The One And Only HDDVD vs. Blu-Ray Thread
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The way you posted it makes it seem they are only supporting that format. Of course that's your MO around here. Only post the information that would support Sony.
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Let me continue to fill my "MO":
Warner Bros. is expected to announce support for Blu-Ray
Intel mentioned that if Blu-Ray was to support content copying, they would throw support behind Blu-Ray. Sony announced that the format would be done by the end of the rear, and will be introduced to consumers in the Spring.
Universal and New Line are still only supporting HD-DVD. The remaining studios (Fox, Sony, Paramount, etc) will support Blu-Ray either exclusively or nonexclusively. Its interesting how the weight can shift so fast in this war.
Edit: NEC has also put support behind Blu-Ray while also supporting HD-DVD. I believe they were one of the creaters of the format, IIRC.
Warner Bros. is expected to announce support for Blu-Ray
Intel mentioned that if Blu-Ray was to support content copying, they would throw support behind Blu-Ray. Sony announced that the format would be done by the end of the rear, and will be introduced to consumers in the Spring.
Universal and New Line are still only supporting HD-DVD. The remaining studios (Fox, Sony, Paramount, etc) will support Blu-Ray either exclusively or nonexclusively. Its interesting how the weight can shift so fast in this war.
Edit: NEC has also put support behind Blu-Ray while also supporting HD-DVD. I believe they were one of the creaters of the format, IIRC.
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AOpen claims to have Blu-Ray drives available for PCs towards the end of November:
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/78692/ao...-november.html
Of course, you will have to sell one of your kidneys to get one.
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/78692/ao...-november.html
Of course, you will have to sell one of your kidneys to get one.
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I don't think that would benefit anyone. I'm hoping one format or the other ends up throwing in the towel before any product is introduced, or manufacturers make players that can somehow play both formats. I do plan on being one of the early adopters, but not if I have to buy 2 different players.
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Originally Posted by bdshort
I don't think that would benefit anyone. I'm hoping one format or the other ends up throwing in the towel before any product is introduced, or manufacturers make players that can somehow play both formats. I do plan on being one of the early adopters, but not if I have to buy 2 different players.
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At this point, I don't think its about someone "winning" and more about someone "backing down". There is a lot of money at stake, so its difficult to convince someone they are the ones who should throw in the towel. Blu-Ray has the upperhand, but I don't see Toshiba giving in any time soon.
This fight is not yet at the consumer level, and it will never have to be at that level if movie studios pick the same side. As much as they complain about wanting one format, what they really want is money. Those who are choosing HD-DVD are doing so because they think they can make more money with that format; same with the Blu-Ray folks. If these studios got together and decided on which one would give them more money, this battle would be over.
If this fights makes it to the consumer level, I don't see HD-DVD having a chance in hell. Toshiba needs to negotiate some profit sharing now, before they lose and end up with nothing.
This fight is not yet at the consumer level, and it will never have to be at that level if movie studios pick the same side. As much as they complain about wanting one format, what they really want is money. Those who are choosing HD-DVD are doing so because they think they can make more money with that format; same with the Blu-Ray folks. If these studios got together and decided on which one would give them more money, this battle would be over.
If this fights makes it to the consumer level, I don't see HD-DVD having a chance in hell. Toshiba needs to negotiate some profit sharing now, before they lose and end up with nothing.
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http://news.zdnet.com/2100-1040_22-5904171.html
HP wants managed copy and iHD, which Microsoft and Intel praised about HD-DVD.
Film studios want a locked down standard that no one can copy and computer companies want a standard that everyone can copy. Both can't be happy at the same time. I think HP is going to find that their customers want the superior technology over the ability to make endless copies of what they already own.
HP wants managed copy and iHD, which Microsoft and Intel praised about HD-DVD.
Film studios want a locked down standard that no one can copy and computer companies want a standard that everyone can copy. Both can't be happy at the same time. I think HP is going to find that their customers want the superior technology over the ability to make endless copies of what they already own.
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An industry tech group is declaring Blu-Ray the "winner" of the battle. Is this the final word? I doubt it....
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20051019/...blu_ray_dvd_dc
Technology group Forrester Research on Wednesday declared Blu-Ray, a new DVD format backed by electronics makers led by Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news) as the winner in a heated battle over next-generation DVD technology.
"Two groups are competing for control of high-definition DVD formats to be launched in the spring of 2006. After a long and tedious run up to launch, it is now clear to Forrester that the Sony-led Blu-Ray format will win," said Forrester Research analyst Ted Schadler in a report.
For years the Sony group and a rival set of companies led by Toshiba Corp which back HD DVD technology have been locked in a heated battle over whose standards will be used to make a new generation of DVD players that promise consumers sharper pictures and manufacturers new revenues.
A key to which technology wins has been the support of Hollywood's major film studios, which until only recently had been split evenly with three majors supporting Blu-Ray and three behind HD-DVD. Both formats deliver movies in sharp high-definition and store more data than traditional DVDs, enabling them to offer interactive features such as games.
