Of course. I'm familiar with the formula.

However, if you get your medic waxed trying to defib your teammate you negate the utility of the revive. And with the excessive damage.... you're just as likely to get yourself dead as you are to revive a teammate.

I don't seem to have that problem. Sounds more like the problem is reckless gameplay. If you go running into the middle of a battlefield while bullets are flying, you're going to get killed. But if you play smart, it can be a useful tool. I'd say my ratio of successfully reviving vs killed while reviving is around 5:1.

I've played I don't know how many dozen hours of BFBC2 as a medic. I'm playing the same game I play in BFBC2.

This is not fun.

If you're playing with a decent squad, you can do plenty of reviving because you're moving as a group. When you're running with a bunch of randoms that's not the case. I honestly don't care about your revive ratio. I'm in the mid 20 levels on BFBC2 playing almost exclusively medic. I'm at least capable of playing the class. But the game is just not enjoyable right now on so many different levels.

I played for about 1/2 hour yesterday... that's all I could take. This beta was a colossal step backwards in terms of gameplay fun. If I took a step ANYWHERE in open territory, I was sniped. the only way to play was to run the periphery of the map -- which is time consuming and negates the help of having cover.

As others have mentioned this game is trying to be too real. I want fun, not real.

This. I can't repeat this enough. I just hope that someone is listening.

It's not hard to adjust either. Make this "hardcore" mode and use "normal" mode for lesser hit damage. The fact that it's such an easy fix is the lone reason I haven't cancelled my pre-order yet. It's such an astounding step backwards in the "fun" department that I've got to believe it'll get adjusted. On the other hand, they've made the beta-testing response system such a clusterfuck that they may not care.

For those that can't access joystiq from work:

Hmm. That's not particularly encouraging despite the part about the more than intended damage while running. So you're telling me that if I were standing still, I'd have taken less damage?

Looks like. Who knows. Hopefully they are fixing much more too. I still say I'm not going to judge the game based on this one level. I've seen things that are encouraging as well.

All BS aside, they could have use the BFBC2 formula but added modes, maps and weapons - voila... BF3.

I'm surprised by all the bitching. I've quite enjoyed my time with the Beta. Played it all weekend in fact.

At first I was a bit concerned, but it didn't take me long to really get into it and this still feels like a Battlefield game through and through.

I do have some complaints, and that is mostly the extent to which destruction seems to be scaled WAY back - at least in this map. In BF:BC2, everything can be destroyed. Rockets create craters in the ground, blast through fences, bring down buildings, and destroy shrubs and brush. This just isn't the case in Metro. I barely even noticed the destruction because most of it was strictly cosmetic. Some tiles breaking on the corner of a wall or concrete chipping away from a cement block.

Pretty disappointing if this is how all the maps are. Nothing was more satisfying than in BC2, surveying the battlefield and having it look like a Battlefield. No bushes, no grass, no buildings. Just a bunch of black holes in the ground and the wreckage of tanks and structures smoldering. You don't get that feeling at all in this map. The destruction is seriously weak, and seems limited to mere portions of the buildings toward the end of the map.

Other than that though, the game plays well. I can't believe some of you think the player damage is to low. I'm a hardcore only player, and if this were the hardcore mode as another poster suggested above, I would be irate. Enemies take way too many bullets to go down, and in typical COD fashion, the SMGs seem like the most powerful weapons, which is annoying to me.

The graphics in this game are unreal. I'm playing with all ultra settings and everything maxed, and it is probably one of the best looking games I've ever played. The texture work and lighting is amazing. I just hope this didn't come at the cost of destructible environments. We've only seen two of the maps at this point, so I'm holding out hope, but it doesn't seem promising that this game will have anything close to the destructability of BC2.

I keep telling myself this is a beta test. I'm able to talk myself off the canceling-ledge. They've admitted that they're using an old build to test the servers.

I can see some gameplay value in the forced teamwork. The extreme damage forces you to move as a group, slowly taking ground, relying on your skills as a group. I get it.

But that doesn't make it fun.

And I want to take one of those garbage cans in the park above the Metro Station (that I can't destroy, mind you) and bash all of those fuckers that just lie prone around the COMs and wait to snipe you.

But this is what it feels like to me. It's an upgrade of BC2 which is a good thing.

But BC2 was good... Madden is 25+ years old.

A visual upgrade (as long as DICE is correct about the bugs being fixed) maybe. I am tired of being sucked into the ground in the BF3 beta though. The environments also cause me to get stuck quite frequently forcing me to suicide. Poles, bushes, benches.... all treacherous.

But an upgrade would imply an improvement in gameplay mechanics and we certainly haven't seen that yet. Squad mechanics and organization are still busted. Plus all the other issues that have been duly noted in this thread.

I'm still giving DICE the benefit of the doubt with the glitches. They've said repeatedly that this build is more than a month old. Why release a month-old build? I'm a little lost on the logic but I'm just going along with it.

I canceled my preorder. I'll wait for reviews.

Yeah, Madden has been the same for 25 years

Taking a break on the beta. I'll wait for the full version with punkbuster enabled. Folks are already using wall hacks and aimbots.

School a newbie on that stuff: what are wall hacks and aimbots and other cheats that people do?

This is to understand what's going on, not to use 'em.

I downloaded the beta and played for 5-10 mins yesterday and then deleted it. It was such a mess I wasn’t going to waste time dealing with it. My main focus is on the single player campaign anyway. If it’s great I’ll pick it up. If it’s just OK (I’m looking at you MOH!) then I’ll rent it and move on.

wallhacks allow you to see other players through solid objects

an aimbot is just a very effective auto-aim. Some even aim and shoot for you so all you have to do is point in the general direction of the opponent.

Literal much?

Madden's been a roster makeover for years. BC2 had a GREAT thing going for it and it didn't need an overhaul to be as competitive with CoD. As a matter of fact, much is the same except they f'ing broke the MP gameplay. They only needed to improve on it -- that was my point.

Really really nervous about my BF3 preorder.

But I will fully play BC2 forever if necessary.

I'm not. There's no way this game doesn't get properly tweaked given the feedback. If they blow BF3, they blow it forever... they'll never win when it comes to CoD and the backlash and verbal abuse they'll get from Activision / IW will be brutal.

Still not sure what everyone's problem with this beta is. I think it's great.

I'm still loving it. Hate all the crappy teammates, mostly snipers who like camping behind the objective, often in groups of three. But when you get on a good team, this game is much better than BC2 in my opinion. Nothing matches a group of 5-10 guys slowly and methodically working their way through the subway tunnels it gets really intense. I also love the size and variety of the map. Lots of good spots for crazy battles. Especially the part where the attackers need to get up the escalators towards the end. I think people just need time to learn the maps and gameplay tempo.

Sure, I'm still kind of disappointed in the destruction on Metro, but from what I've heard from people who got to play Caspian, that won't be the case on all the maps. Apparently the entire map on Caspian can pretty much be leveled just like BC2. Plus, there are six other maps we haven't even seen yet - not to mention the new Karkand maps for preorders.

I've also read we (at least on PC) will be getting full squad management in the final version.

Overall, while BC2 feels more light and fast paced, BF3 feels much more intense and real. I quite like it. And the graphics are still blowing my mind.