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Greg MacGuffin 12-26-07 07:21 PM

Need some help, but I'm not sure if this is the right place to ask.

I'm looking to purchase the Neon Genesis Death & Rebirth/End of Evangelion box set.

Can anyone tell me if this is a legitimate release?

http://www.amazon.com/Neon-Genesis-E...8718369&sr=1-2

I'm not looking to purchase a bootleg, so I thought I'd check here before I made the purchase.

Thanks in advance.

GHackmann 12-26-07 09:11 PM

All four listings in the Amazon.com Marketplace are bootlegs.

WTK 12-26-07 09:59 PM

GHackmann is correct. All four listings are bootlegs. In this case, the all region coded DVD and one disc are your clues for it being a bootleg product.

strawberryshortcake 12-31-07 09:57 PM

Is this normal or a *defect* in the BLACK HEAVEN anime boxset dvd packaging? It's still brand new, factory sealed. Notice the left upper and lower hand corners.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...venBoxset4.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...venBoxset3.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...venBoxset2.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a3...venBoxset1.jpg

WTK 12-31-07 10:55 PM


Originally Posted by strawberry99
Is this normal or a *defect* in the BLACK HEAVEN anime boxset dvd packaging? It's still brand new, factory sealed. Notice the left upper and lower hand corners.

That is normal setup for a bailey box. I'm not sure why you would think it's defective.

strawberryshortcake 12-31-07 11:33 PM


Originally Posted by WTK
That is normal setup for a bailey box. I'm not sure why you would think it's defective.

Good to know. Thanks. *Damage* because I guess I don't see why it needed to be *cut* like so, exposing the artwork to the box. I would have figured protecting the artwork would have made more sense.

This is simply my first bailey box; never had a bailey box prior. I guess I also shouldn't worry when the Sol Bianca's bailey box is ordered either. I can sleep well now. :)


Plus, I've seen anime boxset listed with the following:

I *think* they're called this (what exactly are these?):

Alpha box
M- box
Brick boxset, etc.

Are there other boxset descriptions, and photographs to the above examples? Maybe it's been answered in the past, but are there exact photographs to these sort of packaging here on the forum (or elsewhere on the net)?

DVD Polizei 01-01-08 01:04 AM

Yeah, it's normal. I can say for all the purchases I've made with them, if you receive anything from Rightstuf, they have the best shipping for box sets. FYI, the pics look like my own Black Heaven set as well.

Takeshi357 01-01-08 11:24 AM


Originally Posted by WTK
GHackmann is correct. All four listings are bootlegs. In this case, the all region coded DVD and one disc are your clues for it being a bootleg product.

I don't get it. Why would anyone want a bootleg version since there's a perfectly legal release of both movies?

LorenzoL 01-01-08 11:28 AM

I need help in regards to a purchase.

I'm looking to buy the steel case version of Trigun that was released by Geneon. There were two volumes that was released and was wondering if first of all they contain all of the Trigun episodes and how are they in regards to PQ and sound?

McHawkson 01-01-08 12:00 PM

Who watched Chrono Crusade on one of Showtime channel yesterday? It ran marathon.

Maxflier 01-01-08 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by LorenzoL
I need help in regards to a purchase.

I'm looking to buy the steel case version of Trigun that was released by Geneon. There were two volumes that was released and was wondering if first of all they contain all of the Trigun episodes and how are they in regards to PQ and sound?

The 2 volumes together do contain all 26 episodes of the series.
Can't comment on PQ and sound as i'm not a fan of this particular show.

McHawkson 01-01-08 08:45 PM

Gunslinger Girl second season will air in Japan on January 7, 2008. It would be called "Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino-".

Okay, how long till it release in USA? 2009?

Abe. 01-02-08 05:22 PM


Originally Posted by Maxflier
The 2 volumes together do contain all 26 episodes of the series.
Can't comment on PQ and sound as i'm not a fan of this particular show.

I'm not 100% sure if the PQ is better, but I know the audio is much improved.

Dragon Fly 01-02-08 10:14 PM


Originally Posted by McHawkson
Gunslinger Girl second season will air in Japan on January 7, 2008. It would be called "Gunslinger Girl -Il Teatrino-".

Okay, how long till it release in USA? 2009?

