Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
09-26-16, 08:05 AM
#4251
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I found out the hard way that my brain wasn't able to "acclimate" to then-newer releases, which I first heard on myspace/youtube (or other sources) and subsequently purchased the cds. (Such as then-current albums from Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne, The Rolling Stones, Rush, Duran Duran, etc ... which turned out to be rather disappointing). After awhile, I more or less gave up on buying new current albums, even from bands I listened to a lot.
09-26-16, 08:31 AM
#4252
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I was doing this around a decade ago or so, when myspace was still then-king and youtube was just starting.
I found out the hard way that my brain wasn't able to "acclimate" to then-newer releases, which I first heard on myspace/youtube (or other sources) and subsequently purchased the cds. (Such as then-current albums from Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne, The Rolling Stones, Rush, Duran Duran, etc ... which turned out to be rather disappointing). After awhile, I more or less gave up on buying new current albums, even from bands I listened to a lot.
I found out the hard way that my brain wasn't able to "acclimate" to then-newer releases, which I first heard on myspace/youtube (or other sources) and subsequently purchased the cds. (Such as then-current albums from Metallica, Ozzy Osbourne, The Rolling Stones, Rush, Duran Duran, etc ... which turned out to be rather disappointing). After awhile, I more or less gave up on buying new current albums, even from bands I listened to a lot.
Unfortunately it had the same disappointing results. For example, I picked up some recent albums by Dream Theater, Journey, KISS, Megadeth, Def Leppard, etc ... just to find out they were difficult to listen to. (Mostly Walmart dump bin finds).
09-26-16, 09:41 AM
#4253
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I tried doing this again more recently, hoping "this time it will be different" for me.
Unfortunately it had the same disappointing results. For example, I picked up some recent albums by Dream Theater, Journey, KISS, Megadeth, Def Leppard, etc ... just to find out they were difficult to listen to. (Mostly Walmart dump bin finds).
Unfortunately it had the same disappointing results. For example, I picked up some recent albums by Dream Theater, Journey, KISS, Megadeth, Def Leppard, etc ... just to find out they were difficult to listen to. (Mostly Walmart dump bin finds).
For me, I think once I was older than the musicians in the band I was listening to, I just tended to lose interest, no matter how good a band it was.
"Rabid-fan" music appreciation does have an expiry date for most people.
09-26-16, 11:00 AM
#4254
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I've grown out of much of the music I've listened to during my teen years, especially the hard rock stuff (it would sound better if I listened to it while being high on weed but those days are gone). But classics are classics and music from the likes of the Beatles, one never really loses interest in but rather revisits from time to time. I like a lot of music from today and it also has the distinct advantage of sounding much better as the recording equipment has improved a lot over the years.
09-26-16, 11:25 AM
#4255
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I have always found that if you ask anyone's opinion about the "golden age" of music, they will almost always say it was whatever music they listened to between the ages of 10 and 25.
For me, I think once I was older than the musicians in the band I was listening to, I just tended to lose interest, no matter how good a band it was.
"Rabid-fan" music appreciation does have an expiry date for most people.
For me, I think once I was older than the musicians in the band I was listening to, I just tended to lose interest, no matter how good a band it was.
"Rabid-fan" music appreciation does have an expiry date for most people.
A few years ago when I picked up and watched some dvd sets of tv shows and movies I watched when I was a young adult, I came to the realization that hardly any of it had any rewatch value for me. (Mostly movies and some tv shows from the late-1980s and 1990s).
The only tv show I had any "rabid fan" appreciation for over the decades, was the original Battlestar Galactica. The only semi-plausible reason I can think of for this, was that it was the first non-cartoon tv show I latched onto when I was a preteen. (Around that time simultaneously, was also when I first got interested in space type stuff). If I had never seen Battlestar Galactica back in the day as a preteen, most likely I wouldn't think much of the show. Without any misguided rose-tinted-glasses of "rabid nostalgia", the original Battlestar Galactica wasn't much more than a cheesy sci-fi show flying around to different planets and/or fighting evil robots each week.
For that matter, when I picked up and watched the dvds/blurays of tv shows and movies I watched a lot back when I was a teenager (mostly from the early->mid 1980s), I also came to the harsh realization that most of that stuff had no rewatch value for me. For example, tv shows like the original MacGyver, Miami Vice, Magnum PI, The A-Team, Dukes of Hazzard, the original Knight Rider, etc ... and many Ahnold and Stallone type action movies (ie. Rambo, Rocky, Commando, Predator, Conan, Cobra, etc ...). Almost all of this stuff, I generally found to be difficult to watch nowadays.
09-26-16, 02:28 PM
#4256
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
A few years ago when I picked up and watched some dvd sets of tv shows and movies I watched when I was a young adult, I came to the realization that hardly any of it had any rewatch value for me. (Mostly movies and some tv shows from the late-1980s and 1990s).
