I thought the woman sitting is Lois. It kind of looks like a possible superman symbol on her ring finger of the left hand.

Just finished:

re: Final Crisis.

So, they pissed all over Kirby's New Gods in favor of...this?

The first third of Final Crisis #2 was set in Japan as imagined by someone who has only read about Japan on the internet and featured a bunch of characters never before seen in the DC Universe along with a single obscure Jack Kirby character.

Seriously -- someone at DC approved this shit?

I liked it a lot better than the first issue. I'm still trying to wrap my head around what's happening, but the story is shaping up and starting to get interesting. It's very 52-esque in the various plot threads happening all over the place. I don't know which New God Sonny Sumo is supposed to be, but that was one badass introduction for him.

And if you don't like what they've done to the New Gods. Don't worry, just close your eyes and count to three, and before you know it things will be back to the status quo before you know it.

This is yet another example of how Grant Morrison's themes and ideas are usually better in concept than in execution.

I just read Final Crisis #1 and I'm sooo confused.

Why is the JL acting like they don't know who the New Gods are? As if they've barely had contact? Hell, SUPERMAN WAS PRESENT WHEN ORION WAS IN THE FINAL DAYS OF HIS LIFE!!! Maybe there's a reason for this.


Either way, other than Big Barda, Mister Miracle, and 1 or 2 other female New Gods I never really cared for the concept. So if they're reincarnating them as Earthly characters who may or may not know of their past that's fine with me.

The next big event from DC will be "Final Crisis Countdown Retcon", where they explain all the inconsistencies between Countdown and Final Crisis.

I thought this was a "Crisis Trilogy"?

I'm glad you mentioned that because I was wondering if I missed something (and I probably did since I don't read too many DC books). Given a few of the events of issue 2 I'm wondering if this whole thing is taking place outside regular continuity (and I use that word with all intended sarcasm). Anyway, 'Robo, as you say, maybe there's a reason.

Personally I loved both issues of FC - I haven't read any of Kirby's New Gods series so I'm not up on the history, but I love how Grant is tying FC in with the Seven Soldiers maxi-series from a couple years ago. I'm going to have to pull out all the issues from SS to see if i pick up on anything else.

Hey, cut Morrison a break. It's not like he's got any reason to know that the Justice League has met the New Gods. Oh, sure ... maybe if he were a former writer of Justice League who had included Orion and Big Barda as members of his Justice League roster ... maybe then we might expect him to realize that the League knows the New Gods. But it's not like that ever happened.



Wait ... what?

Yeah, but that cover has Superman Blue on it. Obviously any thing that even references Superman Blue in the slightest is to be forgotten. I think they even purged Superman Blue related material from the DC Vault.

Superman Blue was really ridiculous, but Morrison made him badass in JLA.

I don't have the issues in front of me, but aren't the only characters that acted like they didn't know Orion were John Stewart and Hal? Neither of them were in Morrison's JLA, and who knows if Cosmic Odyssey is still in continuity anymore.

No. It was the "Big 3" or the "Trinity" of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. That's why I pointed out that it was weird that they were seemingly ignorant of the "New Gods", when Superman was with Orion during his final days(Death of the New Gods" miniseries).

As far as The Lanterns, Hal seemed to know more about Orion and the gang than John while at the "crime scene".

Some people have suggested that the Trinity were speaking of the New Gods like that for the benefit of some of the new JLAers who might not have dealt with them before, like Vixen or Speedy. I don't know if that's the case or not.

I do really enjoy when long standing characters meet or are introduced to other long standing characters. Everyone in the DCU should know who characters like Superman, Wonder Woman, and the Flash are. But it should stand to reason that not everyone would know Big Barda or The Question. I wish this was a device that was used more.

I filled the cup after finally seeing this issue..



I love Bianchi's artwork. However, the story was lacking. CSI:X-Men?

Warren Ellis has really, really lost his touch with his mainstream work. His strength is creator-owned.

Anyone else pick up this month's wizard and notice that they had no monthly comic previews? did I miss something or has Wizard finally just admitted that they no longer write anything important when it comes to the comic industry other than to generate hype for comic book movies?

I'm way behind, but just finished reading the second Sinestro Wars trade, and started into the Tales of the Sinestro Corp. Wow. One of those books that you go into expecting to read only one chapter at a time, only to read all in one sitting. I felt it jumped around a little too much, but the Tales books filled in the gaps nicely (especially the reasoning behind Superboy Prime teaming up with Anti Monitor, the one he should hate the most). I don't quite buy that the Earth Superheroes couldn't hold their own here, but hey, it's a GL story after all.

Next up is the last Y the Last Man trade... I might go back and re-read the previous 9 volumes first...

Anyone reading the Batman: R.I.P. run?

I'm only buying Batman and Detective for the Batman: RIP storyline, not buying Robin or Nightwing or any other titles. So far, it's been meh.

I'm really enjoying Batman RIP - I know when all is said and done it'll be like Morrison's run on New X-Men where you find that he has had clues spread throughout the entire series as to the identity of the villian.

I'm collecting them but I'm behind on my comic reading.

After the recent development regarding Nightwing, i'm wondering how he can have a solo book at all. So far it's been just Bats book, but once the other ones kick in, I really wish DC would bring back the Superman triangles so I know what order to read them in. Hell, I wish everyone would do that..