fumanstan

I don't really think that's an apt comparison, given the rating and subject matter of Deadpool and not being linked to the bigger MCU.

kgrogers1979

It may not be linked to the MCU, but it is linked to the X-men movie franchise which is a large and popular franchise in it's own right. Deadpool is one of the most popular X-men characters, even among non-comic readers. Deadpool recently got his own video game too. So this isn't really some obscure character like Ant-Man either.

Personally, I think the Gambit movie is much more of a risk. Deadpool not so much. Gambit was really only popular in the 90s, not so much today. Deadpool is still popular today.

rocket1312

Apples and oranges, but of course you know that.

fumanstan

Popularity among comic book readers doesn't necessarily mean much in terms of box office. And we don't know what kind of links it will have to the existing X-Men universe after given the way X-Men Origins turned out. Do we even know if Colossus is the same character we see in X2/3? Either way, my point still stands that this being Rated R and the type of character Deadpool is make it a much more difficult proposition and I can see why rocket1312 would mention that possibility.

Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man really don't have much to do with the success of this at all, but I guess people will forever use them as a crutch for their arguments.

csant

Deadpool is as popular as Venom... if this movie does any good it will probably be because its rated R and people wanted to see why.

Deadpool is not as popular as you guys think.

EctoCooler

Showing his pristine face will make the ravages of his cancer that much more horrific later. They should absolutely show it.

kgrogers1979

True, but Deadpool isn't popular with just comic readers. He has a video game, and people cosplay as him. I don't think most cosplayers are actually comic readers. Both cosplayers and comic readers belong to the nerd subculture, but I don't think there is necessarily a large overlap between the two groups.


Why not? Many people were saying there was no chance that GOTG of Ant-man would be successful because they were D-list unknown characters. Deadpool is more well known than GOTG or Ant-Man.

fumanstan

Still a small population that wouldn't nearly be enough to make it a successful movie based on their attendance at all.


I've already stated why twice now.

And i'm not saying I personally feel it's destined to bomb or do poorly, i'm just saying that there's nothing wrong with rocket's opinion, this movie has different circumstances then the two examples you cited, and it's kind of ridiculous to cite those two movies every single time.

Solid Snake

I love Deadpool but can see this failing as well. I don't feel that way cuz it has a trailer that is pretty good and something that would get the mainstream to enjoy it.

rocket1312

You honestly can't tell the difference between two entries in the most successful franchise of films going today that were rated pg-13 and made for and marketed to the widest possible audience and an r rated movie with a most likely minimal tie-in to a not quite as successful franchise that so far seems to be made for and marketed to a select group of 50 nerds who read the comics and dress up at conventions starring a dude who's been labeled box office poison after a string of notorious flops?

Look, I'm not saying it will flop. All I'm saying is that this seems like it's being made for a very specific audience. I happen to be part of that audience, so good for me. If you're not part of that audience already, then I wonder if there will be much appeal.

EctoCooler

I think it'll be a modest hit. The R-rating will most definitely cut into its gross and I think The Force Awakens will still be raking in dough by the time it comes out. Then again, who knows.

Kal-El

This backlash is starting early even by DVDTalk standards.

musick

if it does slightly better than "Kick-Ass" type numbers I assume it is a failure in the eyes of most, yes?

EctoCooler

Absolutely. That wouldn't even cover its budget.

musick

what is Deadpool's budget?
all I read was that it was low and a number of 50M thrown out

KA was 30M budget I think and has done almost 100M

DJariya

I'm looking forward to seeing the trailer. Wondering if they will play up the comic super hero aspect or the campy comedic aspect. I'm not familiar with the Deadpool character, but from that leaked trailer, he seems to be more on the sarcastic asshole end.

fumanstan

What backlash?

rocket1312

Yeah, what backlash? My point was that so far this movie smells more like a cult classic than a huge hit. I'm getting a real Scott Pilgrim vibe. Or maybe Kick-Ass is a better example. Obviously we'll know a lot more once the the ad campaign really starts to kick into high gear, but at this point Deadpool looks like it's being made specifically for the fans and not for a mass audience.

HN

Stay for the credits

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kgrogers1979

Yes, I see the difference. It's just your original post kind of had a pessimistic attitude, and that's what I was really trying to get at with the GOTG/Ant-Man comparison. Everyone on the internet is so pessimistic about everything. They said GOTG was going to fail. They said Ant-Man was going to fail. They said Days of Future Past was going to fail (mostly because of how stupid Quicksilver appeared in the promos). They say Fantastic Four is going to fail. They say Batman v Superman is going to fail. Over and over, every single movie they say is going to fail. Your original post just reminded me of all that.


Yeah, that's what I was getting at, the whole pessimistic attitude with everyone complaining about how bad these movies look and how they're going to fail. It happens with every single movie, and it gets kind of old after a while.

rocket1312

First of all, who's "they?" Second of all, you misinterpreted my comments. They were more in reference to just how committed Fox seems to be in staying true to the source. Given that the source material (ultra violent, bizarre humor, fourth wall being smashed to pieces) has the potential to be more than a little polarizing, I could see this not playing particularly well with general audiences. That's not a bad thing or a good thing. It's just a thing. It's also possible that everything we've seen from Fox has been in an attempt to get the fanboys on board and that the national ad campaign will show a little wider range of appeal. I have no idea. Personally I can't wait to see this movie. I'm glad Fox doesn't appear to be playing it safe.

No one said any of this about Deadpool. This thread has been overwhelmingly positive.

kgrogers1979

I said who "they" are in the third sentence. "They" are "everyone on the internet." Yes, it's a generalized statement, but reading message boards like this just makes it seem like everyone is always so pessimistic.

I don't think the R-rating with ultra violence and bizarre humor are really going to be that limiting. There have been other very successful movies with the same R-rated violence and/or humor. Movies like Robocop, Terminator, Die Hard, Evil Dead, Nightmare on Elm St, Friday the 13th, just to name a few.

fumanstan

While some people go overboard on particular properties, I think there's a big difference between pessimism and simply sharing an opinion of caution, concern, and discussion of the potential success of a movie. That's why I dislike people that seem to be rallying against negativity or whatever; they're just opinions, not every movie is going to look awesome to everyone.

Alternatively, I think it would be pretty dumb to automatically assume every comic book movie will be a success because of Guardians of the Galaxy and Ant-Man.

DaveyJoe

I don't think anybody is expecting this to make Avengers money, but I do think adults have been craving entertainment geared toward adults for some time now. It will be refreshing for many to see a comic book movie with swearing a violence.

Mike86

To some extent we've gotten comic based films that have been darker though such as 300, 300: Rise of an Empire, Kick-Ass, Kick-Ass 2, The Losers, and Watchmen. Not all those are necessarily superhero films but there have been darker comic based films. Plus the new DC films while not R rated are going down a darker path.

I think that Deadpool will be okay but I can see it underperforming a bit to be honest. Obviously most kids won't be seeing it unless their parents are totally ignorant to what they watch and I think while there's some appeal for more violent comic films I'm not sure the masses really want that. I think the trailer looks entertaining enough but I'm not the hugest Deadpool fan really so some of it doesn't necessarily appeal to me.