Earlier this month, however, Paramount Home Entertainment said it would release digital movies in the Blu-Ray format, becoming the first major studio to support both rival formats.
Paramount, owned by Viacom Inc., had previously said it would release titles in HD DVD. Paramount's support of Blu-Ray was prompted by the failure of the two factions to join forces before the new high-definition DVD players went on sale, industry sources have said.
HD DVD supporter Warner Bros. has declined to comment on reports it may soon follow Paramount's lead by endorsing both.
FORMAT WAR, BAD IDEA
The formats are incompatible, which Hollywood fears will lead to consumer confusion. Industry watchers believe one format will ultimately win like in the case of the high-stakes home video battle between VHS and Betamax in the 1980s.
Schadler of Forrester said in his report that Sony learned from its painful Betamax loss that the format with the most industry support will win, and it set out years ago to assemble an "impregnable lineup of partners."
He said a format battle would be risky for both sides. "Unless the HD DVD group abandons the field, it will be another two years before consumers are confident enough of the winner to think about buying a new format DVD player. In the meantime, they will expand their video on-demand, downloadable video, and Internet viewing habits," he said.
Sony and Toshiba held high-level talks earlier this year to try to unify their formats and avoid an all-out standards war, but those discussions broke down.
Backers of HD DVD were not immediately available to comment on the Forrester report, but in an interview earlier this week, HD DVD spokesman Mark Knox said he believes two formats will ultimately reach the market but that HD DVD remains hopeful a unified format will be agreed upon.
"Our position has not changed. We're always open to finding a way to unify the format, but we want to make sure every parameter is available for discussion, whether its on the disc structure, file format," and other issues, he said.
"Let's lay everything on the table and do our due diligence. Unfortunately some of the replies we have received, are that some of the parameters, particularly on the disc structure, are not up for discussion," he said.
"Two groups are competing for control of high-definition DVD formats to be launched in the spring of 2006. After a long and tedious run up to launch, it is now clear to Forrester that the Sony-led Blu-Ray format will win," said Forrester Research analyst Ted Schadler in a report.
For years the Sony group and a rival set of companies led by Toshiba Corp which back HD DVD technology have been locked in a heated battle over whose standards will be used to make a new generation of DVD players that promise consumers sharper pictures and manufacturers new revenues.
A key to which technology wins has been the support of Hollywood's major film studios, which until only recently had been split evenly with three majors supporting Blu-Ray and three behind HD-DVD. Both formats deliver movies in sharp high-definition and store more data than traditional DVDs, enabling them to offer interactive features such as games.
Earlier this month, however, Paramount Home Entertainment said it would release digital movies in the Blu-Ray format, becoming the first major studio to support both rival formats.
Paramount, owned by Viacom Inc., had previously said it would release titles in HD DVD. Paramount's support of Blu-Ray was prompted by the failure of the two factions to join forces before the new high-definition DVD players went on sale, industry sources have said.
HD DVD supporter Warner Bros. has declined to comment on reports it may soon follow Paramount's lead by endorsing both.
FORMAT WAR, BAD IDEA
The formats are incompatible, which Hollywood fears will lead to consumer confusion. Industry watchers believe one format will ultimately win like in the case of the high-stakes home video battle between VHS and Betamax in the 1980s.
Schadler of Forrester said in his report that Sony learned from its painful Betamax loss that the format with the most industry support will win, and it set out years ago to assemble an "impregnable lineup of partners."
He said a format battle would be risky for both sides. "Unless the HD DVD group abandons the field, it will be another two years before consumers are confident enough of the winner to think about buying a new format DVD player. In the meantime, they will expand their video on-demand, downloadable video, and Internet viewing habits," he said.
Sony and Toshiba held high-level talks earlier this year to try to unify their formats and avoid an all-out standards war, but those discussions broke down.
Backers of HD DVD were not immediately available to comment on the Forrester report, but in an interview earlier this week, HD DVD spokesman Mark Knox said he believes two formats will ultimately reach the market but that HD DVD remains hopeful a unified format will be agreed upon.
"Our position has not changed. We're always open to finding a way to unify the format, but we want to make sure every parameter is available for discussion, whether its on the disc structure, file format," and other issues, he said.
"Let's lay everything on the table and do our due diligence. Unfortunately some of the replies we have received, are that some of the parameters, particularly on the disc structure, are not up for discussion," he said.
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It's now official, Warner Bros has pledged support to Blu-Ray but still plans to release on HD-DVD.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1874771,00.asp
Looks like Universal is the only one holding back.
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,1874771,00.asp
Looks like Universal is the only one holding back.
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The next question would be....how much of a market will there actually be for this? Goobers like us will surely dig in, but how about the majority of people who are happy as hell with S-video?
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
The next question would be....how much of a market will there actually be for this? Goobers like us will surely dig in, but how about the majority of people who are happy as hell with S-video?