For instance I bought "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes". A cool/kitchy movie to own but completely unbearable to actually sit down and watch. Again, it's the nostalgia of remembering this title in the video store as kid and wanting so badly to see it. I saw the DVD for $2 at a pawn shop and "Why not?", I bought it.
I have about 1000 titles in my collection of which I used the same logic.
09-26-16, 04:04 PM
#4257
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
I can relate. Although I have managed to avoid buying any TV series, I have bought plenty of movies that were purchased strictly for nostalgic reasons.
For instance I bought "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes". A cool/kitchy movie to own but completely unbearable to actually sit down and watch. Again, it's the nostalgia of remembering this title in the video store as kid and wanting so badly to see it. I saw the DVD for $2 at a pawn shop and "Why not?", I bought it.
I have about 1000 titles in my collection of which I used the same logic.
For instance I bought "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes". A cool/kitchy movie to own but completely unbearable to actually sit down and watch. Again, it's the nostalgia of remembering this title in the video store as kid and wanting so badly to see it. I saw the DVD for $2 at a pawn shop and "Why not?", I bought it.
I have about 1000 titles in my collection of which I used the same logic.
Most of my dvd/bluray purchases were based more on the genre, than strictly nostalgia. A lot of sci-fi, action, superhero, etc ... genre type stuff I purchased as "impulse buys". Most of my "nostalgia" dvd/bluray purchases were mostly non-genre titles, such as: cop shows, sitcoms, comedy/romcom type movies, etc ...
After 5+ years of buying a lot of dvds/blurays, I came to the realization a lot of sci-fi, action, superhero, etc ... genre type stuff was actually really awful. Hardly anything had any replay value for me.
Even for many current tv shows I like watching, the dvd/bluray season sets turned out to have almost no replay value for me. I made several posts on another message board about this.
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/comm...4#post-4397381
After going through a lot of trial and error, the only dvds which had a lot of rewatch value for me, were from the Stargate franchise and Babylon 5 seasons 2, 3, and 4. (Seasons 1 and 5 + the tv movies of Babylon 5, and the Crusade spinoff were rather lousy with not much rewatch value for me).
With such an extremely low hit-to-miss ratio in finding dvd/bluray titles which have a lot of rewatch value, I probably would have been better off just using a flat-rate streaming service like Netflix, amazon, etc ...
Since I stopped regularly buying dvds/blurays this past June, I now mostly watch sci-fi movies which show up on basic cable channels, and current network tv shows. Most of the time I ended up deleting many movies without finishing them, when I find them difficult to watch through.
Last edited by morriscroy; 09-26-16 at 04:16 PM.
09-27-16, 08:37 AM
#4258
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
For instance I bought "Attack of the Killer Tomatoes". A cool/kitchy movie to own but completely unbearable to actually sit down and watch. Again, it's the nostalgia of remembering this title in the video store as kid and wanting so badly to see it. I saw the DVD for $2 at a pawn shop and "Why not?", I bought it.
Another thing I've noticed recently is that if I watch a movie or tv show on basic cable or network tv, I am more than willing to stop watching and delete them from the DVR if I find the particular movie/show to be difficult to watch.
But on the other hand, if I am watching a movie/show on dvd or bluray, I am more than likely to sit through and watch the entire movie/show from start to finish. Even in the case of the show/movie being really awful and/or difficult to watch through. (This was also the case for many $1 dvd/bluray titles I have).
The only semi-plausible explanation I have for the second case, is the "sunk cost" fallacy coloring my thinking heavily, when it comes to watching dvds/blurays.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Escalation_of_commitment
If I had known about this behavior ^ in myself back in 2009 -> early-2011, it probably would have changed my decision to jump onto the dvd/bluray collecting treadmill in 2011.
Last edited by morriscroy; 09-27-16 at 08:45 AM.
09-27-16, 12:18 PM
#4259
DVD Talk Special Edition
re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Another thing I've noticed recently is that if I watch a movie or tv show on basic cable or network tv, I am more than willing to stop watching and delete them from the DVR if I find the particular movie/show to be difficult to watch.
But on the other hand, if I am watching a movie/show on dvd or bluray, I am more than likely to sit through and watch the entire movie/show from start to finish. Even in the case of the show/movie being really awful and/or difficult to watch through. (This was also the case for many $1 dvd/bluray titles I have).
But on the other hand, if I am watching a movie/show on dvd or bluray, I am more than likely to sit through and watch the entire movie/show from start to finish. Even in the case of the show/movie being really awful and/or difficult to watch through. (This was also the case for many $1 dvd/bluray titles I have).
It's much like an "all-you-can-eat" buffet. People load their plate up with more food than they can probably eat and then throw half the plate in the garbage.
If they went to a buffet where you had to pay for your food by the pound, they would be much more careful what they picked and would be much less likely to throw anything away.
09-27-16, 04:19 PM
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09-27-16, 09:21 PM
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10-05-16, 12:07 AM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Most of my spending was outside the US last month, as I ordered 3D editions of Jungle Book, Alice Through the Looking Glass and a few other 3D titles that aren't out here.
