First off, let me clarify a few things.

(1) I'm a huge Tarintino fan. Everything he touches has been gold.

(2) I love DVD's and I prefer the Director's to let us know ahead of time on possible special editions.

(3) I loved Kill Bill.


With those three things said, I'm dissapointed in his idea of making a bunch of different versions for "collectors". It all seems like a cheap attempt to milk the movie. However, I will buy Volume 1 (first edition) when it comes out, Volume 2 (First edition) when it comes out and if they put together the two in one feature movie, with deleted scenes / commentary / great lookin' case ala Pulp Fiction: SE, I would consider it. I however, won't buy a bunch of different editions for each volume, just because of a different cover (ala Resivorer Dogs) or a couple extra's on one edition, and a couple missing on the other. That is bull$h!t in my humble opinion.

Having seen the movie opeening night, I am glad they broke it up into 2 movies. I love it, it was great. I will certinaly buy the 2 individual edits, and then the 1 cummulative edit would be great to add to the collection.

Just got back from seeing this and I have to say that I'm not a fan of extras at all, but I'll be buying every DVD of this that comes out (praying for one to be an uncut version...)

I'd like to retract this statement that I made prior to seeing the movie. After watching the movie, I may very well buy 3 DVD sets...if they all have different stuff.

I sure AS HELL hope that the mega edition has the 2 volumes together--edited the way Tarantino intended--prior to the necessary cutting up to get the R rating instead of an NC-17 rating.

What Zeus said.

The splitting of the movie into 2 parts wasn't to get an R rating, it was to increase the number of screenings per day to increase ticket sales (and to essentially force viewers to pay for the movie twice to see the whole thing).

Well unless Miramax splits from Disney. We will not see an uncut version in the U.S because of the pathetic anti-unrated/NC-17 policy.

The final sword fight would be so much better & amazing in color,instead of overexposed black & white which obscures much of the grue sadly. Still I guess that was a better option that just cutting the gore out which would make the scene unwatchable.


As for the film split in two. Perfect! It just got exhausting by the end of Vol 1,that if it went on any longer. It would have gotten dull since you are worn out after awhile & yet the film goes on & on & on & on into tedium.

So ending with the cliff hanger was great as it gets you pumped up in anticipation wanting to know how the story ends!


Oh yeah,The Matrix sucks Sorry but that fake ass CGI is terrible & thus the action scenes are boring as hell.

Mirmax isn't really seen as part of disney to the general public. that is why Disney has it. for the films they want to own, but not want to tamper with the disney image.

the fight scene was scripted in black and white so it wasn't a simple idea to turn it that way to save on the rating. As for the Matrix scene. perhaps if the chicks had a package you wouldn't have found it boring..

I have to laugh a little when folks start bashing the Matrix saying that the action looked a little fake when it was mixed in with actors like keanu and CGI when they talk about Uma's wire-fu being all that great looking.

Miramax has released unrated films and "Uncensored" dvd's: http://www.upcomingdiscs.com/dvd_rev..._where=studios

That's not what I meant. I guess I should have made it clearer.

I meant I want to see the two movies combined into one movie AND I want it cut the way Tarantino intended it to be cut prior to him having to edit out things to get the R rating. The two things are mutually exclusive of one another. I didn't mean that he split the movies to get an R rating; I meant that he had to edit them to get an R rating.

You couldn't be more wrong.

The B&W in the fight scene was just too random and did not fit cinematically - first of all, there are a lot of shots from that fight in the trailer, but they're in color in the trailer, and they look much better there than in the actual film.
Second, the blood in the B&W flashbacks (wedding chapple) looks like blood, because they knew beforehand it'd be in B&W so they used a dark "oily" substance that would look like blood in B&W. But in the fight scene the blood looks like water, because it's NOT supposed to be in B&W and it was only B&W after the fact and not in all markets - Japan gets that scene in color, BTW.

You couldn't be more wrong.

Thanks JMJ.

Laugh all you want, but those folks, including me, are right, because the so-called "Burly Brawl" in The Matrix Reloaded looks very cheap and a huge letdown from the effects of the original Matrix, where REAL PEOPLE were shown doing stuff in bullet-time slow-motion. The same goes for the battle in Kill Bill: it's real people, real stunts, real effects, only aided by computers to remove the wires.

If you post about 3-4 more paragraphs about the movie, I won't even have to go see it.

Yeah, but the issue at hand is the whole comments QT made about the effects. if they fit the film and are used correctly then they can work alright. Can you really say that QT was wrong in using the gushing blood in KILL BILL? no, it fit the style he was trying to reach and it worked for it. Just like in the matrix you should expect to see the over the top CGI filled battles. it's taking place in a computer.

I'll take all 3 please. I'm buying all LOTR, Matrix, and Kill Bill dvds. Anyone know a good psychiatrist?

Yeah, but it shouldn't look like it was fought by computers. The bottom line is that they are supposed to look like human beings, and they don't. It's too bad too, since most of that fight scene could have been done using real people in front of blue-screens and then put together in a computer.

Jack,The Ozzbournes is a tv show. So the fact that they released an unbleeped version does not count

Movies are a different thing ratingwise. Have Miramax released Scream unrated? Have they released Malena unrated or uncut? Have they released the majority of their Jet Li & other Hong Kong films uncut,many of which had graphic violence & gore cut to avoid an NC-17?

