**SPOILERS** Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix [open discussion]
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Yes thats his problem he really seems to agree with whom ever is incharge and he does this to get himself more power and this will must likely be is downfall as if voltermont offers him more power he will most likely join as he sees it as a way to gain power
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Doesn't your example tend to contradict your position? I've always rather thought that Percy's problem was simple blind ambition.
Doesn't your example tend to contradict your position? I've always rather thought that Percy's problem was simple blind ambition.
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Well, I just finished the book, and I have to admit I was a little disappointed, especially after all the hype and waiting. But I enjoyed it nonetheless. This book had a lot less action, instead focusing more on character development, which I don’t necessarily think is a bad thing considering this is the 5th book in the series. But I felt she could have trimmed at least 200 pages if she really wanted too, or at least added in more action.
I loved the scenes where Dumbledore says, “Well, it’s just that you seem to be laboring under the delusion that I am going to – what is the phrase? Come quietly. I am afraid I am not going to come quietly at all, Cornelius.” Then of course Dumbledore opens up a can of whoopass. God I loved that.
I was a little annoyed with how Harry acted throughout the book. Sure, in this book he was at his boiling point at the same time he was growing pubes, but it still didn’t seem all that believable. I wonder how long we’ll have to wait for the 6th book? All hell has kind of broke loose now, so it’s impossible to think that Harry can ever finish school under normal circumstances. I think the professors should take that into consideration.
The book ends with so much going on, I’d have a hard time believing J.K. isn’t working on the next one right now as we speak. You just know it’s going to be a long one again, so she definitely has her work cut out for her.
Even though I didn’t like this one as much as the third and fourth books, I still enjoyed it and greatly look forward to all the rest. Although I didn’t get any housework done for the two days I was reading it. I don’t think the wife appreciated that one too much.
I loved the scenes where Dumbledore says, “Well, it’s just that you seem to be laboring under the delusion that I am going to – what is the phrase? Come quietly. I am afraid I am not going to come quietly at all, Cornelius.” Then of course Dumbledore opens up a can of whoopass. God I loved that.
I was a little annoyed with how Harry acted throughout the book. Sure, in this book he was at his boiling point at the same time he was growing pubes, but it still didn’t seem all that believable. I wonder how long we’ll have to wait for the 6th book? All hell has kind of broke loose now, so it’s impossible to think that Harry can ever finish school under normal circumstances. I think the professors should take that into consideration.
The book ends with so much going on, I’d have a hard time believing J.K. isn’t working on the next one right now as we speak. You just know it’s going to be a long one again, so she definitely has her work cut out for her.
Even though I didn’t like this one as much as the third and fourth books, I still enjoyed it and greatly look forward to all the rest. Although I didn’t get any housework done for the two days I was reading it. I don’t think the wife appreciated that one too much.
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Book five was in progress for three years. She just got distracted by the movies and by a case of writer's block. Hopefully that won't happen again, but I'd be shocked if the movies didn't interfere again.
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Originally posted by sherm42
Not really when you consider that the Ministry of Magic is the authority, even higher than Headmaster of the school.
Not really when you consider that the Ministry of Magic is the authority, even higher than Headmaster of the school.
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Book five was in progress for three years. She just got distracted by the movies and by a case of writer's block. Hopefully that won't happen again, but I'd be shocked if the movies didn't interfere again.
Book five was in progress for three years. She just got distracted by the movies and by a case of writer's block. Hopefully that won't happen again, but I'd be shocked if the movies didn't interfere again.
I don't think that the movies had anything to do with it really as she was not that involved.
I think it won't be three years again before book 6 comes. I could see quite a wait before book 7.
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I think I also heard her say that book 5 was by far the most difficult to write, mainly due to the subject manner. (Harry going through puberty, and the big death)
That's interesting that she's started on another non-Harry Potter novel. Wonder what that'll be like?
That's interesting that she's started on another non-Harry Potter novel. Wonder what that'll be like?
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Now, what's everyone's opinion on this character?
I've been thinking how she was introduced and how she was so conveniently in tune with Harry on several incidents - the flying animals that only she could see along with Harry.