10-05-16, 08:12 AM
#4266
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
Updated thru week ending 9/24/16
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)
Code:
Week Date OD OD YoY DVD DVD YoY BD BD YoY BD Share TBO2015 TBO2014 2016 HMM 3523.56 -6.2% 2243.44 -13.1% 1280.11 9.1% 36.3% 8035.6 6573.8 Q3 HMM 979.54 -5.6% 630.08 -13.2% 349.44 12.3% 35.7% 2194.1 1653.8 38 9/24 88.47 -6.9% 50.51 -18.8% 37.95 15.6% 42.9 % 158.3 185.3 37 9/17 100.88 -18.7% 56.65 -18.7% 44.22 -12.9% 43.8 % 521.4 584.4 36 9/10 80.07 0.1% 54.37 -7.1% 25.70 19.6% 32.1 % 141.9 43.9 35 9/3 86.79 -2.0% 56.56 -7.8% 30.23 11.0% 34.8 % 420.5 163.8 34 8/27 75.45 3.0% 51.95 -5.7% 23.50 29.4% 31.1 % 103.0 27.9 33 8/20 71.78 -5.7% 50.09 -12.0% 21.69 13.2% 30.2 % 128.5 7.8 32 8/13 65.55 -16.8% 47.80 -18.8% 17.75 -10.8% 27.1 % 4.2 67.2 31 8/6 75.00 -18.8% 51.34 -20.4% 23.66 -15.1% 31.5 % 78.9 166.8 30 7/30 77.19 -11.2% 50.45 -16.7% 26.74 1.3% 34.6 % 145.1 182.1 29 7/23 96.62 25.8% 53.10 -5.4% 43.52 110.3% 45.0 % 345.7 3.7 28 7/16 85.82 -6.5% 55.62 -12.8% 30.20 8.0% 35.2 % 140.2 185.9 27 7/9 75.92 -1.5% 51.64 -11.5% 24.28 29.7% 32.0 % 6.4 35.1 Q2 HMM 1188.41 4.3% 716.43 -9.5% 471.98 35.9% 39.7% 2985.4 1764.1 26 7/2 79.30 -1.7% 54.21 -10.4% 25.08 24.6% 31.6 % 185.8 115.1 25 6/25 77.13 0.6% 52.63 -6.9% 24.50 21.5% 31.8 % 72.4 0.1 24 6/18 98.65 1.9% 61.90 -4.9% 36.75 15.7% 37.3 % 175.5 100.5 23 6/11 107.74 19.3% 60.99 -1.2% 46.75 63.7% 43.4 % 431.8 185.5 22 6/4 76.29 -22.2% 51.94 -20.9% 24.35 -24.7% 31.9 % 73.8 309.0 21 5/28 73.60 -12.0% 49.82 -14.9% 23.78 -5.1% 32.3 % 140.1 23.6 20 5/21 77.54 -26.5% 50.34 -25.8% 27.20 -27.9% 35.1 % 61.1 376.0 19 5/14 107.18 23.1% 56.93 -6.0% 50.25 89.4% 46.9 % 403.3 34.5 18 5/7 81.33 -19.5% 55.32 -17.3% 26.02 -23.7% 32.0 % 112.7 251.6 17 4/30 78.19 -1.6% 52.00 -9.3% 26.19 18.3% 33.5 % 140.1 23.6 16 4/23 84.07 4.5% 52.84 -8.3% 31.23 37.0% 37.1 % 224.9 91.7 15 4/16 89.59 17.2% 53.25 -2.1% 36.34 64.8% 40.6 % 26.6 43.1 14 4/9 157.80 90.2% 64.26 9.0% 93.54 289.4% 59.3 % 937.2 7.8 Q1 HMM 1355.61 -14.1% 896.93 -15.7% 458.69 -10.9% 33.8% 2856.1 3156.0 13 4/2 91.71 -39.0% 61.35 -38.2% 30.35 -40.5% 33.1 % 118.1 333.7 12 3/26 145.35 0.1% 93.05 2.4% 52.30 -3.8% 36.0 % 433.8 498.8 11 3/19 112.95 0.7% 76.44 -0.2% 36.52 2.7% 32.3 % 294.4 260.6 10 3/12 99.52 -16.8% 68.43 -15.6% 31.08 -19.3% 31.2 % 162.6 114.5 9 3/5 86.02 -38.5% 60.05 -34.3% 25.97 -46.3% 30.2 % 184.1 350.9 8 2/27 106.70 -29.5% 71.62 -24.7% 35.08 -37.7% 32.9 % 186.8 303.2 7 2/20 98.44 -18.9% 69.29 -15.6% 29.15 -25.9% 29.6 % 101.2 218.7 6 2/13 122.01 -5.6% 79.65 -12.7% 42.36 11.3% 34.7 % 265.7 126.4 5 2/6 102.48 -15.3% 66.32 -21.2% 36.17 -1.7% 35.3 % 123.0 182.6 4 1/30 99.47 -10.2% 66.32 -11.6% 33.15 -7.1% 33.3 % 97.3 192.7 3 1/23 101.43 1.1% 63.96 -7.1% 37.47 19.2% 36.9 % 302.3 273.7 2 1/16 100.71 12.1% 62.20 -4.4% 38.52 55.4% 38.2 % 448.4 201.4 1 1/9 88.82 0.9% 58.25 -8.5% 30.57 25.4% 34.4 % 138.3 98.7 2015 HMM 5982.0 -11.6% 3959.60 -14.9% 2022.43 -4.6% 33.8% 10548.9 10507.6 Q4 HMM 2120.41 -6.6% 1312.11 -14.9% 808.32 11.2% 38.1% 3308.0 3199.3 52 1/2 122.55 1.1% 76.23 -9.2% 46.32 24.1% 37.8 % 109.1 103.7 51 12/26 278.08 5.8% 170.80 -6.4% 107.28 33.3% 38.6 % 105.5 7.1 50 12/19 265.13 -13.5% 159.63 -22.9% 105.50 5.9% 39.8 % 417.3 343.8 49 12/12 215.99 -13.0% 128.33 -20.5% 87.66 1.0% 40.6 % 532.3 410.0 48 12/5 167.01 -17.8% 108.97 -21.9% 58.04 -8.9% 34.8 % 19.5 291.0 47 11/28 292.88 -11.2% 191.68 -15.3% 101.20 -2.3% 34.6 % 87.9 165.5 46 11/21 101.56 -21.3% 66.89 -26.6% 34.68 -8.4% 34.1 % 52.6 324.7 45 11/14 109.57 -20.8% 69.83 -22.8% 39.74 -17.1% 36.3 % 230.6 391.6 44 11/7 127.41 -1.2% 77.03 -7.4% 50.38 10.2% 39.5 % 419.7 408.6 43 10/31 101.99 14.7% 65.10 -2.2% 36.90 65.0% 36.2 % 217.9 65.1 42 10/24 132.34 41.4% 68.00 1.9% 64.34 139.6% 48.6 % 697.0 157.5 41 10/17 106.67 -5.0% 63.65 -12.6% 43.02 9.2% 40.3 % 290.2 347.5 40 10/10 99.23 -6.7% 65.97 -7.0% 33.26 -6.2% 33.5 % 128.4 183.4 Q3 HMM 1147.35 -13.2% 793.83 -15.3% 353.52 -8.1% 30.8% 2299.4 2295.6 39 10/3 115.56 1.4% 71.34 -3.4% 44.22 10.3% 38.3 % 650.1 278.5 38 9/26 94.73 -2.5% 61.87 -11.4% 32.86 20.1% 34.7 % 184.7 156.0 37 9/19 120.04 -0.2% 69.38 -14.0% 50.66 28.0% 42.2 % 582.4 391.7 36 9/12 79.80 -28.5% 58.35 -20.4% 21.45 -44.0% 26.9 % 43.9 285.5 35 9/5 88.23 -0.7% 61.12 -10.2% 27.11 30.7% 30.7 % 163.6 40.0 34 8/29 73.03 -25.3% 54.90 -23.7% 18.12 -29.9% 24.8 % 27.8 66.3 33 8/22 75.79 -26.7% 56.68 -20.0% 19.12 -41.2% 25.2 % 7.8 217.1 32 8/15 78.42 -21.4% 58.56 -19.0% 19.85 -27.6% 25.3 % 67.1 93.1 31 8/8 92.02 -17.7% 64.19 -18.5% 27.83 -15.9% 30.2 % 166.8 283.1 30 8/1 86.59 -14.0% 60.24 -17.8% 26.35 -3.9% 30.4 % 181.8 187.2 29 7/25 76.44 -23.6% 55.78 -24.6% 20.66 -20.7% 27.0 % 3.7 147.7 28 7/18 91.34 -5.5% 63.42 -9.0% 27.93 3.6% 30.6 % 184.7 134.7 27 7/11 75.36 -5.9% 58.00 -4.7% 17.36 -9.7% 23.0 % 34.9 14.6 Q2 HMM 1136.2 -17.9% 789.33 -18.0% 346.83 -17.5% 30.5% 1763.1 1836.5 26 7/4 80.04 -10.1% 59.99 -9.6% 20.05 -11.6% 25.0 % 115.1 4.7 25 6/27 76.22 -21.3% 56.18 -16.9% 20.04 -31.5% 26.3 % 0.1 121.6 24 6/20 96.47 -18.9% 64.82 -15.8% 31.65 -24.5% 32.8 % 100.5 317.6 23 6/13 90.01 -21.9% 61.54 -19.8% 28.47 -26.0% 31.6 % 185.5 145.4 22 6/6 97.72 -12.0% 65.23 -11.7% 32.49 -12.6% 33.2 % 308.9 243.4 21 5/30 83.37 0.7% 58.42 -3.7% 24.95 12.7% 29.9 % 23.6 23.6 20 5/23 105.56 18.2% 67.81 6.1% 37.74 48.8% 35.8 % 375.9 189.1 19 5/16 86.81 2.2% 60.42 -2.7% 26.39 15.3% 30.4 % 34.3 72.1 18 5/9 100.88 10.2% 66.77 -0.7% 34.11 40.2% 33.8 % 251.6 5.7 17 5/2 79.35 -10.8% 57.24 -12.2% 22.11 -6.8% 27.9 % 225.1 51.6 16 4/25 80.42 -10.4% 57.62 -11.9% 22.80 -6.5% 28.4 % 91.6 0.1 15 4/18 76.44 -56.7% 54.38 -55.8% 22.06 -58.7% 28.9 % 43.1 296.7 14 4/11 82.89 -44.1% 58.91 -37.0% 23.97 -56.2% 28.9 % 7.8 365.0 Q1 HMM 1578.06 -12.1% 1064.33 -11.9% 513.76 -12.4% 32.6% 3178.4 3176.1 13 4/4 150.33 10.2% 99.28 9.4% 51.05 11.8% 34.0 % 332.0 165.9 12 3/28 145.19 -3.0% 90.83 -9.0% 54.36 9.1% 37.4 % 498.8 187.9 11 3/21 112.10 -53.7% 76.52 -45.3% 35.58 -65.1% 31.7 % 260.4 643.5 10 3/14 119.66 -11.6% 81.16 -13.1% 38.50 -8.3% 32.2 % 113.4 66.6 9 3/7 139.83 -1.7% 91.54 -14.1% 48.29 -18.6% 34.5 % 350.9 490.2 8 2/28 151.40 -2.6% 95.11 -3.3% 56.32 -1.4% 37.2 % 303.3 506.5 7 2/21 120.65 -5.2% 82.04 -7.6% 38.61 0.3% 32.0 % 216.5 0.2 6 2/14 129.22 -17.1% 91.16 -18.0% 38.06 -12.9% 29.5 % 126.3 162.8 5 2/7 120.93 3.2% 84.14 -0.7% 36.79 13.4% 30.4 % 184.4 147.1 4 1/31 110.66 0.4% 75.00 -3.0% 35.67 8.3% 32.2 % 192.8 319.5 3 1/24 100.24 4.2% 68.82 -1.4% 31.43 18.8% 31.4 % 273.7 196.0 2 1/17 89.84 -15.3% 65.07 -14.6% 24.76 -17.2% 27.6 % 201.2 261.7 1 1/10 87.99 -10.9% 63.66 -11.4% 24.34 -9.5% 27.7 % 124.8 28.2 2014 HMM 6783.24 -10.1% 4661.69 -11.0% 2121.58 -7.9% 31.3% 10450.6 10589.2 Q4 HMM 2267.71 -14.1% 1540.94 -13.0% 726.79 -16.4% 32.0% 3157.4 3445.0 52 1/3 121.21 -4.4% 83.90 -6.1% 37.31 -0.5% 30.8 % 103.7 24.5 51 12/27 263.04 -3.6% 182.27 -3.0% 80.77 -4.8% 30.7 % 7.1 83.9 50 12/20 306.48 -20.8% 206.91 -21.0% 99.57 -20.5% 32.5 % 343.4 406.9 49 12/13 248.11 -24.8% 161.33 -20.5% 86.78 -31.7% 35.0 % 409.4 618.1 48 12/6 203.22 -11.9% 139.51 -8.0% 63.71 -19.3% 31.4 % 291.0 235.1 47 11/29 329.76 -11.5% 226.35 -10.7% 103.42 -13.4% 31.4 % 165.5 80.0 46 11/22 128.77 -17.6% 90.97 -14.0% 37.81 -25.2% 29.4 % 324.7 354.1 45 11/15 138.26 -8.0% 90.36 -4.8% 47.90 -13.5% 34.6 % 391.5 380.3 44 11/8 128.78 2.9% 83.10 -5.6% 45.68 22.9% 35.5 % 408.5 209.3 43 11/1 88.60 -31.4% 66.32 -24.2% 22.28 -46.6% 25.1 % 65.1 302.2 42 10/25 93.20 -14.2% 66.38 -15.6% 26.82 -10.5% 28.8 % 157.1 212.5 41 10/18 112.00 -14.9% 72.69 -17.5% 39.31 -9.5% 35.1 % 347.4 293.7 40 10/11 106.28 -10.8% 70.85 -12.9% 35.43 -6.1% 33.3 % 182.9 244.6 Q3 HMM 1320.38 -8.6% 935.73 -8.5% 384.66 -9.1% 29.1% 2295.1 2305.5 39 10/4 113.89 -18.5% 73.80 -12.6% 40.09 -27.5% 35.2 % 278.5 288.6 38 9/27 97.15 -22.7% 69.79 -11.9% 27.37 -41.1% 28.2 % 155.7 414.8 37 9/20 120.20 5.5% 80.61 2.8% 39.59 11.5% 32.9 % 391.2 213.6 36 9/13 111.46 -16.0% 73.15 -14.5% 38.31 -18.7% 34.4 % 285.5 239.8 35 9/6 88.74 -18.9% 68.01 -17.8% 20.73 -22.1% 23.4 % 40.0 123.9 34 8/30 97.67 -16.3% 71.81 -15.8% 25.85 -17.5% 26.5 % 67.6 197.5 33 8/23 103.27 0.9% 70.74 -7.8% 32.53 27.1% 31.5 % 217.1 146.6 32 8/16 99.46 -2.2% 72.02 -4.6% 27.44 4.9% 27.6 % 93.1 130.3 31 8/9 111.46 4.8% 78.38 4.2% 33.08 6.2% 29.7 % 283.2 136.9 30 8/2 100.58 -3.3% 73.19 -2.7% 27.40 -4.7% 27.2 % 187.2 125.4 29 7/26 99.91 8.7% 73.88 3.1% 26.03 28.5% 26.1 % 147.6 3.9 28 7/19 96.55 -5.0% 69.59 -8.5% 26.96 5.5% 27.9 % 133.9 159.9 27 7/12 80.04 -19.4% 60.76 -20.2% 19.28 -16.8% 24.1 % 14.6 124.3 Q2 HMM 1381.45 -1.7% 961.09 -5.7% 420.37 8.6% 30.4% 1833.8 1735.1 26 7/5 88.88 -11.2% 66.22 -15.0% 22.66 2.3% 25.5 % 4.6 1.1 25 6/28 96.64 -0.7% 67.38 -8.4% 29.26 23.1% 30.3 % 121.6 78.1 24 6/21 118.84 8.1% 76.92 -2.9% 41.93 36.6% 35.3 % 316.3 135.0 23 6/14 115.15 -21.0% 76.72 -21.8% 38.43 -19.4% 33.4 % 144.9 334.5 22 6/7 110.91 -9.8% 73.74 -15.1% 37.17 3.0% 33.5 % 243.4 325.5 21 5/31 82.78 -10.1% 60.65 -12.9% 22.12 -1.4% 26.7 % 23.6 18.4 20 5/24 89.23 -13.7% 63.85 -15.3% 25.38 -9.3% 28.4 % 189.1 84.8 19 5/17 84.90 -11.9% 62.00 -12.3% 22.89 -10.9% 27.0 % 72.1 61.8 18 5/10 91.35 -22.5% 67.02 -19.8% 24.33 -29.0% 26.6 % 5.7 223.5 17 5/3 88.49 -15.2% 64.85 -14.1% 23.65 -18.2% 26.7 % 51.6 189.7 16 4/26 89.68 -11.1% 65.32 -10.6% 24.37 -12.3% 27.2 % 0.1 113.5 15 4/19 176.28 56.2% 122.89 54.5% 53.39 60.3% 30.3 % 295.8 162.8 14 4/12 148.32 45.2% 93.53 23.4% 54.79 108.0% 36.9 % 365.0 6.4 Q1 HMM 1813.70 -11.6% 1223.93 -14.2% 589.76 -5.7% 32.5% 3164.4 3103.6 13 4/5 136.35 6.0% 90.67 -1.5% 45.68 24.8% 33.5 % 165.9 0.4 12 3/29 149.53 -32.9% 99.72 -35.3% 49.81 -27.6% 33.3 % 187.8 297.1 11 3/22 241.91 18.3% 139.92 11.3% 101.98 29.5% 42.2 % 641.1 618.9 10 3/15 145.68 -10.9% 101.76 -8.6% 43.92 -15.8% 30.1 % 66.6 247.4 9 3/8 165.48 -15.3% 106.21 -20.7% 59.26 -3.4% 35.8 % 488.3 257.6 8 3/1 155.39 -12.4% 98.31 -23.9% 57.09 18.3% 36.7 % 503.8 315.7 7 2/22 127.22 -19.7% 88.74 -16.0% 38.47 -27.0% 30.2 % 0.2 247.3 6 2/15 155.64 -20.7% 111.97 -15.2% 43.67 -31.9% 28.1 % 162.8 368.9 5 2/8 117.08 -18.4% 84.67 -18.6% 32.41 -17.9% 27.7 % 144.0 171.1 4 2/1 118.53 -4.5% 84.08 -5.7% 34.46 -1.4% 29.1% 318.9 221.4 3 1/25 96.17 -7.9% 69.76 -11.4% 26.41 2.7% 27.5% 195.3 47.0 2 1/18 106.11 -10.2% 76.19 -11.5% 29.92 -6.8% 28.2% 261.6 213.6 1 1/11 98.61 -14.2% 71.93 -15.1% 26.68 -11.8% 27.1% 28.2 97.3 2013 HMM 7539.31 -8.3% 5242.51 -13.1% 2296.82 4.9% 30.5% 10668.2 10071.3 Q4 HMM 2766.93 -9.8% 1851.78 -14.0% 915.15 0.1% 33.1% 3728.2 3249.2 53 1/4 126.71 -11.6% 89.22 -14.9% 37.49 -2.5% 29.6% 24.5 67.2 52 12/28 272.62 14.2% 187.84 9.7% 84.77 25.6% 31.1% 83.8 11.9 51 12/21 386.85 -8.2% 261.74 -14.4% 125.11 8.2% 32.3% 406.8 284.4 50 12/14 330.14 -5.5% 203.04 -15.2% 127.10 15.7% 38.5% 617.5 493.4 49 12/7 230.30 -24.6% 151.36 -22.3% 78.94 -28.7% 34.3% 235.1 586.2 48 11/30 372.25 70.3% 253.10 64.6% 119.15 83.8% 32.0% 79.9 133.4 47 11/23 156.10 -60.0% 105.57 -62.3% 50.53 -54.0% 32.4% 354.0 85.0 46 11/16 149.93 -12.3% 94.62 -18.5% 55.31 0.9% 36.9% 376.1 326.6 45 11/9 124.86 -3.7% 87.74 -6.2% 37.12 2.7% 29.7% 209.3 315.0 44 11/2 128.93 2.0% 87.22 -9.4% 41.72 38.1% 32.4% 301.9 93.5 43 10/26 108.04 -27.3% 78.18 -28.3% 29.87 -24.6% 27.6% 212.5 227.0 42 10/19 131.05 -5.6% 87.75 -11.0% 43.30 7.7% 33.0% 293.5 350.8 41 10/12 119.64 -13.2% 81.55 -11.3% 38.09 -16.9% 31.8% 244.6 181.9 40 10/5 129.51 -12.4% 82.85 -14.9% 46.65 -7.6% 36.0% 288.6 93.1 Q3 DEG 1448.64 -13.4% 1011.45 -15.4% 437.19 -8.3% 30.2% (EST)273.9 15.9%(share) Q3 HMM 1401.22 -14.3% 1010.62 -16.4% 390.58 -8.4% 27.9% 2017.4 2145.2 39 9/28 125.64 -37.1% 79.05 -29.2% 46.59 -47.1% 37.1% 414.8 624.7 38 9/21 113.74 -4.1% 78.15 -13.1% 35.58 24.2% 31.3% 213.5 116.7 37 9/14 132.99 -1.9% 85.34 -15.8% 47.65 39.1% 35.8% 239.8 211.1 36 9/7 108.70 8.9% 80.72 -13.8% 27.98 