That's FUNimation probably. Depending on how quickly they work on licensing I'd say we could be looking at November/December of 2008. I think Gunslinger Girl was a popular series for them.

strawberryshortcake 01-03-08 12:24 AM

The following is from the december' anime bargain thread:


Originally Posted by WTK
I have all the LEs included up to Vol.10. To me the artboxes and OSTs are worth it, but the manga is more or less up to the individual.

* Vol.01: Artbox, Manga Vol.1, Original Soundtrack CD, & T-Shirt
* Vol.03: Manga Vol.2 & T-Shirt
* Vol.05: Manga Vol.3 & T-Shirt
* Vol.06: Manga Vol.4 & T-Shirt
* Vol.07: Artbox, Manga Vol.5, Original Soundtrack CD, & T-Shirt
* Vol.09: Manga Vol.6 & T-Shirt
* Vol.10: Video Game Manga Vol.1 & T-Shirt


Eureka 7
http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/cat.../desc/asc/50/1

It looks like each and every volume of Eureka 7 has an *artbox*. I'm just wondering which volume actually has a *collector's artbox* that is suppose to house the remaining volumes of Eureka.

For most anime titles, it seems like the collector's artbox is usually paired with either: volume 1 OR volume 2 OR the last volume installment.

I'm wondering which one it is for Eureka, because from what I've seen in pictures it seems like there's a total of 10 collector's artbox or something to that extent.

theguyoverthere 01-03-08 12:57 AM

Numbers 1 and 7 (of 12 total volumes)

strawberryshortcake 01-03-08 01:25 AM


Originally Posted by theguyoverthere
Numbers 1 and 7 (of 12 total volumes)

Thanks. So the question is what's the *point* of all those other artboxes. Are they just as sturdy as a collector's artbox? or are they more cheaply made? Can you actually house the designated volumes within one of those other ones (i.e. 2, 3, 4, 5, etc).

theguyoverthere 01-03-08 03:40 AM

As for the other ones, they're much less substantial, not designed to be opened regularly to access DVDs, and are really much more to physically hold the goodies that the SE versions contain inside at the point of purchase than anything else.

LorenzoL 01-03-08 07:46 AM

Thank you Maxflier and Abe. for the responses.

WTK 01-03-08 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by Takeshi357
I don't get it. Why would anyone want a bootleg version since there's a perfectly legal release of both movies?

There are plenty of people out there who just want the cheaper product. -ohbfrank-

WTK 01-03-08 08:23 AM


Originally Posted by LorenzoL
I need help in regards to a purchase.

I'm looking to buy the steel case version of Trigun that was released by Geneon. There were two volumes that was released and was wondering if first of all they contain all of the Trigun episodes and how are they in regards to PQ and sound?


Originally Posted by a customer's review @ Amazon.com
A set with fewer DVD's, and more episodes on Each disks. And really nice box covers.
There's some differences between the REMIX DVD's and the old Pioneer/GeneonSignature Series DVD's.

For those wondering, here's the episode containment for both versions:
[*with the volumes I own]

---
Orignal Pioneer/Geneon Signature Series of Trigun-

Volume 1: # 1-4*
Volume 2: # 5-7*
Volume 3: # 8-10*
Volume 4: # 11-13

Volume 5: # 14- 17
Volume 6: # 18-20
Volume 7: # 21-22
Volume 8: # 23-26*

---
REMIX Version of Trigun-

Volume 1: #1-5
Volume 2: #6-10
Volume 3: #11-14*

Volume 4: #15- 18*
Volume 5: #19-22*
Volume 6: #23-26
---


One big difference is the Sound. Here's the sound choices:
- English Dobly Digital 5.1
- Japanese Dobly Digital 5.1
-Japanese Dobly Digital 2.0
Similar sound options as some the other Geneon titles, with translation subtitles (of course).

But the Digital 5.1 is quite an experience if you have stereo on your TV/DVD player or two speakers on your computer. One scene, (for example on Remix Volume #5) in episode "OUT OF TIME," while he is on the flying ship, Vash has a conversation with Leonoff the Puppermastet though one of his puppets. As the PuppetMasterspeak through the tunnel-like walkway in the ship, his voice echos back and forth from the right and left speakers until he stops speaking during this scene.
At some moments, the voice actors are louder than the music (but you'll hear the music).

