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Recently, I discovered Exiles. Picked up the first trade on a whim and enjoyed it very much. Picked up the second trade yesterday and just read it through. For those who haven't read it, it's a fun series about a group of characters who go from one parallel world to another. On each world, they have a mission they must accomplish. Then they get sent to the next. Think "Sliders" with X-Men characters. If you like seeing alternate versions of the Marvel Universe, it's worth picking up.
Can anyone give me background on some of the characters?
Morph -- Is he based on any pre-existing character?
Mimic -- I know he's an old school (pre-"All New, All Different") character. Has this version (long-standing member of the X-Men) appeared anywhere prior to Exiles?
Thunderbird -- Has this version (you-know-who did you-know-what to him) appeared anywhere prior to Exiles?
Blink -- I understand she appeared in Age of Apocolypse. Has there been a version of her on the main Marvel Earth?
Nocturne -- Obviously no version of her appeared on the main Marvel Earth, given her origins. Was she a pre-existing alternate reality character, or new for the series?
Magnus -- Same situation as Nocturne -- did Winnick make him up for the series, or was he new?
No spoilers for any issues of Exiles beyond the second collection (issue #11), please!
Can anyone give me background on some of the characters?
Morph -- Is he based on any pre-existing character?
Mimic -- I know he's an old school (pre-"All New, All Different") character. Has this version (long-standing member of the X-Men) appeared anywhere prior to Exiles?
Thunderbird -- Has this version (you-know-who did you-know-what to him) appeared anywhere prior to Exiles?
Blink -- I understand she appeared in Age of Apocolypse. Has there been a version of her on the main Marvel Earth?
Nocturne -- Obviously no version of her appeared on the main Marvel Earth, given her origins. Was she a pre-existing alternate reality character, or new for the series?
Magnus -- Same situation as Nocturne -- did Winnick make him up for the series, or was he new?
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No spoilers for any issues of Exiles beyond the second collection (issue #11), please!
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Blink is the only one that had really been around before. I didn't read AoA, but I think Morph was in that, but it was a different Morph. Morph's first appearance was actually in the first episode of the 90s X-men cartoon. I think a couple of the characters made their first appearance here: http://www.cbdb.com/action.lasso?-da...595170&-search
That was basically just a sketch book kind of thing, various artists trying out new characters and new takes on old characters.
I'm really sad that Exiles has been so mediocre under Tony Bedard. The first couple years of the series was so great and the only work of Winick's that I've loved. After Winick leaves the first time, the title goes down a little in quality and when he leaves the second time the title goes way down in quality. During the first hiatus, Chuck Austen delivered some of the only comics I've really liked from him.
That was basically just a sketch book kind of thing, various artists trying out new characters and new takes on old characters.
I'm really sad that Exiles has been so mediocre under Tony Bedard. The first couple years of the series was so great and the only work of Winick's that I've loved. After Winick leaves the first time, the title goes down a little in quality and when he leaves the second time the title goes way down in quality. During the first hiatus, Chuck Austen delivered some of the only comics I've really liked from him.
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Thanks for the info, nny. Do you know which issues Winnick wrote?
I said earlier that I picked up the first TPB on a whim. After I posted, I remembered that isn't true. The real reason I picked it up is because I had heard that the Exiles were traveling to the New Universe. My local shop only had the second issue of the New U storyline, but I liked it enough to check out the first TPB. Maybe this means I'll enjoy Bedard's run in general.
I said earlier that I picked up the first TPB on a whim. After I posted, I remembered that isn't true. The real reason I picked it up is because I had heard that the Exiles were traveling to the New Universe. My local shop only had the second issue of the New U storyline, but I liked it enough to check out the first TPB. Maybe this means I'll enjoy Bedard's run in general.
#129
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Originally Posted by nny
Blink is the only one that had really been around before. I didn't read AoA, but I think Morph was in that, but it was a different Morph. Morph's first appearance was actually in the first episode of the 90s X-men cartoon.
Mimic (616, so not this version)was actually a member of the old X-men joining in issue #27 where he hung around for about three or four issues before quitting. He was mostly forgotten until the mid 90s when he briefly appeared in X-Force as a villain. Later it was determined he had lost his powers (I think this happened in 1997/98 also in X-Force but I am less certain of the specifics).
This is the first time this version of Thunderbird appeared.
Blink was an integral character of AoA and did appear in the 616 universe as the character Clarice Ferguson during the Generation Next issues of the Phalanx Covenent (X-men #37, #38 and Uncanny X-men #316, #317).
Nocturne and Magnus are new for the series.
As for the other character she is basically new, although really just a combination of two pre-existing characters. Since I can't remember if they revealed her real name or not yet, I will not expand on that subject.
