The One And Only HDDVD vs. Blu-Ray Thread
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Let me see if I get this correctly. Is it any blu-ray player than downconverts to 480i automatically through component cables, or is that just the way the PS3 will be working, or did I miss the point entirely. Either way, that seems like a bad move. If it is just the PS3, it still certainly won't help bring throngs of people to the Blu-Ray camp if most people still use component, and I am guessing that the vast majority will for another few years.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Is it any blu-ray player than downconverts to 480i automatically through component cables, or is that just the way the PS3 will be working, or did I miss the point entirely.
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You can forget HD analog output from Blu-Ray. They just haven't announced it but considering Sony has gone above and beyond just the AACS copy protection and added SPDC on top of that I think it would be rather foolish to think they would allow HD thru component.
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From: Blu-Ray: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Petition
http://www.i4u.com/article3983.html
I'm guessing all issues are worked out if they already are mass producing them. Let the next-gen media battle begin!
A story (Subscription) in the Japanese Nihon Keizai Shimbun Saturday morning news paper talks about TDK's Blu-ray disc plans.
Apparently TDK is already producing 20,000 Blu-ray discs per month today. By the end of 2006 the monthly Blu-ray disc output should reach 500,000 discs.
Is TDK just producing Blu-ray discs for the Sony PS3? The whole mess over the next generation DVD format is not settled yet (HD DVD versus Blu-ray), but it looks like TDK is already moving full steam ahead supporting Sony's Blu-ray. If they do it for the Sony PS3 it makes sense. If they do it for HD movies it would be risky. Who knows what format will prevail. I just hope we end up with one and not with two.
Apparently TDK is already producing 20,000 Blu-ray discs per month today. By the end of 2006 the monthly Blu-ray disc output should reach 500,000 discs.
Is TDK just producing Blu-ray discs for the Sony PS3? The whole mess over the next generation DVD format is not settled yet (HD DVD versus Blu-ray), but it looks like TDK is already moving full steam ahead supporting Sony's Blu-ray. If they do it for the Sony PS3 it makes sense. If they do it for HD movies it would be risky. Who knows what format will prevail. I just hope we end up with one and not with two.
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The hardware/technology is done, I think. Has been for months. It's the copy protection, competition from HD-DVD, and other legal issues that are holding things up.
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From: Blu-Ray: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Petition
HOLLYWOOD, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Aug. 9, 2005--In a move to protect against illegal copying and large scale piracy while leaving consumers the flexibility to manage and enjoy copies of their legally purchased content, the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) has adopted the most comprehensive content management system ever employed on an optical disc format.
The Blu-ray content management system includes three primary components: Advanced Access Content System (AACS), "BD+", a Blu-ray-specific enhancement for content protection renewability, and ROM Mark, a measure unique to Blu-ray Disc to guard against mass production piracy or the mass duplication and sale of unauthorized copies of pre-recorded media.
"Content protection is a critical issue for next-generation media distribution," said IDC's Joshua Martin, Associate Research Analyst, Consumer Markets. "Finalizing the content protection scheme is critical for the launch of blue laser optical disc technology, and new protection schemes should allow for increased consumer flexibility while better protecting prerecorded content compared to current DVD technology."
The foundation of the Blu-ray content management system, AACS(1), is a state of the art content management system that is many times more powerful than that used in DVD. Additionally, AACS enables new consumer usage models around network functionality and internet connectivity including managing copies, in an authorized and secure manner.
In addition to AACS, the BDA took a dramatic step in the battle against mass production piracy with the adoption of ROM Mark. ROM Mark, which is unique to Blu-ray Disc, is a new technology designed specifically to thwart large scale, mass production piracy, a problem that experts estimate costs the movie industry alone in excess of $3 billion per year in lost revenue. To combat this, the ROM Mark technology embeds a unique and undetectable identifier in pre-recorded BD-ROM media such as movies, music and games. While invisible to consumers, this ROM Mark can only be mastered with equipment available to licensed BD-ROM manufacturers, essentially preventing unauthorized copies of a disc.
The BDA also adopted "BD+", a Blu-ray Disc specific programmable renewability enhancement that gives content providers an additional means to respond to organized attacks on the security system by allowing dynamic updates of compromised code. With these enhancements, content providers have a number of methods to choose from to combat hacks on Blu-ray players. Moreover, BD+ affects only players that have been attacked, as opposed to those that are vulnerable but haven't been attacked and therefore continue to operate properly.
"The level of unauthorized copying and industrial piracy associated with DVD not only jeopardizes studios and other content creators, but also results in increased costs and limited flexibility for consumers," said Maureen Weber, General Manager, of Hewlett Packard's Optical Storage Solutions. "It is good news for everyone that the BDA has adopted a series of measures that gets it right for the next disc format."
The Blu-ray content management system includes three primary components: Advanced Access Content System (AACS), "BD+", a Blu-ray-specific enhancement for content protection renewability, and ROM Mark, a measure unique to Blu-ray Disc to guard against mass production piracy or the mass duplication and sale of unauthorized copies of pre-recorded media.
"Content protection is a critical issue for next-generation media distribution," said IDC's Joshua Martin, Associate Research Analyst, Consumer Markets. "Finalizing the content protection scheme is critical for the launch of blue laser optical disc technology, and new protection schemes should allow for increased consumer flexibility while better protecting prerecorded content compared to current DVD technology."
The foundation of the Blu-ray content management system, AACS(1), is a state of the art content management system that is many times more powerful than that used in DVD. Additionally, AACS enables new consumer usage models around network functionality and internet connectivity including managing copies, in an authorized and secure manner.
In addition to AACS, the BDA took a dramatic step in the battle against mass production piracy with the adoption of ROM Mark. ROM Mark, which is unique to Blu-ray Disc, is a new technology designed specifically to thwart large scale, mass production piracy, a problem that experts estimate costs the movie industry alone in excess of $3 billion per year in lost revenue. To combat this, the ROM Mark technology embeds a unique and undetectable identifier in pre-recorded BD-ROM media such as movies, music and games. While invisible to consumers, this ROM Mark can only be mastered with equipment available to licensed BD-ROM manufacturers, essentially preventing unauthorized copies of a disc.
The BDA also adopted "BD+", a Blu-ray Disc specific programmable renewability enhancement that gives content providers an additional means to respond to organized attacks on the security system by allowing dynamic updates of compromised code. With these enhancements, content providers have a number of methods to choose from to combat hacks on Blu-ray players. Moreover, BD+ affects only players that have been attacked, as opposed to those that are vulnerable but haven't been attacked and therefore continue to operate properly.
"The level of unauthorized copying and industrial piracy associated with DVD not only jeopardizes studios and other content creators, but also results in increased costs and limited flexibility for consumers," said Maureen Weber, General Manager, of Hewlett Packard's Optical Storage Solutions. "It is good news for everyone that the BDA has adopted a series of measures that gets it right for the next disc format."
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I give it 2 months before someone hacks these "improved" measures of encryption and security.
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I think it'll take longer than 2 months, mostly just because the hackers aren't going to want to drop a grand to buy a player at launch.
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
I think it'll take longer than 2 months, mostly just because the hackers aren't going to want to drop a grand to buy a player at launch. 

