Oh gosh, am I embarrassed. Of course. I was thrown by the way the comment was written and the fact I just got up and haven't had coffee :-) hehehe

Thanks for clearing that one up otherwise i'd been bothered all day!

Jim

• Quoth Regurgitator •<HR SIZE=1>Voyager, on the other hand, is not lame at all. It is what Star Trek is all about exploration and discovering new races and cultures. In fact, I found this series even better than Deep Space Nine and the Next Generation. How can you not like a show where you're with the crew of the only Federation starship trapped in the delta quadrant. Brings a sense of ominous feeling about it. <HR SIZE=1>

I mean this in good humor ... sort of ... but when you're burning in Hell for those comments, apply for a Day Pass to Heaven so you can ask Mr. Roddenberry exactly which part of his vision included mass genocide of alien races and willingly malicious manipulation of the timeline just to settle personal grudges. When you return back to the fiery pits, you can explain the answer to your roommates Berman and Braga (who still won't get it).

How can you not like a show that trashes 35 years of visionary television through celebration of unspeakably horrible acts just because the special effects looked neato, and Seven has big titties? Oh wait ... I believe I know how ...

das

P.S. On topic, the same thing we do every night time this question is asked, Pinky. I'm not buying this set, because I'll be buying the next set. I have 3 iterations of them on VHS and am not going through the same thing with DVD. They'll release them again, better quality and reasonably priced (okay, maybe not reasonable, but less ridiculous). It's Paramount ... the bureaucratic mentality is not the only constant in the Universe. I'll buy them then.

I own all 40 Volumes of TOS,
All 7 seasons of TNG,
THe 1st 2 seasons of DS9
TAS on VCD,
the first 4 movies (se's)
movies 6-9, (barebones),
THe remaining episodes, and movies, on vhs (taped from tv and video).

Will be getting Nemesis shortly, the remaining ds9 seasons, all of voyager & enterprise on dvd as they come out, as well as TAS (if they ever release it), and the se's of the remaining movies.

I love all of the Trek shows (some more than others). Here's hoping for an improved Enterprise, a ds9 movie, and many more years of trek.

Anyone here waiting for season sets of TOS is doing themselves an injustice! I purchased all the videos (black box) back in the eighties, then got them all over again on laserdisc (although the quality was no better than VHS....BIG disappointment).

After I heard they were being remastered on DVD, I took a chance on buying the first one. That's all I needed to convince myself to collect them AGAIN on dvd. The quality is simply outstanding. I watched them as I received them, when they were initially released, and am now going thru them again in chronological order (just watched Court Martial last night).

If your a fan of this show, don't wait to get these episodes on dvd. If they ever put them on moratorium, you'll really regret not having these wonderful DVDs!

• Quoth ken_572002 •<HR SIZE=1>If they ever put them on moratorium, you'll really regret not having these wonderful DVDs! <HR SIZE=1>

das

I just wanted to say that I think this a brilliant idea. You don't have them all sitting on your shelf, but you've got really easy access to them? That's excellent.

One could easily apply this logic to other expensive sets. Don't want to buy nine X-Files seasons? Get two friends and buy three each.

This whole issue is one of my biggest gripes about the DVD format.

The new Looney Tunes DVD release is another prime example. They put 13 cartoons on ONE disc - that's basically an hour or so. They could easily put ALL the cartoons on 1 DVD, even 2 would be better - but 4?

I think the studio executives huddle around each other saying, "Gee, these multiple-disc sets seem to sell pretty good. Why don't we stretch out our movie/series in as many discs as possible - that way, we can charge more!"

This explains so much. I am finally beginning to understand the mystery that is danol.

We did the same thing for TNG.

I have 3 sets, and more 3 (we added another friend to the mix) have the other sets. I must admit, I have more sets than the others - I just had to have both Borgs sets.

We are all best friends and the wives do not get so upset at us spending too much money.

Percy Rodrigues rules

I hated Voyager. It was Gilligan's Island in space without a laugh track. The first season or so kept having episodes where they went "ooh-ooh, this will get us back home", "oops, guess not".

