**SPOILERS** Harry Potter & the Order of the Phoenix [open discussion]
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Originally posted by Sparrow
I agree, there should be serious consequences for Umbridge's actions - at a minimum a short stay in prison. Her character was detestable.
I agree, there should be serious consequences for Umbridge's actions - at a minimum a short stay in prison. Her character was detestable.
I'm still hoping for a Harry/Ginny relationship.
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There's not much point in putting her in prison unless they find some new guards. I'd imagine that they won't do much to her, and too much punishment might send her over to Lord Thingy (althought I'd love to see her try her "hem, hem" routine while he's talking).
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My list of detestable characters - Most nasty to least:
1. Umbridge
2. Kreacher
3. Percy
4. Marietta
5. Fudge
Percy's hatred for Dumbledore took me by surprise though. His malicious glee at Dumbledore getting caught was nasty and offensive. I hope he gets paid in full in the coming novels. Kreacher and Umbridge deserve to be roasted over a slow fire.
1. Umbridge
2. Kreacher
3. Percy
4. Marietta
5. Fudge
Percy's hatred for Dumbledore took me by surprise though. His malicious glee at Dumbledore getting caught was nasty and offensive. I hope he gets paid in full in the coming novels. Kreacher and Umbridge deserve to be roasted over a slow fire.
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I think the ministry should give permission to those who fight lord thingy to use "avada kedavra" on their opponents. Otherwise, our heroes are using pen knives (stupefy, impedimenta, petrificus etc) to fight against guns (crucio, avada kedavra).
I also dont get the reason why the death eaters bothered to cast stupefy spells against Harry's team instead of avada kedavra. It was Harry who was not supposed to be kedavra-ed or stupefied because he may drop the prophecy and break it. Malfoy clearly gave instructiions for the others to be kedavra-ed.
I also dont get the reason why the death eaters bothered to cast stupefy spells against Harry's team instead of avada kedavra. It was Harry who was not supposed to be kedavra-ed or stupefied because he may drop the prophecy and break it. Malfoy clearly gave instructiions for the others to be kedavra-ed.
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Maybe not all of the death eaters are strong enough to cast avada kedavra- it may take more hateful power than some of them have and it probably takes more concentration and energy than something like stupify.
I don't think other wizards should be allowed to use avada kedavra- I don't think they should really be punished if they do decide to use it I don't think it's a good idea to encourage its use. Those curses involve a lot of hate and it would be better for the good side to stay away from hate (although torturing Percy sounds like fun).
Hopefully Harry will find a better way to kill lord thingy, I would prefer it if he'd already cast his last unforgivable curse.
I do wonder if Percy will return home- he may have gone too far to go back. I'm sure his parents would take him but I doubt that his siblings would be so understanding. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next book now that the ministry's position has changed.
I don't think other wizards should be allowed to use avada kedavra- I don't think they should really be punished if they do decide to use it I don't think it's a good idea to encourage its use. Those curses involve a lot of hate and it would be better for the good side to stay away from hate (although torturing Percy sounds like fun).
Hopefully Harry will find a better way to kill lord thingy, I would prefer it if he'd already cast his last unforgivable curse.
I do wonder if Percy will return home- he may have gone too far to go back. I'm sure his parents would take him but I doubt that his siblings would be so understanding. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next book now that the ministry's position has changed.
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Aurors got that permission the last time from Crouch senior, I'm assuming that permission is no longer valid. It didn't work too well for Barty to be so aggressive so no one else may want to start up that rule again. If there's enough fear going around then I could see it happening, but I don't think it would really be in anyone's best interest.
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As far as the unforgivible curses go: I see it (again) kind of like a tie to star wars. The emporer feeds off of the hate the Luke has for him and Darth Vader and it makes him stronger the more Luke hates. In Harry Potter's world, I think the more the (good) guys use the unforgivible curses the closer they are to the 'dark' side. The death eaters were all good guys too, once.
And I imagine we are not through with Percy yet...
And I imagine we are not through with Percy yet...
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I always thought that Linda Hunt would be a perfect Umbridge.
This picture isn't that good, but she's the woman all the way on the left.
This picture isn't that good, but she's the woman all the way on the left.
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Or if you watch The Practice, she plays the semi-recurring role of Judge Hiller.
Or if you watch The Practice, she plays the semi-recurring role of Judge Hiller.
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Originally posted by Easy
No way. I like Linda Hunt and just can't see her as Umbridge. I pictured Umbridge as a 5 foot nothing, female, Jabba the Hutt lookalike. Rowling kept describing her as a frog and that is the picture that kept leaping to mind.