She must have a larger role in the following books, also, I think that her not being injured in the big battle at the Ministry of Magic was suspicious - or do you think Rowling just threw that in to add a bit of mystery?
I've been thinking how she was introduced and how she was so conveniently in tune with Harry on several incidents - the flying animals that only she could see along with Harry.
She must have a larger role in the following books, also, I think that her not being injured in the big battle at the Ministry of Magic was suspicious - or do you think Rowling just threw that in to add a bit of mystery?
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I think her claim to fame and reason of being introduced was simply to get another paper in it. though the ending with her and harry seemed like it was going to lead to something else.
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Originally posted by sherm42
My wife and I were discussing who should be cast in the role of Professor Umbridge when/if they get to filming Order of the Phoenix.
My choice: Judi Dench
My wife and I were discussing who should be cast in the role of Professor Umbridge when/if they get to filming Order of the Phoenix.
My choice: Judi Dench
Holy #$%^, you win the prize! I couldn't possibly think of a better choice.
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Originally posted by sherm42
Regarding Harry's anger issues, didn't anyone else get the impression that despite the normal teenage angst, that Harry's anger might be so extreme due to being infulenced by Voldemort? I felt that he was so quick to get angry because of his link with Voldemort. That the dark feelings and thoughts of Voldemort were causing a general feeling of anger in Harry that made it difficult if not impossible to empty his mind of emotions. Just a thought.
Regarding Harry's anger issues, didn't anyone else get the impression that despite the normal teenage angst, that Harry's anger might be so extreme due to being infulenced by Voldemort? I felt that he was so quick to get angry because of his link with Voldemort. That the dark feelings and thoughts of Voldemort were causing a general feeling of anger in Harry that made it difficult if not impossible to empty his mind of emotions. Just a thought.
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Originally posted by ricwhite
I really don't know why so many people think Harry and Ginny will become romantically involved. I guess for many it stems from the fact that Ginny had a pre-teen crush on Harry which, by the way, is long over. Ginny has not shown any signs of extreme attaction toward Harry since that time.
I really don't know why so many people think Harry and Ginny will become romantically involved. I guess for many it stems from the fact that Ginny had a pre-teen crush on Harry which, by the way, is long over. Ginny has not shown any signs of extreme attaction toward Harry since that time.
Maybe Dean is the second choice because she doesn't think Harry is interested? It's possible.
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Originally posted by Hobgoblin
Also, Lucius Malfoy knew thru Kreacher where Sirius was hiding and that the order of the phoenix was assembling at Grimmauld place. So why did not he tip off Fudge?
Also, Lucius Malfoy knew thru Kreacher where Sirius was hiding and that the order of the phoenix was assembling at Grimmauld place. So why did not he tip off Fudge?
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Originally posted by Birrman54
yea she [Linda Hunt] doesn't fit the "frog" description. But she is short, and she could definately pull off the "attitude" that Umbridge had throughout the book.
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yea she [Linda Hunt] doesn't fit the "frog" description. But she is short, and she could definately pull off the "attitude" that Umbridge had throughout the book.
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Cho chang is a year older then harry and this will be her last year at hogwarts ( years 3 quiditich match with raven claw states when she is introduce she is a 4 year then)
Which will give jk plenty of time to hook up ginny and harry in year 7 and I think the seeds of it should be set in year 6 and hopefully ron and herminoe.
I just saw pictures from the set of hp and poa and I am horrified. No uniforms for the kids. wrong wrong wrong. they are walking around in muggle clothing at school no way.
Which will give jk plenty of time to hook up ginny and harry in year 7 and I think the seeds of it should be set in year 6 and hopefully ron and herminoe.
I just saw pictures from the set of hp and poa and I am horrified. No uniforms for the kids. wrong wrong wrong. they are walking around in muggle clothing at school no way.
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I just saw pictures from the set of hp and poa and I am horrified. No uniforms for the kids. wrong wrong wrong. they are walking around in muggle clothing at school no way.
