comment on the thread - everybody's attacking this guy saying "Nothing's confirmed yet!" ... but wasn't the whole "two movies a disc" thing officially said? (If nothing else; I thought they had confirmed that it wouldn't be the special edition of #1 which is available world wide, but I'm not sure of that.) 'Cause, if I were a fan, between the lack of new footage and the two movies a disc thing, I'd be pissed.

Good thing I'm not.

Well, it's a given that the R1 boxed set version of part one wouldn't have the same features as the overseas simply because it's a different company. Flip discs were never mentioned til news recently leaked. With the cheap-o replacement artwork given for parts 5-8, fans were hoping to have original artwork in the set, plus there's a possible quality issue but I haven't been convinced one way or another on that yet.
I don't think the poster was trying to sound like a film guru, the point is there's so many less popular films that get great treatment. Hundreds could be named.

Im acting like a Guru of film because I made some comments, asked some questions, and want to know more regarding a product? Thats just the dumbest thing I have heard today. If thats the case, so is everyone on this forum.

This is a film site for god sakes. Not a church session. These are the forums to discuss things like this.

Dont take this the wrong way. I am not trying to put anyone down. I never thought anyone in a million years would be insulted over a Mountain of the Cannibal God comment that wasnt set out to hurt anyones feelings to begin with.

Not like I woke up this morning and said lets insult the great and mighty ThatGuamGuy. Technically, I dont know you and could care less about you. Why would I go out of my way to insult your choice in film?

It is an example. Most mainstream folks in general if you ask them will have some clue to what you are talking about when you mention F13, Halloween, Elm Street, Childs Play etc.

Try to discuss Mountain of the Cannibal God with 9 out of 10 in the mainstream and they will give you blank stares and have no clue what you are talking about.

Thats all I meant. Why is it horror film series that most know and that fans demand get the short end of the stick, but movies most people in general know nothing about being treated so much better?

Not saying they shouldnt. Just saying that the horror series that are now a member of pop culture (like it or not) shouldnt be treated in such a poor way.

This set is BS...after they made such a big deal of this, why wood they go all cheap on us??

Heres a theory that I just came up with... Paramount has found all the deleted/alternate footage along with uncut prints, and behind-the-scenes footage and everything else they promised us. Only they realized that next generation DVD's are only 5 years or so away (Blue Ray), so they have decided to release this set on the regular DVD format, and then in 2008/2009 when Blue Ray comes out it will "Oh, look at what we found when we where cleaning the valt!"

Edit. double

I wasn't going to pick up this set, but after reading this thread, I think I will now.

Thanks, zombie!

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Brain Stew,

I agree about Elm Street. The 2 disc Laserdisc edition of Nightmare on Elm Street for the mid 90's is worlds better than the DVD. Uncut film, 30 minutes of deleted scenes, lots of Wes Craven involvment, etc.

When the Elm Street set was released on DVD, DVD was still a fairly new format in 1999. One cant argue that for 1999, the Elm Street box was one of the very best sets (region 1) available at the time. If it were to come out now in 2004, it would be probably be a lot better.

The Elm Streets are also not known for the trims. The Fridays on the other hand are like different movies all together with their very extensive trims (Only 15-20% remains in most, especially the later films), alternate endings, etc.

Here is a letter from Don May Jr.

He was responsible for going through New Lines vaults during the Laserdisc release (I think it was for the Laserdisc release. If this is wrong, feel free to correct this.) and was successful in doing so.

http://www.mhvf.net/forum/scifihorr.../124258102.html

"I REALLY wanted to do these the right way and talked to a few people at Paramount and a couple other folks (non-Paramount) who were involved in this and NOTHING came of it.
I offered to look for materials, compile stuff for the set, etc. I even offered to head into the Paramount vaults (like I did with the NIGHTMARE ON ELM STREET films, where I found the unused footage, outtakes and extra scenes after spending 4 days digging through film cans and paperwork references). I told them I'd love to do it... and never heard anything back from them at all.

To actually not have the ability to at least release the COMPLETE version of the original film, when DVDs of the complete version do exist on DVD in other countries, is baffling.

I understand all this info is unconfirmed, but this upsets me greatly as I offered to do everything in my power to help with this set and was basically ignored."
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in regards to the Nightmare on Elm Street films the DVD Box Set slips up and doens't include the uncut unrated version of Nightmare On Elm Street: The Dream Child which was and is available on VHS only.


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Friday the 13th Part 1 exists in every other region but region 1 Uncut. Region 2-4 all have DVD's of it out already.

Paramount has 35MM prints along with Warner Brothers who has them in all other regions.