No way. I like Linda Hunt and just can't see her as Umbridge. I pictured Umbridge as a 5 foot nothing, female, Jabba the Hutt lookalike. Rowling kept describing her as a frog and that is the picture that kept leaping to mind.
Frog...leaping to mind! hahahahahaha
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Originally posted by Easy
No way. I like Linda Hunt and just can't see her as Umbridge. I pictured Umbridge as a 5 foot nothing, female, Jabba the Hutt lookalike. Rowling kept describing her as a frog and that is the picture that kept leaping to mind.
No way. I like Linda Hunt and just can't see her as Umbridge. I pictured Umbridge as a 5 foot nothing, female, Jabba the Hutt lookalike. Rowling kept describing her as a frog and that is the picture that kept leaping to mind.
yea she doesn't fit the "frog" description. But she is short, and she could definately pull off the "attitude" that Umbridge had throughout the book.
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Originally posted by Bandoman
I didn't mind the lack of Quidditch. Griffindor won the house cup by beating Ravenclaw in the match that Harry and Hermione missed when they went with Hagrid to meet Grawp.
I didn't mind the lack of Quidditch. Griffindor won the house cup by beating Ravenclaw in the match that Harry and Hermione missed when they went with Hagrid to meet Grawp.
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Originally posted by hotaru_san
*snip* I'd imagine that they won't do much to her, and too much punishment might send her over to Lord Thingy (althought I'd love to see her try her "hem, hem" routine while he's talking).
*snip* I'd imagine that they won't do much to her, and too much punishment might send her over to Lord Thingy (althought I'd love to see her try her "hem, hem" routine while he's talking).
That would be hilarious. There were a few instances in this book that were more comedic than I expected, especially the crack from McGonagall to Peeves: "It unscrews the other way", in reference to destroying the chandelier.
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Umbridge would have to be a CGI character - she's just too toadish and I wonder who would take that role - it would have to be an actor with a tremendous amount of self-esteem and self confidence.
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Originally posted by Hobgoblin
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Percy's hatred for Dumbledore took me by surprise though. His malicious glee at Dumbledore getting caught was nasty and offensive. I hope he gets paid in full in the coming novels. Kreacher and Umbridge deserve to be roasted over a slow fire.
*snip*
Percy's hatred for Dumbledore took me by surprise though. His malicious glee at Dumbledore getting caught was nasty and offensive. I hope he gets paid in full in the coming novels. Kreacher and Umbridge deserve to be roasted over a slow fire.
My take on this is that he is in the Order of the Phoenix and he is playing this anti-Dumbledore role to the hilt. Percy will be a hero by the end of the series.
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I doubt it. Percy is simply of the type of personality that always believes authority. Too much faith in those in charge.
You can see glimpse of his disapproval of how Dumbledore does things in Prisioner of Azkaban. After an attack by Sirius, Dumbledore refuses to let the Dementors into the school to search and Percy seems to seriously disagree with him.
You can see glimpse of his disapproval of how Dumbledore does things in Prisioner of Azkaban. After an attack by Sirius, Dumbledore refuses to let the Dementors into the school to search and Percy seems to seriously disagree with him.
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</small>Well, maybe if Miriam Margolyes hadn't already played a part....
.... and I'm guessing that Imelda Staunton is far too smiley to fit the bill!
Originally posted by Sparrow
Umbridge would have to be a CGI character - she's just too toadish and I wonder who would take that role - it would have to be an actor with a tremendous amount of self-esteem and self confidence.
Umbridge would have to be a CGI character - she's just too toadish and I wonder who would take that role - it would have to be an actor with a tremendous amount of self-esteem and self confidence.
.... and I'm guessing that Imelda Staunton is far too smiley to fit the bill!
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Originally posted by sherm42
I doubt it. Percy is simply of the type of personality that always believes authority. Too much faith in those in charge.
You can see glimpse of his disapproval of how Dumbledore does things in Prisioner of Azkaban. After an attack by Sirius, Dumbledore refuses to let the Dementors into the school to search and Percy seems to seriously disagree with him.
I doubt it. Percy is simply of the type of personality that always believes authority. Too much faith in those in charge.
You can see glimpse of his disapproval of how Dumbledore does things in Prisioner of Azkaban. After an attack by Sirius, Dumbledore refuses to let the Dementors into the school to search and Percy seems to seriously disagree with him.