Well said, caligulathegod. Removing an errant reflection has no real impact on the enjoyment of the movie. I don't see what all the hoopla is about. It's about three seconds of footage with a *very* minor alteration. It's not like Disney butchering movies for the sake of censorship, so I say we should be very grateful

Maybe not to you...

However slight, I do find enjoyment in that reflection.

Half the folk I know never even realized the reflection was there. it's not something that will be greatly missed, though us hardcore folks will realize it isn't there anymore. thank goodness I have my LD's of it.

I think ya'll are jumping to conclusions. The trailers display the "new and improved" image and the reflection is INDEED clearly on there.

I dunno. I see both sides, but it kind of reminds me of those people that think the music is not the same without those pops and cracks of vinyl. Books and plays get revised all the time and yet you don't get a fuss. Replacing guns with walkie talkies is revisionism, fixing a matte line or a stray reflection really isn't. It's like getting a skin tag removed from your face. Sure, your mom still loved you with it, but you know, it's a lot easier to shave without it. Heck, even the Sistine Chapel got 500 years of crud removed from it. Some people think it takes away from the dingy look we're used to, but when Michaelangelo died, it was probably still pretty bright. Again, it's not like someone painted new improved angels up there.

well put

Since the date of release is coming up--- has there been any further information as to what was altered from the original theatrical versions??

I've got no problem with fixing the cobra reflection and erasing the matte lines---- but I don't trust Speilberg or Lucas.

The Snake Reflection question:

I heard that the reflection wasn't from a glass seperating Indy from the snake but it's a flare on the lens.....

is that true?

good grief, so many lame criticisms in this thread. Indy is one of the best trilogys in the history of movies and if Lucas released it with a shaddy transfer EVERYONE would pile on. Instead they are clearly making a REAL effort to have the best presentation possible and whats happening? people are piling on. classic example of how you "cant satisfy everyone".

j

so by cleaning up and fixing errors this means that they are going to digitally remove all scenes with Kate Capshaw in it? Awesome!

Jough, actually Seeker is completely correct. The Episode IV line was not added until the Empire Strikes Back came out. I have an original 1977 bootleg VHS tape to prove it. There was also a Time Magazine article from the time of ESB's release that mentions it:

http://www.theforce.net/episode2/newspics/Time_SW.jpg

(This article also mentions the planned 9-film series, with the droids as a centerpiece.)

well, I think my concern comes from these two idiots insistance on "PC'ing" their films decades after release.

You want to do what Robert Wise was able to do with Star Trek:TMP, great... Take out the matte lines and the blue halos.

But when you start adding stupid little things to the backgrounds and you start altering the storytelling to fit your perceived present-day notions of heros and who should shoot first or that a law enforcement office holding a gun is WRONG.... then you've opened the door for assho-es to go in and alter films they had nothing to do with because

"well, you know--- I never liked that one part of THE THIRD MAN. We'll just digitally take the rats out of the sewer sequence because we don't want people to think that the modern day town has rats, do we??"

sorry to turn this into a flame against speilberg and lucas but that's where my concern and will be the final decision element for me if I order it or not.

I also have an article in a British film magazine that came out while Phantom Menace was in pre-production that interviewed Mark Hamil, who said Lucas approached him to appear as an "elder" Jedi in some of the LATER films in the series, after he was done with episodes 1-3. Hamil then mentioned that it was nice to have an acting job lined up so far in advance (or something to that effect).

Nevermind the snake reflection. What about the fly? They aren't removing it, are they? I like the fly and would be willing to debate the merits of keeping it in the film.

Yeah, the more recent Lucas comments on the subject (TV Guide interview, Nov. 2001):

"Each time I do a trilogy it is ten years out of my life. I'll finish "Episode III" and I'll be 60. And the next 20 years after that I want to spend doing something other than "Star Wars." If at 80 I'm still lively and having a good time and think I can work hard for another 10 years between 80 and 90, I might consider it. But don't count on it. There's nothing written and it's not like I'm contemplating something. I'd have to start from scratch. (The idea of episodes VII, VIII and IX) was more of a media thing than it was me."



He changes his tune a lot. I've seen articles from the 1980s where he states without a doubt that there will be nine films. It wasn't a 'media' thing or a 'wishful thinking by fans' thing. These were direct quotes from his mouth.

Then, somewhere between Jedi and Phantom the mantra was "There were always going to be just 6. This is Anakin's story."

And now, he seems to be backing off that a bit and saying that 7-9 aren't planned or written, but he could always do that someday.

Who knows... honestly, I'd prefer if he moved on to other things. As he says, he only has a few decades left to make films. I'd rather see him concentrate on some experimental, indie sort of stuff than continue down the SW path. While I love Star Wars (and even enjoy the new films), I also love THX-1138 and American Graffiti. I'd love to see him branch out and try something else. Even if it is a failure commercially... who cares? At 5 billion and climbing, it's not like the guy needs the money.

its just my opinion, but if it does "change the movie" it does so for the better. The screenplay author + director wanted indy face to face with a snake... they didnt want him face to face with glass. The fly is a different matter, i mean, maybe the guy was so fanatically focused on the arc/indy that he didnt care about the stupid fly. If an actor can deliver the line without swatting at the fly as his JOB, a guy who was a fanatic should be able to do it in "real life"... right?

Each of these kinds of things can be looked at individually IMO... extras crouching in the shadows of the backround? why not take them out? certainly they are not part of the film and not intended to be seen... so why see them? I mean, if leaving mistakes in a film is the right thing to do, why edit film footage at all? films footage is edited and manipulated for a good reason.. it allows the artists (director/editor) to convey exactly what they intend to convey. Mistakes, booboos, crappy special effects etc are NOT part of the artists vision, they are the unfortunate result of technical limitations... why be a slave to such limitations?

Im 100% behind the effort ILM is making to clean up the original films. Cliche/boring/repetitive/lame Lucas bashing aside, neither jar jar nor Jabba are going to make a ILM-digital appearance in the indy trilogy dvd... so get over it and just enjoy the best trilogy in the history of film trilogys.

j

then vote with your wallet by getting the LD version instead of the new dvd trilogy.

no skin off anyone's behind.

j