Matrix Revolutions before Christmas... (answer: no)
11-11-03 | 05:04 PM
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Remember when fox tried to pull this same thing with From Justin to kelly? theater owners were pissed. No way this will happen without a fight.
11-11-03 | 05:09 PM
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This is BS. The Justin to Kelly thing is very important to note. The theater owners were piessed when they tried to put that out right away. Now, Revolutions is a huge movie. They'd be REALLY pissed. Another thing, where is this major movie flop they are talking about? Yes, it didn't make as much as Reloaded in the United States. But it did make more EVERYWHERE else in the world than the opening of Reloaded. Not to mention...what dropoffs? The movie has been in release for ONE weekend. What, it didn't make enough money on monday? I just don't buy this report. Warner Brothers is not going to lose a lot of money on this movie, if any at all. Yes, word of mouth ain't that strong. But a knee-jerk reaction like this just doesn't make any sense. Package the DVD only with a three movie boxset? When the first two movies are owned by many many DVD owners? That I just would not believe.
11-11-03 | 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by drmoze
darq, having reading comprehension problems? Or is the whole message just too difficult for you to grasp?
1) The movie opened big, but it has dropped off fast, faster than expected, with bad word-of-mouth. It doesn't matter what MR made in the first week or month. What matters to the studio is how to make the most *additional* money with the home release market. It sounds like they'll try to release it soon, to catch the holiday rush and also before the negative buzz has largely killed the demand for it.
2) Yes, everyone has the Matrix on DVD already. (And if not, it's something like $7 at BB!) *BUT* (again, reasoning ability is important here), if they only sell it as a boxed set, they can make more $$$ by double-dipping the first 2 releases with each sale. And, to a degree, by double-dipping the first for those (like me) who saw Reloaded but haven't bought it yet. As opposed to releasing it just as a single disc, of course.
3) I think that all Matrix fans who want all three movies will buy up the box set when released (it's also holiday time, remember?) rather than wait for a possible future 'better' release.
Bottom line is, the movie had a lot of prerelease buzz that died down quickly, so the studio is trying to angle things to maximize the home-release profits off a trilogy that is rapidly losing its appeal...
darq, having reading comprehension problems? Or is the whole message just too difficult for you to grasp?
1) The movie opened big, but it has dropped off fast, faster than expected, with bad word-of-mouth. It doesn't matter what MR made in the first week or month. What matters to the studio is how to make the most *additional* money with the home release market. It sounds like they'll try to release it soon, to catch the holiday rush and also before the negative buzz has largely killed the demand for it.
2) Yes, everyone has the Matrix on DVD already. (And if not, it's something like $7 at BB!) *BUT* (again, reasoning ability is important here), if they only sell it as a boxed set, they can make more $$$ by double-dipping the first 2 releases with each sale. And, to a degree, by double-dipping the first for those (like me) who saw Reloaded but haven't bought it yet. As opposed to releasing it just as a single disc, of course.
3) I think that all Matrix fans who want all three movies will buy up the box set when released (it's also holiday time, remember?) rather than wait for a possible future 'better' release.
Bottom line is, the movie had a lot of prerelease buzz that died down quickly, so the studio is trying to angle things to maximize the home-release profits off a trilogy that is rapidly losing its appeal...
My point was that it's a bad idea to exclusively bundle Revolutions with the first 2 just because the 3rd installment didn't go well with the average movie-goer. Only the Matrix die-hards will buy it. Those die-hards MOST LIKELY own the first 2. They aren't going to buy the very same 2 DVDs again just to get the 3rd, especially since the die-hards know that a bigger and better box set will be on it's way soon enough. I'm willing to bet that this probably even hurt Reloaded sales just a little. I myself didn't buy it, I'm waiting because I don't need these movies right now.
But this is all a moot point. If they get Revolutions out in time for X-mas in 6 weeks, which would be the fastest turnaround for a DVD AFAIK, I'll delete my account on here and never come back. This movie isn't exactly Gigli.
11-11-03 | 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by Sierra Disc
I heard on www.dvdbs.com that they aren't even going to release it at all on video, they're just throwing the negatives to a pack of wild dogs or something. I know this has to be true because the Internet never lies to me.
I heard on www.dvdbs.com that they aren't even going to release it at all on video, they're just throwing the negatives to a pack of wild dogs or something. I know this has to be true because the Internet never lies to me.
does this mean i'm gonna have to buy some steak to distract 'em..?
11-11-03 | 08:25 PM
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Well I don't how these decisions are made, but I'd be very surprised if this movie saw the light of day on DVD before the March timeframe. It's going to make money, disappointment or not, this will be milked for as much money as possible before it hits DVD.
With that, I'd buy Matrix Revolutions only...unless The Matrix was re-issued with anamorphic picture, DTS and a commentary with the directors.
With that, I'd buy Matrix Revolutions only...unless The Matrix was re-issued with anamorphic picture, DTS and a commentary with the directors.
