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Old 02-17-13 | 04:27 PM
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I think grossly incorrect names should be wrong, but that's just me. Typos or honest mistakes are one thing, but those come off as random stabs at an answer.
I agree with this.
Old 02-17-13 | 05:11 PM
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...and should i count Galactus and the Beyonder as villains? or as "non-aligned entities" as Wikipedia considers them.
My two cents -- I would count Galactus as a villain but not the Beyonder.
Old 02-17-13 | 10:22 PM
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I say everyone's wrong on that one! In no way influenced by the fact that I had no idea and guessed (incorrectly) Magneto.
Old 02-17-13 | 10:27 PM
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Since my work schedule is packed tomorrow and it seems likely I'll miss the live results, let me work in Aquaman superpower images (BTW, I hope everyone chose his mighty power of being able to talk to fish!)





Old 02-17-13 | 10:51 PM
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The New 52 Aquaman is one of the best current comics actually. I remember back when the New 52 first started Aquaman was in the top ten sales charts for several months in a row, and not a single Marvel comic made the top ten. That means Aquaman was outselling everything by Marvel, including Spider-Man, Avengers, and X-Men.

The New 52 Aquaman also isn't afraid to poke fun at the whole stereotype of Aquaman being lame. Some scans:















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Old 02-17-13 | 11:38 PM
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The New 52 Aquaman also isn't afraid to poke fun at the whole stereotype of Aquaman being lame. Some scans:
Well for my sake, I hope more people thought of the lame Superfriends version of Aquaman than the comics version of the character.

He was pretty bad-ass in Justice League Unlimited though. My favorite scene of his was when Downpour (aka Zan of the Wonder Twins) was pounding him with water. And Aquaman just stood there, before telling Downpour "King of Sea, remember?" with a smirk. And then he bitchslaps him!
Old 02-17-13 | 11:50 PM
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Well for my sake, I hope more people thought of the lame Superfriends version of Aquaman than the comics version of the character.
I certainly did think of the general perception of Aquaman being lame. Its a sheep game of what the average person would think, not what my honest opinion of the character is. Several of my answers don't reflect my actual opinion. The worst character death and best Robin are two others that come immediately to mind.
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I generally like Geoff Johns, but the whole "Hey, let's make a joke out of the fact that everyone thinks Aquaman is lame" thing was ... well, lame. It's one thing for the readers to think he's lame. There's no reason anybody in the DCU would think he was lame. I mean, I don't care how much you like Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol, if you see Steve Nash in a restaurant (or, to analogize to the scene with cops, you see him shooting hoops on a playground court), you are not going to rip on him. So I get that fans think he's a doofus, but there's no way the average citizen of the DCU should think that.

And, as an aside, there have been some awesome Aquaman stories over the years. Check out Aquaman: Death of a Prince (which reprints some great late 70s stories) or some of the stories Peter David did in the 90s. Great stuff.

OK, off my soapbox. Bring on the sheep!
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I generally like Geoff Johns, but the whole "Hey, let's make a joke out of the fact that everyone thinks Aquaman is lame" thing was ... well, lame. It's one thing for the readers to think he's lame. There's no reason anybody in the DCU would think he was lame. I mean, I don't care how much you like Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol, if you see Steve Nash in a restaurant (or, to analogize to the scene with cops, you see him shooting hoops on a playground court), you are not going to rip on him. So I get that fans think he's a doofus, but there's no way the average citizen of the DCU should think that.

And, as an aside, there have been some awesome Aquaman stories over the years. Check out Aquaman: Death of a Prince (which reprints some great late 70s stories) or some of the stories Peter David did in the 90s. Great stuff.

OK, off my soapbox. Bring on the sheep!
Well you have to remember that the New 52 basically reset continuity with all new origins and new beginnings for many characters, so the DCU citizens likely didn't know much about Aquaman in the first few issues when Geoff Johns was doing all those jokes.

I agree with Peter David's 90s Aquaman run being really good. It was one of the better comics of the 90s. The only thing I didn't particularly care for was the thing with piranhas eating Aquaman's hand and having it replaced with a harpoon, but I know that was just the trend of making every character EXXXXTREME in the 90s.
Old 02-18-13 | 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by JasonF
I generally like Geoff Johns, but the whole "Hey, let's make a joke out of the fact that everyone thinks Aquaman is lame" thing was ... well, lame. It's one thing for the readers to think he's lame. There's no reason anybody in the DCU would think he was lame. I mean, I don't care how much you like Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol, if you see Steve Nash in a restaurant (or, to analogize to the scene with cops, you see him shooting hoops on a playground court), you are not going to rip on him. So I get that fans think he's a doofus, but there's no way the average citizen of the DCU should think that.
While there may be no reason for people in the dcu to think he is lame, it is totally believable that someone might say something if they did think that. Some people are d-bags and say things like that to pro athletes or celebrities.
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Old 02-18-13 | 11:16 AM
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You may have already decided what you're doing with these, but I figured I'd chime in.

