Because it is a way for you to NOT know her name in the first film. All you know of her is her alias.. THE BRIDE. it's a sort of Man with No Name thing. She doesn't have a name for you yet just like you don't see bills face. the warrior and the villain are still in a sense masked from each other. Besides that, he drops the line KIDDO in the opening scene which is mistaken for any other pet name.

It works on a level and I see what he was trying to do.

I understand that Blockbuster doesn't rent the UNRATED version of Caligula, as well as many other titles that can easily be considered softcore pornography.

I hope you're not referring to the unrated Caligula as "softcore". You have seen it, right?

I understand that . . . but it loses it effectiveness (and point) to turn around and throw the name about freely later on. It would have been more effective and better character development if NONE of the characters had known the real names of their cohorts. Then it would have really punctuated *BEEP*'s desire for revenge and the lengths at which she had to go to. As it stands, she whipped out the Yellow Pages and went on a killing spree.

Granted, I haven't seen the second half yet, so maybe there is some great revealing plot point that justifies this. However, merely bleeping her name out was done for laughs and to turn heads, and in that case it worked! That or to make us think that she is a relative of R2-D2.

I still am not impressed with Tarantino on the artistic level that people place him on. I don't dislike Tarantino like I do some other false masters, but he has yet to justify the glory that many give him. He uses common gimmicks for poor reasons. I realize that Kill Bill is an homage to many styles of cinema, but at some point the man needs to realize when, where, and why to use an homage. The whole black and white thing was lame, it was not done as an homage or to further the story. Just tone down the damn violence and actually tell me a story!

Her name isn't "thrown about" until the final chapter if I recall. It's still bleeped in the first part of vol. 2.

Blast from the past!

It's mentioned for the first time in "Elle and I."

Okay, so the last 2 chapters.. I was close.

This ain't horseshoes, bub. "Close" don't mean jack. You're either "Right," or as in your case, you're "Wrong."

and it's at that important junction that we get the scene of her as a kid revealing her name. You might be looking at it as fairly the mid point of the movie, but if you put the two movies together, the name is held off till the last 3/4's of the film. A rather good way to lay it down on what exactly her name is. Perhaps the spoilers killed it for you, but I am assuming the average non internet spoiled viewer got that sort of surprise by finally realizing her name.

You're right, it wasn't done as an homage or to further the story. It was done to avoid an NC-17 rating. In other countries almost all of the black and white shots are in color.

Tarantino had two choices: either edit a lot of shots out, or leave them and put them in black and white. I for one far prefer the way he chose to handle it.

In "Kill Bill" Tarantino told one of the most entertaining stories I've seen in a movie in a long time. I'm glad he didn't tone down what is inherrently a violent story just to appease the MPAA.

It's clear you just don't like Tarantino's style of filmmaking, which is fine. But why continuously come into threads about his movies and crap in them?

Not true... The "Crazy 88" fight was shown completely in color only in the Japanese version, and perhaps also in Hong Kong (if I recall correctly).

Actually, the R3 Kill Bill DVD does contain a major portion of the Crazy 88 in black-and-white. However, there is significantly more color scenes and carnage.

Yes it is true. I wrote "other" countries. I didn't write ALL other countries.

Too bad!

actually you can kind of tell her name over the bleep, the first and last letters are heard. and when she shows her passport, if you freeze frame it, you can see what it is also in vol 1.

OK, so I feel kinda stupid now, but not TOO stupid ; )

I wouldn't have thought it was a glitch except that I've seen/heard similar ACTUAL glitches on other DVDs (mostly ex-rentals) that, when exchanged for a new version, didn't have the "bleep".

Thanks for everyone's reply.

Thanks for the real amusing thread, kids (or should I say, "kiddos"?).

I realize that this whole "bleeping" thing will probably be a confusing issue for many uninitiated viewers, but I have to admit that I have never heard of a DVD glitch that involves dialogue being covered with a loud "BEEP". Audio dropouts, yes, but a BEEP, never.

I actually saw the Uncut Crazy 88 scene, and didn't like that cut that much. However, I did like the colors, it shows much much clearer what's going on, and it's crazier then the B&W.

But again, I didn't like that cut, some useless shots.

No way - That's what R2D2 calls itself.


On point though. This whole 'beeping' out her name is rather pointless and annoying. If Quintin didn't want her name known until the second half then how about writing the script that way!?

Exactly what obscure Kung Fu film is it where they beep out the characters name anyway?

I totally understand that. I guess I would have rathered have had it the other way because it felt like a cheesy gimmick to me.

So far, and I have admitted to not seeing the second half yet, the story isn't that entertaining. Just sticking to Tarantino's work alone Jackie Brown was far more entertaining (which is probably due to it being based off an Elmore Leonard novel and not QT's original work). I'll agree with you as far as not toning it down "to appease the MPAA" (whom I personally believe to be a bunch of brain dead jackasses) however, I just wish he would focus more on the storytelling as opposed to shock/schlock violence . . . continued after next quote . . .

. . . You do have a point. I am not trying to crap, I am trying to debate the artistic merits of a filmmaker. If you feel that I am crapping, I apologize. There are many aspects of Tarantino's filmmaking that I do admire and I keep watching his work trying to find that piece that I fully enjoy. I feel that he could be a master story teller with grand cinematic vision who has an undeniable love of his craft, particularly the under-appreciated aspects, but is sidetracked with a juvenile fascination with corny comic book gore and violence that unfortunately degrade the body of work as a whole.

Thank you! It really seems to me to show a knack for show but a generally lazy attitude for the thought process (as does the whole black and white thing). "Hmm, I could put some effort into re-writing this to make it work . . . or I could just do a dog and pony show!"

Oh my, this thread is getting twisted . . . remember the scene in Office Space where Jennifer Aniston is being lectured on flair . . . that's what we have here.

A character's name is now considered a spoiler? How, exactly, is that possible?

Seriously, I don't see how knowing/not knowing the name impacts the enjoyment of the movie one way or the other. It has zero impact on the plot.

Maybe if you watch the movies in one shot, there will be impact.