Disclaimer - all issue numbers are from memory and may be slightly off.
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Originally Posted by Mhepburn20
Mimic (616, so not this version)was actually a member of the old X-men joining in issue #27 where he hung around for about three or four issues before quitting. He was mostly forgotten until the mid 90s when he briefly appeared in X-Force as a villain. Later it was determined he had lost his powers (I think this happened in 1997/98 also in X-Force but I am less certain of the specifics).
I also remember Changeling (not that I read his stories, but I read about him in the old OHOTMU). I had no idea Morph was supposed to be a version of Changeling.
They mentioned who new character was, but since
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I picked up the first few Exiles trades, though I got tired of the concept after some time (plus the art seemed sporadic). Does it get any better/different later?
Finally read the OMAC trade. Man it's tough to not only wait for trades, but also for a monthly shipment. Next is Days of Vengeance. I'm finally beginning to understand what's going on.
Kudos to DC for doing a great job with the trade. Great summaries of the backgrounds of the characters I didn't know about (since I don't read Batman) and issues that they skip over. Decent pricepoint too. Unlike the Prelude to Infinite Crisis trade that I couldn't really follow.
Finally read the OMAC trade. Man it's tough to not only wait for trades, but also for a monthly shipment. Next is Days of Vengeance. I'm finally beginning to understand what's going on.
Kudos to DC for doing a great job with the trade. Great summaries of the backgrounds of the characters I didn't know about (since I don't read Batman) and issues that they skip over. Decent pricepoint too. Unlike the Prelude to Infinite Crisis trade that I couldn't really follow.
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I'm this close to going all trade, too Fuji. I'm going through my comics making a list of all those that I'm willing to get rid of and I'm realizing that I kind of want to get rid of them all. If that's the case, I might be a trade guy in no time. Heck, if it weren't for the deals on DCBS, I might already be.
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If I knew for a fact that all of the series I buy would be out in trade in short order, I would too. But stuff like Gotham Central is 2+ years behind and may never catch up.
Perhaps I need to do a closer look as to what issue I'm on and what issue the corresponding trades are on. Sounds like a Christmas weekend project.
Perhaps I need to do a closer look as to what issue I'm on and what issue the corresponding trades are on. Sounds like a Christmas weekend project.
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Well, for another thing: I would go from buying long-boxes and stuffing comics away in a closet to buying bookshelves and displaying trades in the open of my bedroom.
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That's what I did... though the number of trades I now have is overwhelming my poor bookshelf.
With a lot of stuff, there's no guarantee that it'll be collected, but pretty much everything Marvel will eventually be (sometimes within weeks of the last issue coming out). DC seems a little more random, but the monthly titles I still collect (Teen Titans, JSA, JSA Classified, Legion, Superman/Batman) will inevitably be collected... I'm just too lazy to make the transition after collecting the monthlies for so long (and I like them enough to support them). But for Infinite Crisis, I knew they would collect all the ancilliary issues (I am collecting the series monthly, just not reading it until I catch up). Image is a little more iffy... I still have no clue how and why Larsen decides to break out a new Savage Dragon tpb. He's got a huge break in the middle too.
Of course, for a title like Gotham Central (and stuff like Invincible) that has borderline popularity as it is, it might be a good idea to stick with the monthlies just to see it continue.
With a lot of stuff, there's no guarantee that it'll be collected, but pretty much everything Marvel will eventually be (sometimes within weeks of the last issue coming out). DC seems a little more random, but the monthly titles I still collect (Teen Titans, JSA, JSA Classified, Legion, Superman/Batman) will inevitably be collected... I'm just too lazy to make the transition after collecting the monthlies for so long (and I like them enough to support them). But for Infinite Crisis, I knew they would collect all the ancilliary issues (I am collecting the series monthly, just not reading it until I catch up). Image is a little more iffy... I still have no clue how and why Larsen decides to break out a new Savage Dragon tpb. He's got a huge break in the middle too.
Of course, for a title like Gotham Central (and stuff like Invincible) that has borderline popularity as it is, it might be a good idea to stick with the monthlies just to see it continue.
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Captain Atom: Armeggedon #3 (Cap is SO bad ass in this, I hope he stays in the WS universe and gets a regular running book with this creative team)
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Jeph Loebs son died back in the summer and it threw off the schedule of all his books. I think the last Loeb issue is 25 and his son helped with that issue or something.
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I like Jeph's work quite a bit. Everyone seems pretty down on his upcoming Ultimates 3 though. I'll continue to check it out because I'm a fan.