8.9% 25.7% 123.8 46.5 35 8/31 114.52 -21.0% 84.31 -21.6% 30.21 -19.3% 26.4% 197.5 262.5 34 8/24 102.07 -29.3% 76.50 -28.1% 25.57 -32.7% 25.1% 146.4 105.5 33 8/17 101.24 -31.8% 75.14 -30.9% 26.10 -34.2% 25.8% 130.3 412.4 32 8/10 106.13 -8.3% 75.01 -13.4% 31.12 7.0% 29.3% 136.9 216.2 31 8/3 103.89 10.4% 75.15 -1.7% 28.74 62.5% 27.7% 125.4 0.1 30 7/27 91.47 -3.5% 71.25 -4.9% 20.21 1.8% 22.1% 3.9 18.5 29 7/20 101.61 -3.4% 76.01 -7.2% 25.60 9.8% 25.2% 159.9 81.0 28 7/13 99.26 -5.7% 76.13 -8.7% 23.13 6.0% 23.3% 124.3 59.6 27 7/6 99.96 -8.0% 77.86 -9.5% 22.10 -2.4% 22.1% 1.1 0.5 Q2 DEG 1457.26 -13.0% 1052.97 -16.7% 404.29 -1.5% 27.7% (EST)259.4 15.1%(share) Q2 HMM 1432.97 -13.2% 1031.66 -17.1% 401.32 -1.3% 28.0% 1777.3 2318.0 26 6/29 97.21 -21.8% 73.46 -20.8% 23.76 -24.7% 24.4% 78.1 350.5 25 6/22 109.92 -5.8% 79.23 -10.9% 30.69 10.7% 27.9% 135.0 98.6 24 6/15 145.76 -10.6% 98.08 -15.6% 47.68 1.9% 32.7% 334.2 275.5 23 6/8 122.79 -19.0% 86.72 -18.2% 36.06 -21.0% 29.4% 325.2 374.1 22 6/1 91.91 -18.9% 69.55 -20.2% 22.36 -14.4% 24.3% 18.4 37.0 21 5/25 103.15 -6.7% 75.17 -10.1% 27.98 3.8% 27.1% 84.8 178.2 20 5/18 96.09 -12.1% 70.43 -15.0% 25.67 -3.1% 26.7% 61.8 200.1 19 5/11 117.72 -5.1% 83.48 -11.5% 34.24 15.4% 29.1% 223.5 187.5 18 5/4 104.34 -4.3% 75.45 -12.1% 28.89 24.7% 27.7% 189.5 105.0 17 4/27 100.75 -4.2% 72.97 -8.6% 27.78 9.8% 27.6% 157.3 67.9 16 4/20 112.75 1.5% 79.45 -3.3% 33.30 14.9% 29.5% 162.8 236.0 15 4/13 102.06 -6.0% 75.74 -12.1% 26.32 17.6% 25.8% 6.4 51.8 14 4/6 128.52 -36.9% 91.93 -41.8% 36.59 -20.0% 28.5% 0.4 155.8 Q1 DEG 2098.83 2.1% 1455.55 -6.7% 643.28 28.5% 30.6% (EST)231.2 9.9%(share) Q1 HMM 2064.90 2.5% 1437.67 -6.2% 627.26 30.1% 30.4% 3169.8 2426.1 13 3/30 222.64 41.9% 153.75 26.4% 68.89 95.1% 30.9% 294.8 171.2 12 3/23 204.22 35.8% 125.59 14.6% 78.63 92.8% 38.5% 618.7 356.9 11 3/16 163.59 10.3% 111.45 -1.8% 52.15 49.6% 31.9% 244.8 279.2 10 3/9 195.09 19.0% 133.76 10.1% 61.33 44.3% 31.4% 256.6 216.0 9 3/2 177.32 15.9% 129.10 10.1% 48.23 35.0% 27.2% 315.6 82.3 8 2/23 158.25 -1.7% 105.48 -14.7% 52.77 41.6% 33.3% 251.0 274.4 7 2/16 196.00 -6.2% 131.73 -18.6% 64.27 36.6% 32.8% 368.6 16.2 6 2/9 143.36 -30.4% 103.88 -31.5% 39.48 -27.5% 27.5% 171.1 321.4 5 2/2 124.02 -15.3% 89.11 -19.9% 34.91 -0.8% 28.1% 221.2 118.7 4 1/26 104.36 -19.8% 78.68 -18.6% 25.69 -23.2% 24.6% 46.5 226.0 3 1/19 118.15 -7.3% 88.02 -14.7% 32.13 20.7% 27.2% 213.2 114.0 2 1/12 114.83 -8.9% 84.56 -13.8% 30.27 8.1% 26.4% 96.8 116.2 1 1/5 143.07 5.5% 104.56 -0.1% 38.51 24.4% 26.9% 67.2 134.3
10-05-16, 09:31 AM
#4267
Moderator
re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
A work colleague and I are part of a team that's putting in some new technology on our campus and he keeps saying we only need DVD layers. I say just spend the extra $25 and get a good Blu-ray player, to which he keeps saying, "Blu-ray is a dead technology."
Anybody have any talking points I can counter this with so we can just get the stinkin' Blu-ray player?
