Nick Danger

Mrhan did, in post 71.

whotony

time for a new scanner.

MovieExchange

Ahhh. My eyes had pretty much glazed over by that point. But still, 3 pages before someone mentioned it. Back when the Liefeld hate really ran hot, that was the first reason brought up as to why he was hated.

calhoun07

Some examples of his swiping:
New Mutants 100 vs Ronin #1



Rob Liefeld<-->Yoshitomi

Captain America vol2 6 vs Captain America 110



And something else drawn from his gay porn collection:

ytrez

The pic below makes the one above look like Davinci in comparison:

ytrez

Other swipes:















And I could swear there was a swipe of the shot of Byrne's savage land from an issue of Uncanny X-Men that I can't find.

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MartinBlank

Holy shit! How was he able to get away with shit like this?!

madcougar

Wow. This website is brutal. But it made for some good laughs - who am I kidding? This thing had me in tears. I'm not sure why so many people HATE this guy. He wasn't the best artist by far, but certainly not the worst.

boredsilly

I LOVE when the swipe police attack! It seems like such a no brainer to not do that shit, but people still do to this day.

I get a kick out of seeing how obvious they are.

MartinBlank

Does this happen a lot? I've heard about it for years from stand-up comics, but never about comic books.

madcougar

There used to be a really good website with swipes, but I can't remember off hand. As I recall, Liefeld was featured prominently along with dozens of other artists.

Nick Danger

A couple of those "swipes" aren't really that bad. Obviously both artists had seen pictures of Rambo with his machine gun. And the Wolverine pose is straight from "Drawing the Marvel Way". It's probably something that Kirby invented.

Granted, most of them are flagrant.

MartinBlank

http://imagecomics.com/messageboard/...ic.php?t=20545

Mordred

Yeah, I could probably find a dozen Wolverine poses exactly like that from a dozen different artists. The one with the guy leaping like the green lantern isn't all that bad either. The rest are pretty obvious though.

boredsilly

I don't know, I think they're all pretty bad. Sure Wolverine is in that pose dozens of times in various comics, but whenever you can lay one image over another and they match up perfectly? You've got a problem.

If you look at the one that swiped the leaping Guy Gardner GL, the hands are exactly the same.

boredsilly

A lot of these don't seem like swipes to me, so much as homages.

scarredgod

you must be a tarantino fan.

fujishig

I still say Roger Cruz was the worst at this (maybe he still is? haven't seen his work for quite some time). His style changed depending on who he copied.

redskull

The hate probably stems from the fact that he fell ass-backwards into a career and lifestyle that most comic fans can only begin to dream about.

According to him he went to a comic con, and like everyone else showed his work to someone from Marvel or DC (who if there is any justice in the universe has since been fired) but unlike everyone else he was hired on the spot. He then was given a high profile book at Marvel, and within months pretty much everyone there was either trying to or was commanded to draw like him.

But it didn't stop there--he was approached to make the 501 jeans commercial, then got together with a bunch of his artist pals, said "screw you!' to Marvel, and left to start his own company with his own "original" characters.

That seemed to be where the hate really being to ramp up. His 4-issue "Youngblood" miniseries was still unfinished over a year after the first issue was printed. He then began starting up new titles like crazy, most of which never saw a 2nd or 3rd issue. Most of his "original" characters were copies of his earlier characters which were themselves copies of Marvel properties.

Then just to prove the universe makes no sense, he was actually hired back by Marvel (the company he basically told to f-off) in order to help roll out their "Heroes Reborn" debacle.

Oh yeah, there's also the fact that he can't draw his way out of a paper bag, and the constant and blatant swiping. You'd think someone who swiped poses as much as he does would be able to draw better.

ytrez

Are you kidding me?!?!?!?!

Look at the position of the fingers on both hands in both pictures!

madcougar

Redskull, tell me how you really feel. Seriously, I get all that but considering that there are so many actors, singers and others who basically are talentless hacks who somehow make it huge (Dane Cook comes to mind for me), it amazes me that years (YEARS!) after that 501 commercial, people still bring it up. The guy has gotten his comupence!

story

Jae Lee.

whotony

jae lee what?

whotony

a very large % of those are just reprints with a new artist drawing the cover art.

except for a few like this one.


and this one

DonnachaOne

I assume you're suggesting he's somehow worse than Liefeld, but I can't agree. Granted, up until ten minutes ago I only knew his work from a reprint of Bram Stoker's Dracula that featured several color inserts of his artwork, and I found it very impressive. A quick googling gave me this site of Lee's artwork and I have to say he knows proper anatomical structure, the rules of perspective and how to give a face - and image - emotion, all of which make him far better than the sadsack Liefeld.