Hokeyboy

Are you referring to Maggie Sawyer? She's been a lesbian since John Byrne introduced the character in 1987.

Hokeyboy

Might want to undangle that participle, Cochise.
Are you for real? Unloaded rifles fire the loudest. Message board complainers are hardly evidence of anything, except bitter old guys sitting at keyboards

hdnmickey

Newsflash: Homosexuals can spend years in heterosexual relationships (complete with... gasp... kids being born!) before coming to terms with their homosexuality. I realize that is hard for some people to grok, but it's reality.

And seriously, forced gay and lesbian themes? Just like how they forced racial diversity on everybody since they changed some of the characters rom being white in the comics to other races on these shows. Pretty easy to dispute that anybody is forcing an agenda vs. simply adding more diversity to what was a very a history ignoring the racial and sexual preference diversity in this country.

Love how every reply claiming there legit concern over the politics these CW DC shows just makes it more clear this it's people that just would rather the show be filled with white, straight people that fit in their safe space.

Eric F

Nobody cares about the politics, that's to be expected. They only care that it's well written- but it's not.

hdnmickey

There are certainly posts where it's clear there are legit concerns regarding the quality of the writing, rather than some liberal agenda included in the writing (even when it's well done). But sadly they are surrounded by posts that make it clear the real concern is that some supposed liberal agenda is being forced upon folks that would rather not be subjected to racial and sexual preference diversity.

Eric F

The best sci-fi always has some sort of political agenda/statement attached to it. Star Trek even went as far to comment on Vietnam from a "future" point of view. If only the WB shows had writing half as good. The political allegory here seems to be shoehorned in.

robin2099

So again, I keep giving you examples and you chose to ignore them and focus on one thing. Guess you don't have much of an argument.

Having a political angle still doesn't change the fact that these shows have shit writing trying to force liberal ideology into them. Did anyone say to themselves "You know what would make Supergirl a great season? By basically hammering in how much we hate Trump. Yeah that's great TV!" This show isn't The West Wing, 24 or The Twilight Zone which actually featured good writing when making their political points.

Again you miss the point. I had no issues with Eddie/Iris. Barry/Iris, Nick and Amaya, or Hawkgirl and Ray. But so far on Supergirl this season we have basically had one big love letter to liberal ideology focusing on climate control, immigration, LBTQ rights and aliens in society. Arrow gave us a completely asinine gun control episode. Now on The Flash we got an interracial gay couple raising a child. This coming from a producer who is gay, married to his partner and raising a child while the left has been talking about gay rights more and more and in somes cases changing the sexuality of the characters(which no one complained about Curtis). If you can't see how obvious it is they are pushing liberal principals in this I don't know what to tell you.

Exactly.

So they are basically you?

No one's denying that. Hell my cousins wife left him for a woman so I know that. It doesn't change the fact that the Alex change has been shiftily written. In season one she was crushing on Maxwell Lord. This season they sent out a press release about her becoming a lesbian. Nope no agenda here.

Nice to see you making up crap now. Guess what. No one complained about Iris suddenly becoming black, or J'onn and Miss. Martian being made black. If we didn't have a black Iris we would lose one of the best parts of the show which is Joe. But please stay on your high horse and keep covering your ears to what people are saying.

And yet when people give examples of how the writing on the show is becoming terrible by trying to push liberal ideologies you ignore it and focus on what it's not about instead choosing to ignore examples and put words in peoples mouths.

hdnmickey

I totally agree when it comes to the different Trek series pulling it off far better than others. Yet, before these CW DC shows started including characters that weren't straight, there were people going on about how they went "PC" and changed the races of a few characters.

I'm right there with everybody else when it comes to some of the legitimately political stuff being portly written. That whole recent gun control Arrow episode was beyond painful to watch. In the end they didn't even make a point.

hdnmickey

Hammering in? It was one comment in one episode.

Tom Banjo

The Magicians had a musical segment on this week's episode. Frankly it was more entertaining than this entire episode of Flash.

Original Desmond

Didn't like this episode but i hate most musicals

Cast chemistry was great though

robin2099

Actually it was two. In the Linda Carter episode Supergirl said how nice it was to have a woman president after beating that horrible, horrible man. They also had the episode talking about putting a fascist in the White House. Plus you know the two or three episodes talking about immigration they did.

But again, even after listing examples you just ignore them so why bother.

Eric F

You mean how in the next episode Oliver goes back to his usual murder spree? That?

hdnmickey

The post I responded to called out Trump by name. My reply was about the times they have called out Trump by name. If you had posted that they have alluded to the whole current GOP controlled administration more than once lately, I would have agreed with you. People like Bannon and Pence are just as much responsible for the fascism as Trump.

Just watched that the latest episode last night.

PhantomStranger

I was referring to Alex, Kara's sister. Alex has no counterpart in the comics.

Exactly what I was thinking as I watched that Magicians' episode. They have one musical scene and it was probably better than anything we got from the Flash.

Hokeyboy

"I know you are but what am I?" Better sharpen up that toolset, son

robin2099

And you better make sure that you haven't misplaced yours.

OldBoy

so who was really singing and who wasn't? it sounded like Gustin during his songs, but not sure. i know Benoist and Martin have backgrounds, but not sure about anyone else, especially Victor Garber which didn't sound like him at all. the episode was meh. i liked the end with him proposing, again, though...

diditagain

Everyone singing had some kind of musical experience in their background.

Grant Gustin, Melissa Benoist and Darren Criss all appeared on Glee, John Barrowman has released several albums in the UK, Jesse Martin starred in "Rent" in the 1990s, Jeremy Jordan starred in "Newsies" on Broadway, Victor Garber recorded songs in Canada in the 1960s and appeared in several Braodway plays in the 1970s, and Carlos Valdez appeared in "Once" on Broadway.

OldBoy

I didn't know Gustin was on Glee. I stopped watching after 3rd or 4th season...

PhantomStranger

They pulled pretty much every Arrowverse actor with a vocal background into the episode. Though remember it has been years for some of them since they had done Broadway or musical theater.

chowderhead

Grant played a warbler from the other school. His duet smooth criminal with Santana was one of the best duets imo from Glee.

DWilson

I had always known Victor Garber as the lead in the movie version of "Godspell" back in the '70s (playing "Jesus" in clown make-up, which was the premise of the musical). I was surprised when he turned up on "Alias" as Sydney's father, and then everything that followed.

davidh777

Yeah, Garber has a significant track record in Stephen Sondheim musicals, including the original casts of Sweeney Todd and Assassins, and he played Daddy Warbucks in the Disney Channel version of Annie. But those were all quite a while ago, so I know some people who specifically mentioned him as having surprised them that he was a singer.

hdnmickey

They let Garber sing and dance during an episode of Eli Stone. He also was a guest star on Glee for one episode, but since I never watched that series, I don't know if he got to sing in that one.