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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
I think it'll take longer than 2 months, mostly just because the hackers aren't going to want to drop a grand to buy a player at launch. 

Only the early adopters will put up with limited titles and buggy first generation players after they have dropped their 1000 dollars.
Then they will get on the internet to complain about it
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Good article. Thanks for posting it. I don't actually believe it will do much to stem bootlegs, but it is probably the type of stuff that the movie studios want to hear, so that may lend more support towards BR. I think they like the cost saving idea of using the same equipment that makes DVDs to also make HD-DVDs, but if they can be shown, or lead to believe, that the added cost to set up production of Blue-Ray will be saved quickly by additional sales from the lack of bootlegs (if one buys into that theory) then it is a huge deal for Sony.
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According to the Wall Street Journal, you probably won't be seeing much in the way of HD-DVD this year.
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And neither will the overwhelming majority of consumers.
Only the early adopters will put up with limited titles and buggy first generation players after they have dropped their 1000 dollars.
Then they will get on the internet to complain about it
Only the early adopters will put up with limited titles and buggy first generation players after they have dropped their 1000 dollars.
Then they will get on the internet to complain about it

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We'll be waiting for your comments, Brian. 

I respect the discussion but I still believe that we are 1-2 years from having anything substantive to talk about.
Nearly everything so far is marketing hype, brand positioning and posturing.
When I can buy HD shot and mastered DVD's and play them on a player that is nearly free from defects, I will take notice.
Until then, I am just sitting in my theater enjoying what I have!
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And neither will the overwhelming majority of consumers.
Only the early adopters will put up with limited titles and buggy first generation players after they have dropped their 1000 dollars.
Then they will get on the internet to complain about it
Only the early adopters will put up with limited titles and buggy first generation players after they have dropped their 1000 dollars.
Then they will get on the internet to complain about it

I think the people who pay 1000 for a new Hd-dvd player will be the same ones that are putting up 500-3000 for current mid to high end dvd players. what interests me is how the hardware is brought into the lower priced market. The plan is probably to just phase out cheap dvd players with equally priced hd players, though that will take a few years.
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Lions Gate has pledged Blu-Ray support - again because of the recent DRM announcement.
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/76228/dr...y-recruit.html
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/76228/dr...y-recruit.html
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Heh. Toshiba has recently jumped onto the next generation of holographic storage media. Could they be ready to concede this round?
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Heh. Toshiba has recently jumped onto the next generation of holographic storage media. Could they be ready to concede this round?
http://www.cdfreaks.com/news2.php?ID=8067
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
I actually don't think so. The price will be the same (as the cost to print the media is cheap anyway) and people will still pay an extra $10 or so because there is some "special 2 disc set" which will make the companies continue to make them, even if they don't need to. I don't see people (on average) paying for a special edition that has the same number of discs as the regular edition.
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Off the top of my head:
Blue Ray Supporters:
Fox
Lion's Gate
Sony
Hardware-wise: Sony, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Hitachi, LG Electronics, Matsushita Electric Industrial (Panasonic), Mitsubishi Electric, Philips Electronics, Pioneer Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sharp, TDK, and Thomson Multimedia.
HD-DVD supporters
Time Warner (Warner Bros and New Line)
Paramount
Universal
Microsoft
Hardware-wise: Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, and Memory-Tech
No idea about Disney, Dreamworks.
Blue Ray Supporters:
Fox
Lion's Gate
Sony
Hardware-wise: Sony, Dell, Hewlett-Packard, Hitachi, LG Electronics, Matsushita Electric Industrial (Panasonic), Mitsubishi Electric, Philips Electronics, Pioneer Electronics, Samsung Electronics, Sharp, TDK, and Thomson Multimedia.
HD-DVD supporters
Time Warner (Warner Bros and New Line)
Paramount
Universal
Microsoft
Hardware-wise: Toshiba, NEC, Sanyo, and Memory-Tech
No idea about Disney, Dreamworks.
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Didn't realise Microsoft was in the HD-DVD camp. If thats the case they could have given the format a much needed shot in the arm by including an HD-DVD drive in the XBOX360 just as Sony is doing with the Blue Laser and the PS3.
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Well, I yanked that one off some site I was looking at a while back. It also said there might be blue-ray support too with MS, so I'm not really sure what to believe.



