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Old 12-29-03 | 01:19 AM
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Originally posted by dryars
First off I have read Romeo and Juliet.
Good for you! Then you would see how Underworld is, quite obviously, directly based on it, right?
Second I have seen the Movie.
Ah, so you definitely know that this film is based on Shakespeare's plot, about star-cross'd lovers whose respective backgrounds are at odds!
Third, the person opposite to Kate Beckensdale
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is not a Werewolf, and although he becomes some kind of hybrid vampire/werewolf, they fall in love with each other when he was HUMAN!
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Um. Okay, well, I suppose you didn't understand. Sorry. Well, nothing a rewatch won't fix for you. DVD is out soon.
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Michael is the last descendant of Corvinus. He is a latent 'Lycan' who has never morphed into a werewold state. As he is descended from Corvinus, the forefather of vampires and werewolves, his blood will be ideal for fusing the two creatures into one.


Also the grand plot of the movie did not revolve around those two and their intimacy. It was infact a subplot.
The central story is about Selene & Michael. The background of this is, of course, the conspiracy. Far too little time is spent developing either character, however, so it's understood that you would make such a mistake.
I suggest you rewatch the damn movie before you provide anymore misleading information.
I didn't mislead anyone, and ooh, isn't someone getting a little testy over nothing.

So in acutality DonnachaOne, YOU DID NOT SEE THE MOVIE.
Where is "acutality"? Nebraska? Well, you're right, I've never been to Acutality, so I'VE NEVER SEEN THE MOVIE THERE. I capitalized, as it makes my statement so much better and credible.

I have seen the film, young man/woman; As I work at a movie theater, we will all discuss the movies at length, and this film was well analyzed. If you have another theory to present, I suggest you present it. Until then, do not waste my and other people's time by inciting petty arguments over a "vampires and werewolves ass-kicking OMG!!11!!" movie. This is a forum about the DVD, not the film; if you must quibble, take your argument there.

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Old 12-29-03 | 09:54 AM
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Old 12-29-03 | 01:14 PM
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Good for you! Then you would see how Underworld is, quite obviously, directly based on it, right?


Lets see, the overall plot in Romeo and Juliet involve 2 children from 2 oppossing families that fall in love, and end their lives because both parties do not agree with their relationship.

In the movie Underworld
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Selene is a vampire(thats for sure). Michael on the otherhand is human, he does not become a werewolf until the end, nor is he treated nicely by the lycan early on. In fact throughout most of the movie, he is a neutral party, by which both vampires and lycan have an interest in him. One side wants to kill him(vampires), the other wants help him(lycan).Now with that said, the entire plot of Underworld completely focuses around the fact that the Lycan are trying to get a sample of his blood, which is the key for their survival.


Ah, so you definitely know that this film is based on Shakespeare's plot, about star-cross'd lovers whose respective backgrounds are at odds!
So with that kind of reasoning, anytime there are a pair of "star-cross'd" lovers in a movie, that movie's plot must have came from a Shakespeare play correct? Lets try and see how Romeo and Juliet compare to Michael and Selene.

- R&J were both in love. So were M&S. This I agree with.
- R&J came from opposing families.
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Selene was a vampire. Michael was a human, whom eventually turned into a vampire/lycan hybrid. Michael was even referred to as the "human" on many occaisons throughout the movie. Michael was not aware of his heritage until much later into the movie. So while Selene was on one opposing side, Michael was not (at least until the end). When comparing Michael to Romeo, Romeo already belonged to a family(the Montagues), whose sworn enemies were the Capulets. Michael however, was not part of the lycan from the start. He did not have a feud with the vampires, he was simply a normal person who fell into the ongiong conflict.
. I do not agree that
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Michael represented any single side until the end of the movie.

- R&J both died. Romeo killed himself because he thought Juliet was dead. When Juliet awoke from her sleep, she saw Romeo dead and decided to end her own life. In Underworld
Spoiler:
Selene and Michael are very much alive at the end.

- After the two deaths, both houses set aside their differences and agreed to end their feud in memory of their children. In Underworld
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The status of the feud could still be ongoing, but we are never told. We only know from what Selene tells us at the end, how she will be hunted down by the vampires for her betrayal. Who knows what else will happen, but only the inevitable sequel will tell.



The central story is about Selene & Michael. The background of this is, of course, the conspiracy. Far too little time is spent developing either character, however, so it's understood that you would make such a mistake.
If you are referring to Selene & Michael as lovers, then you are wrong. If you are talking about Selene & Michael in general then you are partialy correct. The central story focuses on Michael. Who is he? Where did be come from(geneology)? What is his importance in the film? etc... All events occur because of him. The entire story of the movie revolves around Michael.

I didn't mislead anyone, and ooh, isn't someone getting a little testy over nothing.
Well my apologies if I offended you, however your opening line to my first reply wasn't exactly friendly either.

Where is "acutality"? Nebraska?
So to belittle people when they make a spelling mistake, somehow makes you feel superior? To add comments like that just tells people that you are infact an ass.

I have seen the film, young man/woman; As I work at a movie theater, we will all discuss the movies at length, and this film was well analyzed. If you have another theory to present, I suggest you present it. Until then, do not waste my and other people's time by inciting petty arguments over a "vampires and werewolves ass-kicking OMG!!11!!" movie. This is a forum about the DVD, not the film; if you must quibble, take your argument there. [/B]
Well I never had theory of my own, I never have claimed to have had one, nor do I want to even bother coming up with one. All I know is, that it isn't Romeo and Juliet.

I don't know where you got the idea of "vampires and werewolves ass-kicking OMG!!11!!". I never once remotely made a comment like that. Since I disagreed with your R&J theory, I'm automatically put into that category of people who thought the movie was about "vampires and werewolves ass-kicking OMG!!11!!"?

