Mass Effect 3
03-26-12, 04:03 PM
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Re: Mass Effect 3
So lets say you had led a really good life with your soulmate, you had many children, grandkids, you travelled, you lived life to your fullest.
Then you get on your deathbed, your soulmate is by your side, and in the final hours, she essentially tells you your life together was a lie, that your children were fathered by your best friend, that your 'soulmate' never loved you and she played a giant act.
Sure your journey was awesome, but in those final moments, all you are going to think about is that betrayal. Does it mean your experiences as you lived that life weren't real experiences at the time? That you didn't enjoy that journey? No.
But does it tarnish it a somewhat? That everything you lived for and known was kind of a ruse or a lie?
Then you get on your deathbed, your soulmate is by your side, and in the final hours, she essentially tells you your life together was a lie, that your children were fathered by your best friend, that your 'soulmate' never loved you and she played a giant act.
Sure your journey was awesome, but in those final moments, all you are going to think about is that betrayal. Does it mean your experiences as you lived that life weren't real experiences at the time? That you didn't enjoy that journey? No.
But does it tarnish it a somewhat? That everything you lived for and known was kind of a ruse or a lie?
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comparing this game's ending to such a ridiculous scenario.
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03-26-12, 07:56 PM
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03-26-12, 10:50 PM
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It's humorous to see all the crying about the ending, but I really hope Bioware doesn't actually change it. That would be setting a horrid precedent.
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03-26-12, 11:18 PM
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Games are just different, and different rules apply to their narrative/construction than do to traditional story-based media such as books or movies.
03-26-12, 11:24 PM
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They should have changed the horrific gameplay of Fallout 3. Or was it actually worse than "Derelict Subway Crawler 2000" before? zzzzzzzzzzzz
03-27-12, 12:16 AM
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I'll just be over here working on my third playthrough of Fallout 3 and not taking that particular bait.
Except to say that you should try New Vegas, it's a better and more well-rounded game overall, with no subways that I can recall.
Except to say that you should try New Vegas, it's a better and more well-rounded game overall, with no subways that I can recall.
03-27-12, 12:35 AM
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Not to derail thread but how did Bethesda change fallout 3 ending, in an expansion pack? I just started playing the GOTY edition today
03-27-12, 01:04 AM
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Your character originally died at the end of the main quest in the non-GOTY Fallout 3, regardless of any choices made throughout the game, unfinished sidequests, or anything else. It was a really abrupt, unsatisfying ending, and players weren't happy (sound familiar?). The expansion pack Broken Steel made it so that your character merely passed out rather than dying. It provided more resolution to the story through additional quests and allowed for total free roam after they were completed. It also upped the level cap and added additional enemy types.
It was a pretty major change to the original game as released, there was almost universal agreement that all the changes were for the better, and the art of storytelling did not die, so it's relevant to this discussion.
It was a pretty major change to the original game as released, there was almost universal agreement that all the changes were for the better, and the art of storytelling did not die, so it's relevant to this discussion.
03-27-12, 03:33 AM
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So basically, no video game company can ever kill off their main character, or fans will absolutely lose their shit.
I assume it only worked for
because you could take control of his son and still complete the precious side-quests at game's end.
I assume it only worked for
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03-27-12, 07:50 AM
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Re: Mass Effect 3
You guys might want to spoilerify those endings to off topic games. This isn't their respective threads where the statute of limitations can be argued away.
03-27-12, 08:11 AM
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03-27-12, 08:32 AM
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I think the "abrupt, unsatisfying" part is the key. Your example only reinforces this, since the ending of that game was very emotionally satisfying despite what happened. People want resolution even if it's not happy fun time.
03-27-12, 10:08 AM
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03-27-12, 10:32 AM
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I still think it is ridiculous to get so upset about the ending of Mass Effect 3. I understand hating it, but I just don't see how it ruins 3 amazing games...
I don't think killing off the main character is the reason for the hate though. I guess the best example I can think of is Bioshock. I am going to avoid spoilers but you had more than one ending possible with that game..and while a lot of people hated the final boss...I don't remember a lot of complaints about the actual ending....
I don't think killing off the main character is the reason for the hate though. I guess the best example I can think of is Bioshock. I am going to avoid spoilers but you had more than one ending possible with that game..and while a lot of people hated the final boss...I don't remember a lot of complaints about the actual ending....
