Willie is the Jar Jar Binks of the Indiana Jones series.

Wow, how on-topic, majorjoe23. :eyeroll:

I've always heard that Gremlins was responsible for the PG-13, but obviously it's something the MPAA was contemplating for a long time - something between PG and R.

Now we could use something between R and NC-17 - something that would allow adults-only but would still play at multiplexes and be rented at Blockbuster Video and sold at Walmart.

That's what Ebert thinks, but I don't see how it would change things. I think both the new rating and NC-17 would be off-limits at the places you mentioned. Maybe they could use one for violence and one for sex, so that W-M and Blockbuster could carry the ones with the violence but not the ones with sex.

After all, what would the rating guideline be? R is no one under 17 admitted without an adult. NC-17 is no one under 17 admitted at all. What would be in between? No one under 17 without a responsible adult?

Indy and Gremlins were both responsible for the PG-13 rating...both movies came out in the summer of '84.

NC-17 was intended to be the rating that would be adults-only but still play at multiplexes...it just didn't happen that way.

I remember this past summer when I went to see Bad Boys II, I saw many many many families in the theatre. Lots of young children, who will now be scarred for life.

Some parents are just plain lazy, and if they can't bring their kids in to the theatre, they won't go.

Those movieplexes have to make the cash. It's better for the theatre to have 8 screens of Daredevil than to have 8 screens of decent movies with an NC-17 rating.

NC-17 also has a negative connotation as being pornographic, which in many cases is just not true.

In addition, wasn't NC-17 brought about as a designation that was supposed to be between R and X? I believe that the problem was that "artsy" movies were doing things that were "too much" for an R rating, but they didn't want an X rating, because that was associated with porn (when in reality, don't they realy mean the same thing . . . no one under 17 can watch?) The only other out was to go with an NR "rating" which, then started to pick up a similar reputation as X. This has started to dissipate some with so many DVD extras being NR, however, releases like the NR versions of American Pie and Charlies Angels II almost seem to be trying to revive that image of the "dirty NR film".

I think we have hit a threashold here . . . everybody already associates R movies with being pretty "intense" (so to speak) and anything past that is always going to be viewed in a negative light.

Maybe sub designations, to clarify why it is raqted NC-17, is the answer . . . examples:

NC-17 (V) = Explicit/Graphic violence
NC-17 (S) = Explicit/Graphic sexuality
NC-17 (M) = Multiple type of explicit/graphic scenes
etc . . .

No, it was a replacement for the "X" rating. The "X" rating was the only rating that the MPAA didn't copyright. They did this so that anybody who felt their material was too strong for an R-rating or lower could rate their own movie "X" without having submitting the movie through the ratings process.

What happened is that the porno industry was rating all of their films "X," and soon "XXX" and so-forth. Before long the "X" rating was equivalent to porn.

Call it what you want, but I don't think the large theater chains, video stores, and Walmarts will ever carry anything rated stronger than an "R."They already have this, in the long box next to the rating. Every rating from PG and up uses it.

I know . . . it just seems that 1) many people seem to be too lazy to read this and 2) in the case of NC-17, it seems to need more clarification than the other ratings, due to the unfair, but extremely common feeling (among the general populace), that all NC-17 movies are porn.

I never heard about gremlins. To my knowledge temple of doom was soley responsible for pg-13. The commentary on the 5th disc even reaffirmed my beliefs.

It was totally Gremlins and TOD. In fact, both were associated with spielberg so that's why he was so heavily involved.

I thought he mentioned Gremlins in that documentary but I guess i was wrong.

There should be a PG-15 for movies like "Billy Elliot" where the language is strong but not explicit.