Once they do that,then I will finally believe they have released something other than a tv show unrated

As for your snob laden comment about not liking The Matrix since the women were not transsexuals. Hey,even if they were, it would not make me like the film anymore

Though news has been going around Hollywood that Larry Wachowski is TS & undergoing a sex change!


The real reason I did not like The Matrix is for many things. The CGI FX were bad,not 'groundbreaking'. Cutting from a human being to a CGI cartoon doing wild kung fu moves is not amazing or 'cool'. It is boring,since you know it's not real at all & so obviouslly so.

Blade 2 suffers from bad CGI as well which ruins the action sequences. I do not want to see CGI limbs hacked off or fake CGI bullit wounds,when real prothetic FX can be used,are far more beliebable & effective!

Back to The Matrix. The CGI is the new Star Wars trilogy bad. You can tell it's CGI.

Then add in the fact that the film & it's stars take the material far more seriouslly than it deserves & forgetting to have any fun with it. Also kills any enjoyment the film may provide. Knowing that Agent Smith will keep on coming no matter how many times they 'kill' him is boring,since you know he & the other drones are not real & will just keep on coming.

Also add in the far to serious boring tone with pseudo-philisophical dialogue that goes on for most of it's running time,also adds to the yawn factor.


So that & many more reasons is why I do not like The Matrix.

PS-removing wires with CGI in KIll Bill is good. At least the rest of the stunts,we know are real..& far more amazing

Yeah, cause the FCC's rules are not so bad considering the MPAA's evil hand of censorship..

Last time I checked this thread was about KILL BILL till you decided to throw in the whole "Matrix sucks" comments out of nowhere. as for Miramax and unrated releases..

http://www.amazon.ca/exec/obidos/tg/...264019-8271208

"unrated"

Please, if you will go to the movie talk forum and there is the kill bill thread. In there I'm offering a challange to provide proof in reference and quotes about how the MPAA has "censored" this and forced the B&W segment. there is conflicting reports and well.. one side is just interweb rumors. the other is fact. Some claim it was written in the script. the fact that it's in color in japan is not proof enough. we need to finish that discussion.

the comments steam from QT's statement that if he wanted to see the stuff in the matrix he would go home and put his $##@ in a nintendo. a little extreme in words if you ask me. some effects, if used wisely can be warrented. This then spawned a lot of "Yeah, Why see keanu in wires when we can get a real martial artist who knows how to actually do this stuff!" which I respond with a "Yeah, cause Uma is such a martial arts master.."

Well you wanted an opinion as to why I don't like The Matrix & I gave you that. Now to finish the CGI vs real stunt/FX work.


While all that can be said about crappy overuse of CGI was said in the last post. The violence & gore in Kill Bill was refreshing to see. The hacked up limb flying violence with the blood splattering everywhere effect was really visceral powerful stuff..& far more effective than all the violence in Blade 2 & many films today that copout with CGI 'gore'.

Then add in the stunt work,where people are really doing those jumps & flips & climbing unlike The Matrix,it's amazing & thrilling to view. Reminds me of the good old days back when Indiana Jones or Star Wars had amazing non-CGI stunts & FX work that still hold up today as thrilling amazing pieces of work(Well not the CGIfest SEs of the trilogy).

Meanwhile CGI being used to delete the wires is one of the only good smart uses of CGI in film today. CGI can be a good tool if used sparingly & you can't tell it's CGI. Yet such is not the case with 99& of films today that even for the simplest effect,take the lazy way out by using CGI.


So with all that in mind. I am looking forward to the dvd release(s) of the film. Yet if one were the unrated version. That would be totally awsome


ps-umm that link above seems to point to another Miramax butchure job of a HK film

You frighten me a little bit . . .

Now, mind you, I have not seen Kill Bill yet, but I feel comfortable saying that Saving Private Ryan has the best handle on "violence & gore", of recent films, without using heavy CGI. But you can also be sure I would never have used "refreshing" to describe it. Powerful? Yes. Accurate/Realistic? Yes. Appropriate (given the subject and historical nature of the film)? Yes.

Refreshing? Never . . .

Might be a butcher job but it's unrated. thus proving your little "the mou$e wont release anything with a pg-13 wah wah wah" comments. now please provide all the evils of how miramax conducts business under the Mou$e in the other thread about kill bill. You seem to be the king of the over use of the word censorship, so perhaps you should take it. were is the proof that qt didn't orginally pencil it that way and the evil MPAA forced him to do this and that.

You threw in the whole "Oh yeah,The Matrix sucks Sorry but that fake ass CGI is terrible & thus the action scenes are boring as hell." comment out of no where. at the least, if there was any discussion about it your comments were randomly placed in a thread discussion. Keep the matrix in a matrix thread if you please.

At least I cited some facts to back myself up. Where are yours?

Tarantino shot that fight in color. It was changed last minute to avoid an NC17 in this country - the fact that it's in color in Japan and the clips in the trailer are in color and that the blood just looks plain wrong show that you and Jack are flat out WRONG.

The B&W in the fight scene was just too random and did not fit cinematically - first of all, there are a lot of shots from that fight in the trailer, but they're in color in the trailer, and they look much better there than in the actual film.
those trailer shots were ealier on in the fight, when only part of the army comes out, since in the trailer, we see the black and white axe come.

Well.. since we are going to talk about it...

also

When was the last time you've seen something missing from the film that was in the trailer? yeah, it's a common practice. it's easy to stip the color from a film then it is to color it with a computer.