11-11-03 | 09:04 PM
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The Matrix Crapology will be hitting stores sooner than you think. That's why I didn't buy the second one. I guess if they sell it for around $20 for the set, I might have a friend buy it for me. But I sure as hell don't want to be seen buying it myself. Yes, the trilogy is that embarassing, and I would rather buy the American Ninja Box Set.
11-11-03 | 09:59 PM
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I got my copy and it was Fullscreen. 
Bastards.
I got my copy and it was Fullscreen. Bastards.
11-11-03 | 11:23 PM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
Remember when fox tried to pull this same thing with From Justin to kelly? theater owners were pissed. No way this will happen without a fight.
Remember when fox tried to pull this same thing with From Justin to kelly? theater owners were pissed. No way this will happen without a fight.
Think about this. Pixar sold 17 million copies of Finding Nemo, just this week alone. Let's be modest and say they sell 20 million by Christmas. At $20 a piece that's FOUR HUNDRED MILLION. That's more than the total worldwide gross of $340 million.
The big money today is in home video sales. How many films have made more in DVD sales than in the theater? I know there are a few, and that trend will continue.
I can't wait for the day when consumers can choose between buying the DVD or seeing it in theaters, concurrently. Hell, for $300 you can a pretty decent HT setup, and that's 10 visits for most families of 4 to a see a movie.
I hope they release it before Christmas. I just saw it Sunday, in a major market, and there was 10 people in the theater. It made $200 million that's a TON more than most movies made. By the time it comes out, if it does, by Christmas, it would mostly likely be out of most theaters and only straglers and people who truly believe the matrix is real would still be seeing it.
This is just one man's opinion. As always YMMV.
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11-11-03 | 11:37 PM
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From: City of the lakers.. riots.. and drug dealing cops.. los(t) Angel(e)s. ca.
Originally posted by wfujosh
Do you mean the very same theatre owners that pulled the movie from screens after the crap opening weekend? I have NO love for theater owners. They take my $10 proceed to show me 4 commercials, not control the audience members (i.e., let people bring 2 year olds to Matrix movies, allow people to talk on cell phones), overcharge for tatseless concessions. EVERY TIME I go to the movies I am reminded why I put so much money into my home theatre.
Do you mean the very same theatre owners that pulled the movie from screens after the crap opening weekend? I have NO love for theater owners. They take my $10 proceed to show me 4 commercials, not control the audience members (i.e., let people bring 2 year olds to Matrix movies, allow people to talk on cell phones), overcharge for tatseless concessions. EVERY TIME I go to the movies I am reminded why I put so much money into my home theatre.
11-11-03 | 11:42 PM
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
feel however you want about them, but the fact remains that they get assed out for the first few weeks along the lines of % of what they make and what the studio makes so releasing a film on dvd 6 weeks after theater run is murder to them when by that sixth week, they are making their money back.
feel however you want about them, but the fact remains that they get assed out for the first few weeks along the lines of % of what they make and what the studio makes so releasing a film on dvd 6 weeks after theater run is murder to them when by that sixth week, they are making their money back.
11-12-03 | 12:36 AM
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There definitely are a couple reasons that they would release this by christmas.
1. Most movies are released in the US first then other countries in coming months or weeks. They need to make sure that they get the most out of a movie theatrically. In this case, however, this movie was released everywhere worldwide at the same time which is not something that has ever happened. So there is no longer a need to wait because it has been released in all markets.
2. To capitalize on christmas sales. If they can get a boxset out by christmas it will sell like hotcakes no matter what the case. WB has seen what Indy has done so maybe they also want to do something similar.
In my mind, though I don't think they would release it that quickly. I wouldn't if I were one of the people responsible for getting a movie released into stores. It doesn't make sense.
1. Most movies are released in the US first then other countries in coming months or weeks. They need to make sure that they get the most out of a movie theatrically. In this case, however, this movie was released everywhere worldwide at the same time which is not something that has ever happened. So there is no longer a need to wait because it has been released in all markets.
2. To capitalize on christmas sales. If they can get a boxset out by christmas it will sell like hotcakes no matter what the case. WB has seen what Indy has done so maybe they also want to do something similar.
In my mind, though I don't think they would release it that quickly. I wouldn't if I were one of the people responsible for getting a movie released into stores. It doesn't make sense.
11-12-03 | 05:08 AM
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I don't see the big deal. Yes Revolutions blew, but so did Reloaded (even more so) and it sold a shitload, didn't it? WB just needs to bank on the fact that almost everyone has the original Matrix, a lot have the second and most people are goin' to want to complete this trilogy. I know I will and I hated the last two.
11-12-03 | 06:08 AM
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From: City of the lakers.. riots.. and drug dealing cops.. los(t) Angel(e)s. ca.
Originally posted by wfujosh
I disagree. You are assuming that the movie LASTED six weeks in the theater. You can't possibly believe that a theater owner would continue to show the Glitters and FJ2K of the world day after day for six weeks to empty theaters when they could screen a moneymaker. That's where your argument is flawed my friend.