Furthermore, it's not about discovery and exploration. Nobody wanted to be there (at least in STOS, STNG, and Enterprise, the people on the ship want to be out there). All they cared about was getting home. Most of the alien races are just getting in their way. Literally.


Their ship is nearly indestructible, since they fight many alien races, yet have no way to repair it (Enterprise needed space docks), and if they get it repaired at an alien space dock, what do they use for trade? How do they get all the incompatible systems to work together during repairs?

They like to bring up the Prime Directive only when it would make their situation more dire. They added a character for the fanboys. There's a tendency to have unsolvable crises get solved in the last 5 minutes of the episode (OK, OK, that's true of all ST series).

Finally, from what I've heard, the series finale is a deus ex-machina ending, even though they introduced several omnipotent characters that could have brought them home in a flash, but chose not to earlier in the series. I gave up on this series long before my wife did, and nearly every time I watched an episode I was reminded why this is my least favorite ST series.

I have held off. I will not purchase them until they are in season sets of some sort. Once they do that I will not hesitate to pick up the collection.

Great observation! I knew that Voyager wasn't going to be my show when in the very first pilot episode we see that their predicament is caused precisely because they violated the "Prime Directive".

The scenario was just too contrived for me. I watched the rest of the first season just to see if it got any better... it didn't.

Also, I watched Nemesis and wondered how in the world did Janeway become an admiral before Picard?

• Quoth Red Dog •<HR SIZE=1>Also, I watched Nemesis and wondered how in the world did Janeway become an admiral before Picard? <HR SIZE=1>

Knowing her character, she probably bought a time machine from the Klingons (or tortured some baby seals to get it) and went back and changed things around to her liking.

das

hehe, having missed out on the Voyager THANG, I*m dying to know what that last comment meant, but about picard....

AND SPOILERS OF COURSE SO STAY AWAY IF YOU HAVEN*T SEEN IT:

I felt a bit sad for Picard at the end of Nemesis. I felt as though he didn't grow, or turned his back on his growth. There comes a time when its time to move on.

This is also something I think the Entire TNG movie series missed upon and Nemesis almost attempted to address. You can disect the TOS Movie series into a single unifying theme, growing old... becoming obsolete.

This has been Kirks entire struggle in the movies and at least the books that i've read so far.

I kept asking myself why Picard wasn't retiring. Did he really want to hang on to a command that badly? Did command = Youth in his eyes? I wanted him to just chuck it all and become an archeologist. The thought of him growing with a new crew was just depressing to me.

Seems as though Picard has the same problem that Riker had, in not accepting promotion.

Anyway, i know its off subject, but it just popped to mind.-

The only way I'm happy with the answer to that question is thinking Picard took Kirk's advice to heart (from Generations) and refused promotion.


Any other reason gives me seizures.

That's what has always annoyed me about ST 7 thru 10 - no unifying story arc. With the exception of 1 and 5 being stand-alone stories, there was a flow where the movie built on what had come before. Death of Spock -> return of Spock -> getting home -> fallout of the Genesis Affair. They were all perfectly viable as their own films, but dovetailed into each other nicely.

(And hell - even 5 was dealing with the brand new Enterprise and it's troubles, so even THAT was part of the arc in a manner. It was more closely tied to the others than any Next Gen movie ever was).

Oh well - just one more sign that the franchise has gone to hell. . . .

Back on topic - just a couple of months ago I rented a fist full of episodes. It had been years and years since I'd seen any of the old school Trek, so I'd forgotten much of the series. But damn if it doesn't stand the test of time. Sure it's a cheesy snapshot of the 60's in places, and it's not a very subtle show - but there was a sense of fun that everything that came after it was sorely lacking. Hell, I would have bought a boxed set on the spot that day.

Paramount's loss, I guess. There's plenty more fish in the sea.

El-Kabong, I agree with you on ST 5, but Also think ST 1 introduced the theme of Kirks struggle with age (though I doubt the creators had this in mind as a recurring theme at the time).