Another BIG difference is the OPENINGS.
Around 5-10 seconds of each opening is slightly different, showing a few short clips of the episode.
The Pioneer version of the Trigun DVD's used the opening from the first episode the entire series.

The openings on the Remix version are unedited in the original Japanese with removal sub-text.


The extras on the Remix DVD's are similar to the extras on the original Pioneer/Geneon Sig. Series DVD's. (EXCPET maybe the TV Spots...not sure though)
Volume 5 (REMIX) has character designs for the Gung-HoGuns/villains, Vash and Knives, and TV spots.

Minor problem(though not too important):
As for menus of the Remix DVD's I thought them to be weak and boring compared to the old menus. The menu set-up for the remix DVD is the same for the other Remix DVD's.
A couple of the wanted posters, pick an option and the camera turns to a few other posters. There's no pictures of the episodes in scene selection.
Where in the original DVD's the menus were vivid, creative, and unique (musically and visuals).
The video is more important though.

The covers for the REMIX DVD's are unique and REVERSIBLE (in color)!
Each back cover has two covers of the DVD covers of Trigun sold in Japan. (There were 13 in Japan, so one volume won't be on a back cover).
The box is clear, but I sometimes find it hard to remove the DVD.


If you were a fan who didn't buy the series yet, I would recommend the REMIX version.
If you already had the complete series (original Pioneer version), it may be cheaper to keep your old collection. But some people may want the great sound quality, etc from the REMIX DVD's.
Some viewers might want the limited edition with rare extras.


LorenzoL 01-04-08 08:00 AM

Thanks WTK.

strawberryshortcake 01-09-08 01:13 PM

I decided to move the following discussion here (from the Anime Bargain thread http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread....5&page=4&pp=25 ) because I just realized it's more appropriate/fitting here.

In summary, it's about the limited availability of *middle* volumes to anime series, regardless of title, but specifically about Fate/Stay Night (volume 5). Scroll all the way down this post to read my response to SDZeroG's valid point.


Originally Posted by tito425
My Best Buy had all 6 of the Fate/Stay Night DVD's in stock, so I bit the bullet and bought them all at....*gulp*...regular price! $35 for volume 1 w/box, and $24.99 for the rest. At this point with them being Geneon, I was just glad to find them all. Especially volume 1 with the box, and volume 5. Why is volume 5 so hard to find??


Originally Posted by toogood
Congrats on finding Vol 5 of Fate/Stay Night. Those are going for well over $60. I still can't find a copy for under $40 myself. The other five volumes seem to be abundant.


Originally Posted by strawberry99
I never understood how or why it works out like that. Do the manufacturers decide to only distribute x amount of volume 5 in the case of Fate/Stay Night.

I don't know the exact figure so I'll just make something up, hmm we'll release 10,000 copies of volume 5. And we'll release 25,000 copies of volume 6 and all the other volumes to match. Wouldn't it make sense to release the same quantity units for each volume. Or is it that somehow, someone decided he/she wants to buy out plenty of volume 5?

And why would fans buy more units of volume 5 over the other volumes? to throw off the unit quantity available? Wouldn't it make more sense for the availability of *all* volumes to dwindle at the same rate (plus or minus units due to defective disc)?


Originally Posted by mato45
I suppose 6 had double the release numbers due to having a reg and limited edition


Originally Posted by FangsFirst
OR for them to continually diminish--ie, v1 sells well, 2 less well, etc

I'm with you though, this never made sense to me either. Maybe there are cherry pickers? ("The episodes on this one volume are the only ones I want to own!")


Originally Posted by SDZeroG
With series like this you release fewer copies of each volume as you go along. If you produce 10,000 copies of volume 1, assuming it is a perfect market and their will be no excess supply/demand. Not every person is going to want volume 2. Now companies would have market research data so that they can best guestimate how many copies to produce as series drag along. If their data says that 80% of vol. 1 purchasers will continue with the series, then you would want to produce 8,000, again assuming it is a perfect supply/demand.
If 90% of volume 2 buyers continue with the series then 7,200 of vol. 3 are produced, etc.

If you produce 10,000 of each disc, you can see that over time each volume would continue to sell fewer copies and there would be excess volumes sitting in storage, which loses you money.