My friend and I were talking about Inifnite Crisis yesterday and he mentioned that Jeph and Geoff actually shared an office at DC and he was surprised that Jeph wasn't involved more with Crisis like Rucka and Winick. I hope his exit to Marvel wasn't on bad terms. I like his Marvel stuff, but his DC books have been a lot more fun for me. Looks like a lot of people are getting forced out of DC. Some of that is good though - Devin Grayson comes to mind.
I'm going to follow up with a couple of big posts I found today that includes the big DC post-crisis comic news/52 news that is supposed to be in tomorrows issue of Wizard. I think a lot of you will enjoy this. This just saved me spending $5 on that rag, although I do hear they have a LARGE 28 page article on Superman Returns.
My friend and I were talking about Inifnite Crisis yesterday and he mentioned that Jeph and Geoff actually shared an office at DC and he was surprised that Jeph wasn't involved more with Crisis like Rucka and Winick. I hope his exit to Marvel wasn't on bad terms. I like his Marvel stuff, but his DC books have been a lot more fun for me. Looks like a lot of people are getting forced out of DC. Some of that is good though - Devin Grayson comes to mind.
I'm going to follow up with a couple of big posts I found today that includes the big DC post-crisis comic news/52 news that is supposed to be in tomorrows issue of Wizard. I think a lot of you will enjoy this. This just saved me spending $5 on that rag, although I do hear they have a LARGE 28 page article on Superman Returns.
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Okay, I'm still a month behind in my reading. But I just read Supergirl 2-3... is it just me, or is this whole storyline crap? Issue 2, she goes to meet Superboy, they fight. She breaks Superboy's jaw then resets it, ending their fight... and then the Titans attack her for little reason (I read Titans, so I know the whole Superboy/Luthor thing, but it still made little sense). At the end of that issue, Starfire comes to get her, and issue 3 opens with her fighting the Outsiders (for practice?) with the Outsiders using Kryptonite to limit her powers? Kara kisses Nightwing? Then they mysteriously find Luthor in the middle of the desert? Is this part of some larger plan that I'm having trouble seeing, or is this book just crap? Not to mention that Churchill's art isn't the best... they should've gotten Benes back on this book.
Also read the post-Liefeld issue of Teen Titans, which also didn't make much sense to me. Uh... Red Hood attacks Robin because... uh, why again? Why isn't this just an issue of Robin? Where the hell did Donna Troy, Bumblebee and Herald come from? Why is the art so crappy (while still better than the previous two issues?)
Maybe I'm just holding them up to a higher standard after reading the OMAC trade. I think Legion is getting better, but JSA is kinda losing me with the huge, epic storylines one after another. Supes/Batman hasn't been seen in a while (and I was having trouble following that pseudo-Ultimates/Bizarro story anyway), but JSA Classified has been great.
Also read the post-Liefeld issue of Teen Titans, which also didn't make much sense to me. Uh... Red Hood attacks Robin because... uh, why again? Why isn't this just an issue of Robin? Where the hell did Donna Troy, Bumblebee and Herald come from? Why is the art so crappy (while still better than the previous two issues?)
Maybe I'm just holding them up to a higher standard after reading the OMAC trade. I think Legion is getting better, but JSA is kinda losing me with the huge, epic storylines one after another. Supes/Batman hasn't been seen in a while (and I was having trouble following that pseudo-Ultimates/Bizarro story anyway), but JSA Classified has been great.
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I was pretty interested in Supergirl when it first started, but I dropped it with this month's order.
I've been reading current JSA for a few months now, all while catching up on the trades. I agree, it's been far too long without a break in tone and they should dial down the "epicness" for a couple storylines. Hopefully, after Crisis.
I've been reading current JSA for a few months now, all while catching up on the trades. I agree, it's been far too long without a break in tone and they should dial down the "epicness" for a couple storylines. Hopefully, after Crisis.
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I have to say that this blurb from the above Wizard article (no spoilers) doesn't leave me with a lot of confidence in the future of Supergirl:
Supergirl
Kara's got a new writer, Greg Rucka. joining artist Ian Churchill as well as a new foe famillar to readers of the Superman titles. "She's Supergirl. That should ge great, but it sucks," says Rucka. "We're going to show just how much it sucks and what she does to make it great."
Also, why is Johns off of JSA? And where did McKone go? I don't want Daniels on Titans!
Supergirl
Kara's got a new writer, Greg Rucka. joining artist Ian Churchill as well as a new foe famillar to readers of the Superman titles. "She's Supergirl. That should ge great, but it sucks," says Rucka. "We're going to show just how much it sucks and what she does to make it great."
Also, why is Johns off of JSA? And where did McKone go? I don't want Daniels on Titans!
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