Anybody have any talking points I can counter this with so we can just get the stinkin' Blu-ray player?
10-05-16, 10:03 AM
#4268
DVD Talk Hero
re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
10-05-16, 10:05 AM
#4269
DVD Talk Legend
re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
You'll also get the benefit of the Bluray players upconverting the DVDs so they'll look a little better.
10-05-16, 12:03 PM
#4270
re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
A work colleague and I are part of a team that's putting in some new technology on our campus and he keeps saying we only need DVD layers. I say just spend the extra $25 and get a good Blu-ray player, to which he keeps saying, "Blu-ray is a dead technology."
Anybody have any talking points I can counter this with so we can just get the stinkin' Blu-ray player?
Anybody have any talking points I can counter this with so we can just get the stinkin' Blu-ray player?
That said... you said "campus" so is that a school or are you using "campus" to mean your grounds? If it's a school... I'd likely go with neither and let each teacher decide for themselves if they even need the technology. Some do, many do not. In that setting you'd likely do better with Apple TV or Chromecast (depends on your PC tech) and have them project from the computer - unless bandwidth limitations prevent media streaming or that's blocked (either likely if you're a school).
Other than that... Blu-ray is no more "dead" than DVD. Both are on the decline but neither are "dead."
10-05-16, 05:59 PM
#4271
DVD Talk Hero
re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
A work colleague and I are part of a team that's putting in some new technology on our campus and he keeps saying we only need DVD layers. I say just spend the extra $25 and get a good Blu-ray player, to which he keeps saying, "Blu-ray is a dead technology."
Anybody have any talking points I can counter this with so we can just get the stinkin' Blu-ray player?
Anybody have any talking points I can counter this with so we can just get the stinkin' Blu-ray player?
10-16-16, 09:40 PM
#4275
DVD Talk Special Edition
re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder
It's corporate culture that panics any time there is a downturn.
Every format will eventually level-out in sales as catalogue titles peter-out. That's natural and expected. Had Napster and downloading never happened, CD sales would have been on the decline because everyone that wanted "The Eagles Greatest Hits" has already bought it.
Eventually every format will have to coast along on a strength of new releases. That will mean a downturn in sales. There's no way around it other than attempting to re-issue titles in a better format and hope consumers bite (again & again).
Physical media still makes money, it's just less than what the bean-counters were accustomed to.