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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by Gambit
(Post 11650370)
That wasn't the point of the analogy. The analogy is in reference to the fact that you brought up the Alison Theus example and deemed it comparable to this one because it had the same premise: asking for money for surgery. Ignoring all other more important considerations, you questioned why people are demanding details in this case and not in the other one.
And, again, ignoring the Extra Credits fundraiser, there's plenty other health-related fundraisers on IndieGogo, all with varying levels of details and "proof." http://www.indiegogo.com/projects?fi...ategory=Health Here's one where practically no information is given, just the name of the individual and that he needs help: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-few-bucks-for-mike |
Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by Tarantino
(Post 11650411)
I guess we'll all find out soon enough, eh?
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by Jay G.
(Post 11650467)
Here's one where practically no information is given, just the name of the individual and that he needs help:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/a-few-bucks-for-mike |
Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Jay G really wants to believe.
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by fumanstan
(Post 11651214)
Jay G really wants to believe.
Anyway, still no money back from indiegogo. They got til wednesday as far as I'm concerned. |
Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Odd that there has been no update to this. The Destructoid editor says he got the true story, but won't report it:
I wish I could tell you the details of the post. Please trust that I did do the reporting, once our readers stated suspicion. I spoke to many parties and got the full story, as soon as humanly possible, to the point where it's all I did for two days and fell behind in my editorial duties. Unfortunately, I can't share that publicly (nor will I share it with anyone privately, I'm sorry). It's for the benefit of everyone if we move on and look at this as something to learn from. |
Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
That doesn't prove anything!
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by wmansir
(Post 11659865)
Odd that there has been no update to this. The Destructoid editor says he got the true story, but won't report it:
http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Cai...ment-859224409 Project Zombiod has decided to give the money they had raised (that IndieGogo refunded) to Médecins Sans Frontières: http://projectzomboid.com/blog/index...nation-update/ |
Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
I don't believe anyone who says "Believe me, I know the truth. I just can't tell you. Neener neener."
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Maybe the reality is ridiculously embarrassing.
Turns out, it was just gas. |
Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Probably the real story was told off the record, or there wasn't enough verifiable facts to avoid a possible libel suit if he tried to tell the story second hand.
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by destructoid
I wish I could tell you the details of the post. Please trust that I did do the reporting, once our readers stated suspicion. I spoke to many parties and got the full story, as soon as humanly possible, to the point where it's all I did for two days and fell behind in my editorial duties. Unfortunately, I can't share that publicly (nor will I share it with anyone privately, I'm sorry). It's for the benefit of everyone if we move on and look at this as something to learn from.
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by Duran
(Post 11660292)
I got a novel idea: how about you do some "reporting" before your readers have to raise some suspicions? Maybe talk to the subject? Ask for verification? Speak with doctors? Speak with insurance companies? Research the lawsuits? Anything?
This has been a wakeup call to us all, and we are discussing new policies that will prevent us from running into these problems in the future. |
Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by Duran
(Post 11660292)
I got a novel idea: how about you do some "reporting" before your readers have to raise some suspicions? Maybe talk to the subject? Ask for verification? Speak with doctors? Speak with insurance companies? Research the lawsuits? Anything?
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by fumanstan
(Post 11660643)
Seems like something sites that fund these ventures should be the ones verifying, to me.
That said, Indiegogo has some measures in place, and one could argue that such measures worked in this case, as the campaign was stopped and the money refunded. Indiegogo had also previously ended a campaign that had been started by a friend, and had suspended this campaign earlier, although they later let it continue for unknown reasons. http://www.indiegogo.com/trust Our team of anti-fraud experts focuses on keeping our community safe. They’re responsible for developing new features to create a more secure and trustworthy environment for you. Our anti-fraud systems constantly monitor the performance of our product, helping us identify and eliminate fraudulent activity and scams... When you’re contemplating contributing to a campaign, consider all of the information available to decide whether and how much to give. It’s important to consider the strategic plan behind the campaign and to understand how your contribution will be used. Get familiar with the team running the campaign. Check the Funders tab on the campaign page to see if others have already contributed. If a campaign is marked as “Verified Nonprofit,” you can be sure that your contribution will go directly to the nonprofit organization identified. Kickstarter, by comparison, is considerably more lax: http://www.kickstarter.com/help/faq/kickstarter+basics Does Kickstarter screen projects before they launch? Only a quick review to make sure they meet our project guidelines. Kickstarter does not investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. Backers ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it. See the Accountability section for more... Kickstarter does not guarantee projects or investigate a creator's ability to complete their project. On Kickstarter, backers (you!) ultimately decide the validity and worthiness of a project by whether they decide to fund it... Kickstarter's Terms of Use require creators to fulfill all rewards of their project or refund any backer whose reward they do not or cannot fulfill. (This is what creators see before they launch.) We crafted these terms to create a legal requirement for creators to follow through on their projects, and to give backers a recourse if they don't. We hope that backers will consider using this provision only in cases where they feel that a creator has not made a good faith effort to complete the project and fulfill. |
Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by Jay G.
(Post 11660670)
Well, the sites aren't providing the funding, just a venue/forum to receive funding on, minus their cut.
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by Jay G.
(Post 11660570)
That was kinda the point of the thread the comment was on, and they directly addressed that in a part that wmansir didn't quote:
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by Duran
(Post 11660876)
Yes, I did read the comments. They say, "We've been talking about this since the IndieGoGo story and are going to be way more selective of what we promote going in the future." That's not my point. If they claim to be reporters, they should be investigating the claim, not deciding on whether they "promote" it or not.
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Welp, just for the few folks who did contribute...it took a paypal claim but I got my $20 back. It was resolved fairly quickly too, just a couple of days. Might as well, since the person isn't getting the money anyway.
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
I don't know if this is a hoax or not, but she just made a post about killing herself live on Twitch tv
http://gyazo.com/70679d3a2f28b7e61d5fa6741bfeae36 an attention whore to the end. |
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Her twitch page has already been closed down.
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Is she dead Jim?
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Yeah, on Facebook she's been making random very occasional comments about not wanting to live anymore, I can't do it, etc within the last couple of weeks. Very disconcerting, very sad too. She's seeking attention, that's for sure, but if she did go ahead and end it, its a tragedy regardless whether she had metal poisoning or not. It's a shame, darn shame.
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Originally Posted by arminius
(Post 11688932)
Is she dead Jim?
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Re: Dying Indie Developer seeks crowd funding
Allistair Pinsof of Destructoid has written a post claiming that Chloe is transgender, and was raising the funds for sex reassignment surgery. He claims she had threatened suicide if he told anyone, which is why he kept quiet until now.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1rk99tp Allistair caused a minor controversy when some initial tweets from him referred to Chloe as a "he," and said that SRS wasn't a "vital" procedure http://storify.com/pixiemania/this-i...tm_source=t.co |
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