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
It's not going to be much of an issue. I'm sure eventually they'll stop selling plain DVD players. If they were smart, that's what they'd do immediately so people would be forced to have one in their houses.
It is like the step from the Xbox to the Xbox360. The jump is not nearly as big as the jump from the original playstation to the PS2, etc.
I think this is obviously a case of trying to convince people they need something because sales are slowing for the current technology. Sometimes makers can convince people they need to upgrade, and sometimes they can't.
As an example, look how SACD sales have been, and it is an analogous upgrade over CDs. CDs were a huge leap from cassettes as were DVDs over VHS, but this next leap is not nearly as big.
But it should be interesting. I doubt I'll be an early adopter, though.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
As an example, look how SACD sales have been, and it is an analogous upgrade over CDs. CDs were a huge leap from cassettes as were DVDs over VHS, but this next leap is not nearly as big.
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Looks like Blu-Ray adopts Managed Copy, but denies iHD:
http://www.techtree.com/techtree/jsp...231&cat_id=581
I'm a little surprised that movie studios agreed to managed copy, but not surprised that Sony wouldn't adopt a Microsoft driven iHD.
In yet another interesting twist to the never-ending Blu-ray vs HD DVD Gen-Next format war, camp Blu-ray has declared that it will not adopt the proposal put forward by Hewlett-Packard.
HP, which has long been a supporter of the Blu-Ray format, said in October that if two technologies it considered important to PC users - iHD and Mandatory Managed Copy - were not included in Blu-ray's specifications, the company would consider switching over to Toshiba-led HD-DVD.
Mandatory Managed Copy lets users legally copy DVDs, and store the digital file on a home network; while iHD offers new interactive features, and is slated to be implemented in Microsoft's Vista operating system.
Blu-ray has announced that it will incorporate Mandatory Managed Copy, but will launch it in Spring 2006, with interactive features based on Sun Microsystems' Java software.
A spokesperson for Blu-ray said that while HP's request is being taken seriously and Mandatory Managed Copy will be part of the Blu-ray format, the Blu-ray group is not willing to delay the launch of the format, and will go forward with the Java-type option.
Maureen Weber, general manager - personal storage, personal systems group, HP, said that if Blu-ray remains committed to its latest stance, HP will adopt a more neutral position vs. being an exclusive Blu-ray supporter. She also said that if Blu-ray is unable to incorporate technologies that HP thinks are critical for the PC architecture, HP will be more neutral. The company will think of cost and implementation across the board. Potentially, it could support both HD DVD and Blu-ray. She added that people will see HP supporting both formats, in various trade show booths.
In a separate development, Microsoft has re-affirmed its support of the HD-DVD format. The format also enjoys Intel's support. But whatever HP, Microsoft and the rest might say, the fact of the matter is that current consensus seems to be in favor of the Blu-ray format.
With billions of dollars at stake, as the electronics, computer, movie and television industries gear-up for a technology change, it looks like the Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD format war might leave behind utterly confused consumers, besides proving an expensive loss for so many companies involved.
HP, which has long been a supporter of the Blu-Ray format, said in October that if two technologies it considered important to PC users - iHD and Mandatory Managed Copy - were not included in Blu-ray's specifications, the company would consider switching over to Toshiba-led HD-DVD.
Mandatory Managed Copy lets users legally copy DVDs, and store the digital file on a home network; while iHD offers new interactive features, and is slated to be implemented in Microsoft's Vista operating system.
Blu-ray has announced that it will incorporate Mandatory Managed Copy, but will launch it in Spring 2006, with interactive features based on Sun Microsystems' Java software.
A spokesperson for Blu-ray said that while HP's request is being taken seriously and Mandatory Managed Copy will be part of the Blu-ray format, the Blu-ray group is not willing to delay the launch of the format, and will go forward with the Java-type option.
Maureen Weber, general manager - personal storage, personal systems group, HP, said that if Blu-ray remains committed to its latest stance, HP will adopt a more neutral position vs. being an exclusive Blu-ray supporter. She also said that if Blu-ray is unable to incorporate technologies that HP thinks are critical for the PC architecture, HP will be more neutral. The company will think of cost and implementation across the board. Potentially, it could support both HD DVD and Blu-ray. She added that people will see HP supporting both formats, in various trade show booths.
In a separate development, Microsoft has re-affirmed its support of the HD-DVD format. The format also enjoys Intel's support. But whatever HP, Microsoft and the rest might say, the fact of the matter is that current consensus seems to be in favor of the Blu-ray format.
With billions of dollars at stake, as the electronics, computer, movie and television industries gear-up for a technology change, it looks like the Blu-ray vs. HD-DVD format war might leave behind utterly confused consumers, besides proving an expensive loss for so many companies involved.
I'm a little surprised that movie studios agreed to managed copy, but not surprised that Sony wouldn't adopt a Microsoft driven iHD.