I just saw pictures from the set of hp and poa and I am horrified. No uniforms for the kids. wrong wrong wrong. they are walking around in muggle clothing at school no way.
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Originally posted by Nefarious
That doesn't sit so well w/ me either. Especially since it's a major contradiction to the books. What makes it worse is that they are dressed in today's "hip" fashions which I think could end up dating the movie. That would be unfortunate since it's an alteration of the original material.
That doesn't sit so well w/ me either. Especially since it's a major contradiction to the books. What makes it worse is that they are dressed in today's "hip" fashions which I think could end up dating the movie. That would be unfortunate since it's an alteration of the original material.
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They wont be wearing normal cloths during regular school hours. those pictures look like the kids are going to hogsmade. it makes sense for them to have a free dress during that time.
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
They wont be wearing normal cloths during regular school hours. those pictures look like the kids are going to hogsmade. it makes sense for them to have a free dress during that time.
They wont be wearing normal cloths during regular school hours. those pictures look like the kids are going to hogsmade. it makes sense for them to have a free dress during that time.
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And you think that a beat up Ford Anglia doesn't date COS? I for one think it's a nice change from the dreary robes. I'm not much of a fan of the movies anyway, but what I've seen looks leagues more promising than Chris "I have no visual style whatsoever" Columbus's previous adaptations.
And you think that a beat up Ford Anglia doesn't date COS? I for one think it's a nice change from the dreary robes. I'm not much of a fan of the movies anyway, but what I've seen looks leagues more promising than Chris "I have no visual style whatsoever" Columbus's previous adaptations.
I'm a little surprised you don't think the previous movies had visual style. Certainly not something I would have expressed about them. Narrative flow...that's another issue...
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My boyfriend and I were taking turns reading HP5 out loud for the last few weeks and finished Friday night after a marathon session.
I really missed trying to figure out who the mystery bad guy was, as in the previous books. I loved to hate Delores "hem hem" Umbridge but it is just not the same. Plus like a lot of you, I wanted her flamed! I did get tired of the same froggy metaphor.
It was long. Although I didn't notice that until we were done. And once when I left it on the floor and tripped on it. Perhaps she is worth too much for editors to be honest? I think breaking it down into two books (Book 5: Semester 1 and Book 5: Semester 2) might have eased the wait and brought in more cash. And I'd gladly have paid the extra to lessen the wait
I was surprised Percy wasn't mentioned in the closing chapters. I expected something.
"Lord Thingy" just flat made me laugh out loud
I also enjoyed the removal of Harry's dad as a walk-on-water hero figure and the depth of Ginny's character this book.
Why on earth didn't Dumbledore lift Harry's lifetime ban on Quidditch? His broom is still in the dungeon! Maybe it is a testament to his loss of Sirius that he isn't thinking about it?
-- Jenny
I really missed trying to figure out who the mystery bad guy was, as in the previous books. I loved to hate Delores "hem hem" Umbridge but it is just not the same. Plus like a lot of you, I wanted her flamed! I did get tired of the same froggy metaphor.
It was long. Although I didn't notice that until we were done. And once when I left it on the floor and tripped on it. Perhaps she is worth too much for editors to be honest? I think breaking it down into two books (Book 5: Semester 1 and Book 5: Semester 2) might have eased the wait and brought in more cash. And I'd gladly have paid the extra to lessen the wait
I was surprised Percy wasn't mentioned in the closing chapters. I expected something.
"Lord Thingy" just flat made me laugh out loud
I also enjoyed the removal of Harry's dad as a walk-on-water hero figure and the depth of Ginny's character this book.
Why on earth didn't Dumbledore lift Harry's lifetime ban on Quidditch? His broom is still in the dungeon! Maybe it is a testament to his loss of Sirius that he isn't thinking about it?
-- Jenny
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Originally posted by Jackskeleton
I'm sure the life time ban and his broom is free. It's just minor info that really isn't needed for the book.
I'm sure the life time ban and his broom is free. It's just minor info that really isn't needed for the book.
Maybe it is just that "stuff" (ie girls, sports) etc is suddenly not your whole life when someone you love has died?
-- Jenny