SDZeroG, you make a valid point. It's understandable but if that's the case, wouldn't units of volume 6 be even *more* limited. Why would volume 6 (Fate/Stay Night) be more abundant than 5. With the business model theory, wouldn't the availability of vol. 6 be lower than vol. 5.

Another example is Basilisk. There is a total of six volumes. Currently, volume 3 and 4 "limited edition (LE)" versions are supposedly hard to come by while the LE volume 5 and 6 are relatively, easily accesible.

EDIT: In other words, wouldn't it be more fitting if the availability of subsequent volumes dropped.

SDZeroG 01-09-08 11:22 PM

I initially left LE versions out of my original post because they do complicate production numbers but I have noticed, for the most part, that if you happen to miss the boat on an LE version there tend to be plenty of regulars floating around still. As for specifics to why certain series have given supply issues, I cannot answer that as 100% fact, I can just formulate a theory on why companies do so.

I can see the LE version packaged with an art box at vol. 1. Volume 1 is your gateway to the series and since more units need produced, you can more easily split this between LE and regular.(As a consumer though I must make a personal aside and mention I like how ADV is shifting their art boxes to v. 2. This lets us, the consumer, purchase volume 1 and see if we like it. If we do we will be more inclined to purchase the art box and volume 2. I don't know about anyone else, but I don't like buying v. 1 + art box if I don't know I will complete the series.) It's kind of harder to forecast your LE's as you travel down a series especially if you do not release one every volume.
If you released one each volume and your market was 40% LE/60% regular, it's easier to breakdown the market. If your LE's are only vol. 1 and 6, it can be a lot tougher. Will all of your v. 1 LE's want a vol. 6 LE, what kind of extras do the LE's contain? Is it special casing? Pencil boxes? A clock? chewing gum?
You have to give a higher share than normal to the % split towards the LE version with the art box in this industry, some people (coughMEcough) absolutely love them. So if you run a 40/60 LE split, the art box might run at 50/50 or higher, again depending on your data.


Your extreme cases as to why you could possibly find more last volumes than near end volumes could be double dippers and "end piece collectors". Double dippers either buy both SE and regular, or accidentally buy the regular and then when they realize there is an SE they buy that too for whatever cool extras lure them in. The end piece collector may have watched the series and liked it, so they buy the last volume because "that final boss scene was the coolest". Think DBZ here. We know the Z warriors do a lot of talking for endless episodes, why own them all when you can just own the last volume and see the end?

To tackle the F/Sn question, the increase to the volume 6's could be that Geneon made a higher initial print run than normal to account for going under. If they have plans that X months from the initial print run, we will run another wave to the press to replenish the stock, they knew v. 6 likely falls beyond this date for that treatment so they increase the initial stock slightly.
Volume 5 could have likely been set to have a repressing for a second wave, but if finances don't meet, the second wave doesn't get made. They have to devote time to this second wave, and they probably likely devoted their limited press time left towards pushing out first wave new volumes than minor second wave represses.
A second option is that a higher quantity of vol. 6's made it to online stores than 5. This could very well mean that many 5's are still sitting on store shelves (I highly advise if you want F/Sn btw to check your local Best Buys. I actually looked for a month+ unsuccessfully for vol. 5 and happened across it on an out of town trip). The news of Geneon going under could have affected the amount of stock your B&M stores wanted, so Geneon shifted the remaining vol. 6's to online stores. Since we all likely primarily shop online here, we "see" these online stocks more than B&M stocks.

As for the Basilisk 3 and 4, I would guess that their marketing saw how quickly their 3 and 4 LE's were bought up and they slightly increased supply for their 5 and 6 LE's compared to what they were initially scheduled to run. That or it is another potential issue of what we see online vs. B&M availability.

WTK 01-14-08 11:08 PM

For you Blood+ fans...
 
Blood+ Release Information w/ 3D Cover Arts

Blood+, Vol.1
  • 5 episodes
  • Full Screen Presentations
  • Audio: Japanese and English Stereo
  • Subtitles: English, French and Korean subtitles
Blood+, Part 1
  • 25 episodes (5 episodes per disc)
  • 6-Disc Gift Set in Collectible Packaging
  • Inside Blood+ Bonus Disc – includes interviews
  • Full Screen Presentations
  • Audio: Japanese and English Stereo
  • Subtitles: English, French and Korean subtitles
  • Exclusive T-Shirt
  • Exclusive Manga Sampler


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