Though ST 1 had a much different feel to it over all, and I still consider it my favorite of the franchise. In fact, I tend to go in order of 1,2,3,4 for the first four films, all being a close tie for first.
I flip flop on ST5 and 6 all the time. I think both were hurt by editing fiascos.

I also should maybe take back some of what I said about the next gen movies. Maybe they did try to touch on the aging question to some degree, with the exception of the Borg movie. There was a theme in Generations, though not really explored, same with Insurrection, and arguably Nemesis, though by now i think its clear that Paramount for whatever reason is bent on destroying Trek. I would love someday to have an edition of Nemesis that included every deleted scene on the DVD and elliminated the car chase scene entirely.

I'm holding off on TOS until there are boxsets, hopefully quite a bit cheaper, too. Paramount would create a tidal wave of new interest if they only do it!

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I really would like to have the whole TOS set, but there is no way that I am going to buy them in the format that they are in right now. I just hope that one day they will release these in boxsets or with more episodes per disc or etc...

Been a semi-rabid fan since I first saw TOS in the 70's.

I own all of TNG, and seasons 1-3 of DS9. (Eagerly waiting the 4th.)

I own exactly ONE TOS disk. My favourite episode, "Mirror Mirror". I may pick up one or two more that have favourites on 'em. (I'd like to have "Doomsday Machine", "City on the Edge of Forever", "Devil in the Dark" and "Patterns of Force")

The TOS discs are currently running for around 20-25 bucks (cdn) around here. (I don't do a lot of puchasing online). So another 39 disks will cost me 780-975 bucks, not including tax. That is more than I spent on all seven seasons of TNG. Even though I love TOS, I can't justify that expense.

I'll wait for a few years, and wait for the inevitible "UltimateSuperWahoo" box set.

You should try watching it past the first few seasons. I agree that seasons one and two were kind of political and heavy on Bajoran religion and such... but the Dominion story arch is amazing.

I didn't feel anything ominous about it after the first few episodes. And I disagree that Voyager was "what Star Trek was all about".

Janeway broke Starfleet regs AND the Prime Directive far too often ... but woe be it to anyone ELSE who did so in front of her. The show broke the rules FAR too often for my tastes. (I can't begin to tell you how many times I would have relieved her of command and/or had her arrested, had I been the XO on duty.)

They weren't there to explore and discover and learn. There weren't "seeking out new civilizations" They were there against their will, and trying to return home. (And the fact that they kept stopping and/or going off-course to check out the local space anomaly drove me nuts. Set course, and keep going, except for fuel and repair stops.)

Sorry... even though I'm a die-hard Trek-nut, Voyager just doesn't do it for me. DS9, on the other hand, had some of the best writing and best-developed characters AND supporting cast that I've ever seen.

Just my two cents...

First, I want to say any rules or regulations such as the Prime Directive is not slated in stone. They are all flexible enough when other circumstances arises. Most of the time in Voyager Janeway had no choice but to break it. It's a show for god sakes and makes it entertaining if it's reasonable and it always was. For example, if an alien race made a plea for help and asks you.. wouldn't you help? The prime directive is often broken because of this -- reminds me of an episode from TNG.

To all those who just saw the first season.. how can you judge the whole entire series just from that? That's ridiculous! All Star Trek series don't usually pick up until the 3rd season. I suggest you watch some of the shows mid series to near the end of the series and then judge.

I agree that Voyager was in the Delta Quadrant against their will and their primary goal was to reach home. But they still explored and diverted a bit to get along with other species they met. Consider their stops as side quests. They knew it would take them forever to get home wouldn't you take the advantage and still the see the sites around you?

Helloo?! That's what exploring is about! One of the main concepts of Star Trek.

As for DS9, I'm sorry to say, that show is utterly too too political and got too boring. I agree it has a lot of character development but I feel the most important thing in ST is to explore space and encounter new species and culture. DS9 was like a stationary blob of a series.. how can you explore space from just a space station other than some of the roundabout/Defiant missions? Really stupid concept of Star Trek to come along.

I still seem to be the only person around here who actually liked all three 24th century shows.

(*Raises eyebrow in the Vulcan manner*)

Intriguing