I realize that this is a forum about the DVD, but I was answering that guys question:
Originally posted by Isamu

can someone gimmie a short description of what this movie's about?
Oh one last thing. Since you work in a movie theatre, it must make you such an expert in all aspects of cinema right? For All I know you could be a janitor at some AMC. Hey look at it this way. If you are a janitor working in a movie theatre, you are no more of an expert than a person watching a movie. The only difference is that at the end of the day, it's their sh*t you end up dealing with.

Anyways I could care-less if you reply to this anymore. I won't even bother spending anymore time reading this thread.

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Old 12-29-03 | 01:41 PM
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the R&J comparison is thanks to the marketing department. Anyone who thinks the movie resembles is just basing their review on the trailer. The only way I see the R&J angle of this film is in the 2 minute preview.
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Old 12-29-03 | 02:23 PM
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I actually thought Underworld was a decent film, it wasn't great, not by any stretch of the imagination...I don't critique these types of films that harshly (I love popcorn films) and I'm sure people who hate it probably have comparably bad films currently in their library.

I will purchase Underworld as I think it's a fun film with replay value.
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Old 12-29-03 | 02:41 PM
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Underworld is an ok movie of the underground werewolf and vampire scene. I was a werewolf for a couple months back in the mid-90s and there are some inconsistencies... But overall, its an ok movie. Recommended for those who are interested in taking a peak into the other world...
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Old 12-29-03 | 02:41 PM
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Excuse me, I meant there are some inconsistencies within the movie...
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Old 12-29-03 | 03:16 PM
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Originally posted by Gatsby
I actually thought Underworld was a decent film, it wasn't great, not by any stretch of the imagination...I don't critique these types of films that harshly (I love popcorn films) and I'm sure people who hate it probably have comparably bad films currently in their library.

I will purchase Underworld as I think it's a fun film with replay value.
I was hoping Underworld was going to be a "popcorn film" -- but I felt that it took itself way too seriously to be any fun.
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Old 12-29-03 | 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by jayson1017
Underworld is an ok movie of the underground werewolf and vampire scene. I was a werewolf for a couple months back in the mid-90s and there are some inconsistencies... But overall, its an ok movie. Recommended for those who are interested in taking a peak into the other world...
Could you explain the "I was a werewolf for a couple months back in the mid-90s" to me : )? I lost you there.
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Old 12-29-03 | 04:43 PM
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I am looking to buy a multimedia rack. But $260 is out of my price range. I was looking to spend about $80 to $100. Any suggestions?
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Old 12-30-03 | 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by Gatsby
Could you explain the "I was a werewolf for a couple months back in the mid-90s" to me : )? I lost you there.
I wonder if he meant TeenWolf? Or was that not made in the 90's?
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Old 12-30-03 | 02:19 PM
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I was hoping Underworld was going to be a "popcorn film" -- but I felt that it took itself way too seriously to be any fun.
That’s exactly why UNDERWORLD should be appreciated! The film has many problems, but why should it have jokes?

Because it took itself so seriously, I found it to be a lot more involving than it had any right to be. Not every film needs humor or ironic commenting - a message Hollywood needs to understand more clearly.
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Old 12-30-03 | 02:36 PM
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No, I actually was a werewolf back in the mid-90s during my first year in college. I didn't shave nor cut my hair, so I became were hairy. So after a couple months, I turned into a werewolf. It was only when internship interviews came up that I reverted back to becoming a human.
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I really wish you guys would have used spoiler space for the Romeo and Juliet recap. I haven't seen that DVD yet.

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sorry I was quoting the book.. never seen the movie either.
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Old 12-31-03 | 08:34 AM
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Here is a link to an actual review of the DVD
http://www.dvdreview.com/fullreviews/underworld.shtml

Expect to see more reviews available in the next week or so. Personally, I loved this movie.

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Old 12-31-03 | 09:48 AM
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Hmmm.. no one seems to have commented on my werewolf past.
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At times it was painful.
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And at times it was fun.
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Old 12-31-03 | 09:56 AM
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And at times it was spamming the thread....

I personally can not wait to see this movie, especially after this thread.
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Old 12-31-03 | 11:31 AM
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whoa... sorry about spamming. I just wanted... a friend... (and someone to respond to my posts)
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Old 01-01-04 | 03:25 AM
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The poor person's Boltz: Atlantic.

http://www.avstreet.com/4301-03.html

I think they're quite nice.
I have an Atlantic double rack. It looks great but I hate those thin supporting rods. They can put some real badidentations on cardboard based DVD casing (digipacks and boxsets). Now I only put plastic keepcases on it.
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Old 01-03-04 | 12:25 AM
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Considering the review at http://www.dvdreview.com/fullreviews/underworld.shtml, it sounds like a pretty solid disc. There may not be a superbit after all...

I'm surprised that there are no more reviews online. Is Columbia slow to send them out this close to New year's? Or are they putting on a review hold, like Paramount?

ps: Dryars - no-one here is interested in ignorant replies, neither from you nor me... I'm sorry if you didn't see where I was being facetious and where I was not. I mean you no disrespect.
If you wish to continue the debate - and I hope the matter's been resolved - e-mail me. Let's keep the rude comments (there's quite a few of us cinema workers on this site, y'know) to a minimum.
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I have an Atlantic double rack. It looks great but I hate those thin supporting rods. They can put some real badidentations on cardboard based DVD casing (digipacks and boxsets). Now I only put plastic keepcases on it.
Do you put bricks on top of your DVDs to weight them down or something? I haven't had any such problem.
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Bricks? thats interesting...
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