Originally Posted by ivelostr2
Okay, here are a few questions for the group.


1. Did the Ultimate version of Jubilee ever come to the 616?
2. Did alternate / future versions of Wolverine or Charles X ever come to the 616?
3. Does the Beyonder count as a villain in Secret Wars?
4. Should I accept partial names as characters? For example, if the question was. Name a Batman villain and the person answering said crocodile, instead of Killer Croc, should I count it as correc?.
5. Is Excalibur and X-Calibre the same thing?
1. Not that I know of, but I haven't read any X-men since 2006-ish.
2. see above
3. My first instinct is yes, but in doing some research I realize he was much more of a "villain" in Secret Wars II, which is what I think of when I think of the Beyonder. I could go either way on that one. Galactus I think should definitely be labeled a villain.
4. Already discussed in pretty good depth, but I will echo the statements regarding Rocket Raccoon. Any form of Raccoon should probably be counted. Obviously whoever submitted Rocky Raccoon had some basis to their answer and didn't just pull that name out of nowhere, unless their strategy when they don't have an answer is to just name random Beatles songs.
5. No. As mentioned before, X-Calibre is the AoA version of the team. And wasn't Nightcrawler really the only common link between the two?
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3. My first instinct is yes, but in doing some research I realize he was much more of a "villain" in Secret Wars II, which is what I think of when I think of the Beyonder. I could go either way on that one. Galactus I think should definitely be labeled a villain.
Secret Wars II...

The first Secret Wars revealed the Beyonder to be one of the most powerful cosmic beings who swatted down Galactus as if he was nothing more than a common housefly.

Then the Secret Wars II where the Beyonder has to be potty trained by Spider-Man...
Old 02-18-13 | 11:57 AM
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ivelostr2 just told me he is going to be a little late.
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I've read a handful of the New 52 series, and Aquaman was probably the best, to my surprise.

Originally Posted by JasonF
And, as an aside, there have been some awesome Aquaman stories over the years. Check out Aquaman: Death of a Prince (which reprints some great late 70s stories) or some of the stories Peter David did in the 90s. Great stuff.
I got Death of a Prince for the Aparo art and am looking forward to reading it knowing that the stories are also quality.
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Sorry guys, i had to assess a family today that was supposed to be a piece of cake and poof suddenly there is as ton of trauma to go through. Im just getting out, so i won't be able to post until later tonight....i may just get through s couple questions tonight and then see what i can get through tomorrow late morning and afternoon
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Can't you just abandon that family to tragedy so that we may be entertained a little sooner than we otherwise would be?
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Originally Posted by JasonF
I generally like Geoff Johns, but the whole "Hey, let's make a joke out of the fact that everyone thinks Aquaman is lame" thing was ... well, lame. It's one thing for the readers to think he's lame. There's no reason anybody in the DCU would think he was lame. I mean, I don't care how much you like Kobe Bryant and Pau Gasol, if you see Steve Nash in a restaurant (or, to analogize to the scene with cops, you see him shooting hoops on a playground court), you are not going to rip on him. So I get that fans think he's a doofus, but there's no way the average citizen of the DCU should think that.

And, as an aside, there have been some awesome Aquaman stories over the years. Check out Aquaman: Death of a Prince (which reprints some great late 70s stories) or some of the stories Peter David did in the 90s. Great stuff.

OK, off my soapbox. Bring on the sheep!
Totally agree, no one inside the DCU would think Aquaman is lame. Does anyone call out Namor, who is basically an Aquaman rip-off? Sure, Aquaman might be the weakest member of the original JLA, but that is still better than most of the other heroes.

And I will state publicly, I never thought the Superfriends version that everyone rips on was a lame character. The lamest thing about that version was the way every time the story called for it, coincidentally there was a body of water around for Aquaman to use his talents.
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The lamest thing about that version was the way every time the story called for it, coincidentally there was a body of water around for Aquaman to use his talents.
Joke's on you...70% of the earth is covered in water.
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Totally agree, no one inside the DCU would think Aquaman is lame. Does anyone call out Namor, who is basically an Aquaman rip-off? Sure, Aquaman might be the weakest member of the original JLA, but that is still better than most of the other heroes.
I was thinking about Namor too, but Marvel did a better job of emphasizing his physical strength. Aquaman should have that too from swimming in the ocean depths, but is anyone going to choose that answer in our Sheep game? Not likely.
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I was very tempted to use all my slams on question 1, because talking to fish and breathing underwater were the only answers that seemed sheepy. But I chickened out at the last minute.
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Does anyone call out Namor, who is basically an Aquaman rip-off?
Although Namor debuted two years before Aquaman (making Aquaman the Namor rip-off).
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Marvel emphasized Namor's strength outside of the water. It always seemed in the superfriends that Aquaman was in water.
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It always seemed in the superfriends that Aquaman was in water.
Or else he was catching a ride with Wonder Woman



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