Paramounts Friday 1 DVD print has a scene which is not in the VHS print (put in by pure accident). This shows right there that they keep the trims.

Still, no Part 1 uncut. No excuse for that. Cant say that footage is gone. Everyone knows it is not.

Paramount themselves said they were looking to release the series uncut (Martin Blythe of Paramount said this at HTF last year).

Paramount started all of this. No one else.

Warner Brothers is just a much better company for film restoration. They actually do it.

Thats why Friday 1 is uncut in regions 2-4.

Unfortuantely, Warners does not own 2-8 overseas. Paramount still does. If Warners did, they would all have been uncut overseas to begin with and released already.

If Paramount hates the movies so much (if they are so ashamed), they should just sell the rights from 2-8 to Warner Brothers, New Line, MGM, or Anchor Bay. Warner Brothers, New Line, and Anchor Bay all showed interest in releasing the films uncut. They just unfortunately dont own the rights.

Warner Brothers would have released all overseas uncut but dont have rights.

Anchor Bay offered to look for the uncut footage in the vaults and were turned down for whatever reason.

Like it or not, this series along with Elm Street have both earned a place in horror culture of the past. Neither of these series or characters will even be fully forgotten.

80-85% of movies that exist have not achieved this. This goes for horror and every other genre.
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Warners released these uncut in other regions because the MPAA ratings is basically null outside the US, the rating is for US domestic theatrical distribution of the film and wouldn't apply for other countries. Unfortunately, studios once a film is cut to appease the ratings board usually makes the cut print the de facto export version of the film regardless of other countries Film Censorship boards. Hence the rest of the series (after Part 1) never appearing uncut outside the US.


Paramount are hypocrites when it comes to releasing some movies in their unrated European versions, two in particular Sliver and Jade were available in uncut form on VHS, yet the DVD's were the US R-rated version. Exactly what is the stance with Paramount and unrated (NC-17 equvalent) films, they probably unknowingly transfered the unrated Euro-cut of 'Don't Look Now' and that's great, but the reluctancy to sell patently adullt themed movies is frustrating to say the least.

And where is our wonderful Mr. Blythe? It seems the only time he will show up is when people are kissing his butt and when he has nothing constructive to say.

I love Jade but can't bring myself to "upgrade" from the unrated VHS to the R-rated DVD at any price. Sliver hasn't had a DVD release yet... I'm sure when the day comes it will be barebones/R rated, but Paramount could do something interesting with it if they want since there was an alternate ending. But since Sliver was a theatrical bomb with no fan base you can't expect anything.

Add Hellraiser 3 to the short list of uncut/unrated Paramount VHS releases. Can anyone find any others?

Thief of Hearts also got an 'unrated international version' VHS release back in the day. I have not seen the dvd. So no word on whether it is the R rated version or another 'accident' uncut release ala Don't Look Now. I am pretty sure it is the R version though.

Well that's certainly not going to bring him running to the forum.

Besides, he's probably under all kinds of liability restraints that keeps him from ever posting anything too juicy.

I know Mr. Blythe works for Paramount, but in what capacity? He seems woefully uninformed regarding even major annoucements from Paramount's PR dept.

The last I heard of him on here he was claiming that Lowry wasn't working on transfers of the Godfather films, even though Lowry uses a piece of the Godfather as a demo and there are interviews with him regarding the cleanup.

Oh for those using Disney as an 'example' of releasing 'unrated' dvds now. Sadly that is not the case. They may be releasing 'uncut' versions on dvd soon,but they are NOT 'unrated'.

If you check out the MPAA ratings site filmratings.com,you will see that Bad Santa,Trainspotting & Hardware(still yet to be released) have all been rated R in their uncut form. Miramax the slimy bastards are lieing to the public when they say the films are 'unrated'.


So hopefully Warner may be the brave major studio to come through with a true unrated or NC-17 release. They better release Eyes Wide Shut uncut & unrated if they have to...+ other films as well.

After this debacle, I wouldn't be surprised if he was let go.

But in all due respect, he may have meant well with his initial comments about this set. Who knows what may have transpired over at Paramount since then. Budget cuts, someone higher up getting involved and putting a halt to it all, or something else we have no idea about - politics, budgets, board meetings, back-stabbing. It all goes on in big corporations and one bad apple with a lot of power can nix everyone else's good intentions. So Mr. Blythe may end up being the undeserved whipping boy for this whole travesty, while the real scoundrels remain hidden behind-the-scenes. It's sad - almost as sad as this "special edition" set will be.

Jeff you may be right.