Ask Ethan Van Sciver how that has worked out for him. Again, shooting down on colleagues is frown upon in the industry. Rob dismissing an entire decade, one that had the Abnett and Lanning Guardians of the Galaxy, Fraction's Sex Criminal and Iron Man, Miles Morales, Kamala Khan, Hickman's Fantastic Four, X-men, SHIELD and his Image stuff, and Scott Snyder's run on Batman and Swamp Thing. There are so many great books in the past 10 years. Yeah, there's some crap too, but dismissing everything as shit is disrespectful to a new level.

It seems Liefeld is imploding. Over the past 2 years he has had feuds with both CGC and CBCS, lost half of his properties, feuded with both Marvel and DC, feuded with Disney and now dismissing his colleagues with his twitter rants. He sounds like a spoiled brat and whatever goodwill he's gotten because of Deadpool is now getting lost with this.

One minute he was one of the hottest artists in the industry, doing Flash:Rebirth next thing I know he’s doing a YouTube channel going after criticizing “SJW” stuff.

Yeah, maybe there’s no angle, he’s just a jerk. I don’t know who started it, but the way he spoke of Alan Moore seemed highly unprofessional.

I thought the early mid 2000s wasn’t very good personally. After Batman “Hush” DC wasn’t coming with very good stuff from their big name titles. Marvel I wasn’t paying as much attention to. But the entire decade? Any Marvel/DC title with Mike Allred was gold. Image’s Phonogram was brilliant. Aside from DC’s Identity Crisis era and Marvel’s OMD fiasco it was a good decade.

I’d be curious to know what was a good decade to him? The 90s had some good stuff but I mostly view it as the bad decade because of the speculator market and the style over substance approach to comics at the time.

It seems like there’s not much substance to his art OR his public persona. Everything I read from him seems incredibly shallow.

The sad thing is that he actually knows about comics. I've seen him in action at the Marvel offices giving pointers and helping editors adjust stuff and it's pretty clear he has the knowledge. His problem has always been focus and being polite. He goes from 0 to 100 in a sec and puts his foot in his mouth more often than not.

And every decade has good and bad stuff. Just like movies, and other art mediums, there a great comics, there are good ones and there are bad ones. To say that any decade is bad is a disservice to everyone involved in the industry because what Liefeld is saying simply isn't true. He's had a grudge now for a while with Hickman. Don't know why other than the recent X-books aren't his cup of tea. Again, tastes vary and for the first time since the Morrison run, the X-Men books are actually good.

Not defending EVS but his first Indiegogo made $538,456. Then he did another one right after for a variant cover of the same book that made $90,378. Then for a year, he did more variants and got around $60k for each and upwards of $250k for various campaigns. That was for 1 product.

He's got a new campaign going on for the sequel that's currently at a whopping $872,156. He's completely embraced the bad boy image and turned his back on the comic industry and people still throw money at him. A lot of money.

So I ran across a TPB of Captain America from '96 or so featuring Liefeld's work, and it looked atrocious. He's got artistic ability (in the physical, hand/eye coordination sense), but no taste or sense of proportion.

Man, is he bad.

That is probably the worst of his work, with that one shot with the massive chest like his signature "ridicule Liefeld" work. Then he basically got fired from it and used his sketches to create a comic based around another patriotic hero who's rights he bought but who still looked exactly like Captain America with a shield and a female Bucky, until Marvel sued him and he had to ditch the shield.

Yeah, he successfully parlayed his association with Comicsgate and Fandom Menace into a nice ride on the wingnut welfare gravy train.

Yeah, he may raised all that money, but to this day, he still hasn't delivered the product. He's a con artist through and through.

Wait, what? Was there something missing in those tweets, because it looked like Rob was saying he liked Kirkman.

As for the 2000's, maybe I'm biased because that was the last time I was totally plugged into new stuff, but I thought that was a great decade. Marvel had a real renaissance and it was the last time their line felt cohesive and manageable before they went #1/reboot crazy in the 2010's.

Rob sucks. Attention seeking with no talent.

Wait, this sounds familiar...

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...ns/description

and then he moved it here (which I think violates some kickstarter rules, but whatever):
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/brigade--2#/

though I guess technically he is shipping some stuff out.

Yeah, he's very similar to EVS. Liefeld got kicked out of kickstarter because of not delivering the goods people paid for. I don't know why he hasn't worked or finished this. I'm pretty sure he has ADD, but he should still be able to focus and work on this project and deliver the goods to those who paid.

I'm not sure how Ethan Van Sciver got brought into this conversation about Rob. Ethan is one of the best modern comic book artists and I still wish he was doing DC books.

Is Rob actually working on anything at the moment? I doubt we see him back at the big two this decade. Or has he become a full-time Twitter celebrity?

Speaking as someone who saw the 90s first-hand, you'd have to be fucking nuts to give to any comic book creator's Kickstarter. Especially Liefeld.

It's hard enough for publishers to get artists to park their asses at their drafting table and draw pages, let alone on what amounts to a pre-paid handshake deal.

There are plenty of nightmare stories out there about people paying artists for commissions, and either getting substandard work or jack shit in return. And, as the months go by with no artwork, or even updates, they act like you're the asshole for asking them when they'll deliver the commission.

Both of them are shitting on the industry and have taken advantage of their fans by doing kickstarters and then not fulfilling them.

BTW, did you guys know Van Sciver was a member on this forum for a while?
https://forum.dvdtalk.com/members/ethan-vansciver.html
Hasn't posted in almost 10 years though.

Ethan is a total piece of trash and I’ll never buy a book with him involved.

And I’ve had good luck on Kickstarters so far, but have heard the horror stories.

But back to Rob, I’ve never hated his work, I’m fine with art being all over the place in reality, but I’ve never liked it much either. He’s entertaining to listen to, and you gotta love his passion for the industry, but he’s too in love with himself. His fifteen minutes would have died out a long time ago if Joe Kelly and others didn’t turn his bland Deadpool into something interesting.

Say what you will about Liefeld, but he did manage to give The New Mutants the swift kick in the ass they needed after meandering around aimlessly for several years.

Wow, Ethan Van Sciver -- I still have a bunch of those early issues of Cyberfrog from the mid-90's. I was still in high school when those came out. Good stuff. I didn't know he was a prick, though.

Unreal! How would Rob even be able to place third when it comes to artistic talent?

Well, he's third when 1st and 2nd are "literally any other comic artist." So I guess he's above most other non-artists?

Give me a week to learn proper technique and I'm better than Rob Liefeld...

Oh yeah, I remember those days, tons of missed deadlines and delayed books, especially from the Image guys. Even back then I was never a Liefeld fan, I always wondered what all the fuss was for work that I considered to be ugly to look at, honestly.

And now Liefeld has his own podcast on Spotify:

https://open.spotify.com/show/4QA2bL...wsuDoUBqBxhnVk