I disagree. You are assuming that the movie LASTED six weeks in the theater. You can't possibly believe that a theater owner would continue to show the Glitters and FJ2K of the world day after day for six weeks to empty theaters when they could screen a moneymaker. That's where your argument is flawed my friend.
Theaters pay a big chunk to get the reels they do. The first few weeks take in is chopped up into percentages and a great big chunk of that % is taken away by the studio aside from what they make from the sale of the film. theaters make their money off popcorn and drinks for those few weeks of that new release so they aren't seeing crap of that weekend box office. It comes time to when the film is in it's 4-8 week run that the theater is actually making a profit off that film. This is why in the past theaters want a bigger wait for home release so they can enjoy the profits some.
makes sense now? kthx
11-12-03 | 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by wfujosh
I have NO love for theater owners. They take my $10 proceed to show me 4 commercials, not control the audience members (i.e., let people bring 2 year olds to Matrix movies, allow people to talk on cell phones), overcharge for tatseless concessions. EVERY TIME I go to the movies I am reminded why I put so much money into my home theatre.
I have NO love for theater owners. They take my $10 proceed to show me 4 commercials, not control the audience members (i.e., let people bring 2 year olds to Matrix movies, allow people to talk on cell phones), overcharge for tatseless concessions. EVERY TIME I go to the movies I am reminded why I put so much money into my home theatre.
Believe me, in the land of poor movie theatre experience, you have it easy.
11-12-03 | 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by aperry
My grandmother does not have The Matrix.
My grandmother does not have The Matrix.
Actually, maybe she has my copy too . . . I certainly don't see it in my collection . . .
11-12-03 | 11:35 AM
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If they do put out a boxset by Christmas and that's the only way to get Revolutions, I'll buy it if we're getting at least a new edition of the first Matrix. Its possible that it would contain new versions of both The Matrix and The Matrix Reloaded. I mean, the 2-disc set of the first film was suppose to come out around the time Reloaded hit theaters, then they pulled the plug on it. So there's a good chance that one is done and in the bag. And there's a ton of other stuff that was rumored to exist for Reloaded and I'm sure they've got quite a bit for Revolutions already too. I really don't think it will be out by Christmas, but if it is I'll pick it up if it at least has a special edition of the first. And if it doesn't, I'll buy it anyway and sell my copy of the Matrix and Reloaded off.
11-12-03 | 12:52 PM
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As some of you know, I have seen three movies in their theatrical runs over the last eight years: Goldeneye; Saving Private Ryan & LOTR TTT. I don't know why this is. Laziness? Contentment with my decent home theater--whatever. Anyway, given the foregoing, I pay little attention to when movies come out theatrically and more attention to when the DVD streets (obviously). Get this: by the time they come out--especially so-called blockbusters--I can't even remember the *****ing reviews (that's if I ever heard it). As far as word of mouth, the views of the people with whom I associate are so varied that it all filters out to nothingness (e.g., some folks hated Revolutions, some LOVED IT).
I forgot my point. Sorry.
I forgot my point. Sorry.
11-12-03 | 12:58 PM
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1) The movie opened big, but it has dropped off fast, faster than expected, with bad word-of-mouth.
Finding Nemo
First Sunday: dropped 21%
Monday: dropped 68%
Tuesday: bumped 3%
Wednesday: dropped 6%
Pirates of the Caribbean
Sunday: dropped 17%
Monday: dropped 47%
Tuesday: dropped 2%
Wednesday: dropped 4%
Matrix: Reloaded
First Sunday: dropped 24% from previous day
First Monday: dropped 61% from previous day
Tuesday: dropped 25% from previous day
Wednesday: dropped 16% from previous day
Bruce Almighty (numbers are a bit aberrant due to Monday being Memorial day...)
Sunday: dropped 11%
Monday: dropped 20%
Tuesday: dropped 70%
Wednesday: dropped 8%
X2
Sunday: dropped 30%
Monday: dropped 70%
Tuesday: dropped 7%
Wednesday: dropped 18%
Terminator 3
Sunday: dropped 25%
Monday: dropped 57%
Tuesday: dropped 11%
Wednesday: dropped 20%
Bad Boyz II
Sunday: dropped 17%
Monday: dropped 55%
Tuesday: dropped 11%
Wednesday: dropped 17%
Anger Management
Sunday: dropped 47%
Monday: dropped 68%
Tuesday: bumped .9%
Wednesday: dropped 11%
Bringing Down the House
Sunday: dropped 40%
Monday: dropped 74%
Tuesday: bumped 3%
Wednesday: dropped 7%
The Hulk
Sunday: dropped 24%
Monday: dropped 62%
Tuesday: bumped 17%
Wednesday: dropped 14%
And then there's the movie that is dropping off "unexpectedly":
Matrix: Revolutions
Sunday: 36%
Monday: 63%
Tuesday: ?
Wednesday: ?
Sure looks like those are around the norm for blockbuster movies this year. And all of those kept making money in the theaters for quite awhile. They're not going to kill that potential by announcing a DVD release in December...