03-27-12, 10:33 AM
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So it was abrupt, so what? So it wasn't neat? Who really cares? You can make up a story for what happened to Garrus at the end, if not knowing truly pains you so. It doesn't ruin three games. It doesn't warrant fans returning their games to stores and demanding refunds while foaming at the mouth, and it certainly doesn't warrant destroying a company (People have actually been reporting Bioware to the BBB and trashing their rating over this crap).
The other 99.9% of Mass Effect was some of the greatest gaming I've ever had the pleasure of engaging in. The paragon ending of Priority: Rannoch was one of the most beautiful gaming moments I've ever seen ("Keelah se'lai"). Five minutes of starchild certainly doesn't ruin that for me.
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03-27-12, 10:37 AM
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and the thing is...why are we even talking about killing off the main character...
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Mass Effect may have been about saving all life, but the games are very personal with your character and crew. We did not get closure with the ending. That is the main reason for the hate I think.
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Mass Effect may have been about saving all life, but the games are very personal with your character and crew. We did not get closure with the ending. That is the main reason for the hate I think.
03-27-12, 10:41 AM
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it does not need to be wrapped up in a nice neat little package...but it would have been nice to have a least a bit of a package...I think the ending of Bioshock lasted all of 2 minutes...if that
03-27-12, 10:58 AM
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No, they're about game players being completely unable to deal with receiving an ending that doesn't tell them what happened to all their very-bestest favorite characters at the end as everything is wrapped up for them in a nice, neat little package. Far be it for a game company to try something different. If a TV show or a book (or hell, any other conceivable form of entertainment) pulled this, we'd all have to just accept it, but with a video game - no, we apparently have the right to demand a brand new ending, in some of the rudest ways possible.
So it was abrupt, so what? So it wasn't neat? Who really cares? You can make up a story for what happened to Garrus at the end, if not knowing truly pains you so. It doesn't ruin three games. It doesn't warrant fans returning their games to stores and demanding refunds while foaming at the mouth, and it certainly doesn't warrant destroying a company (People have actually been reporting Bioware to the BBB and trashing their rating over this crap).
The other 99.9% of Mass Effect was some of the greatest gaming I've ever had the pleasure of engaging in. The paragon ending of Priority: Rannoch was one of the most beautiful gaming moments I've ever seen ("Keelah se'lai"). Five minutes of starchild certainly doesn't ruin that for me.
So it was abrupt, so what? So it wasn't neat? Who really cares? You can make up a story for what happened to Garrus at the end, if not knowing truly pains you so. It doesn't ruin three games. It doesn't warrant fans returning their games to stores and demanding refunds while foaming at the mouth, and it certainly doesn't warrant destroying a company (People have actually been reporting Bioware to the BBB and trashing their rating over this crap).
The other 99.9% of Mass Effect was some of the greatest gaming I've ever had the pleasure of engaging in. The paragon ending of Priority: Rannoch was one of the most beautiful gaming moments I've ever seen ("Keelah se'lai"). Five minutes of starchild certainly doesn't ruin that for me.
03-27-12, 11:12 AM
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Also, I still think that if the Indoctrination theory is true, then the ending is freaking brilliant.
At this point, it would probably be in Bioware's best interest to just adopt it, even if that was never what was intended.
At this point, it would probably be in Bioware's best interest to just adopt it, even if that was never what was intended.
03-27-12, 11:29 AM
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So it was abrupt, so what? So it wasn't neat? Who really cares?
It doesn't ruin three games. It doesn't warrant fans returning their games to stores and demanding refunds while foaming at the mouth, and it certainly doesn't warrant destroying a company (People have actually been reporting Bioware to the BBB and trashing their rating over this crap).
The other 99.9% of Mass Effect was some of the greatest gaming I've ever had the pleasure of engaging in. The paragon ending of Priority: Rannoch was one of the most beautiful gaming moments I've ever seen ("Keelah se'lai"). Five minutes of starchild certainly doesn't ruin that for me.
03-27-12, 06:00 PM
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Well, at least some good came out of all this: Gamers Send BioWare 400 Cupcakes
I feel like this was the master plan all along. Well played, Bioware.
Proving once and for all that cupcakes are the solution to all of life's woes, a group of BioWare fans has organized a shipment of 400 delicious pastries to the Mass Effect creator's office in Edmonton, Canada.
Their goal is to protest Mass Effect 3's controversial ending bygiving everyone at BioWare diabetes trying to prove a point about cupcakes all tasting the same or something? I dunno.
Posting on BioWare's official forums, user LoganKey writes:
They've already raised $1,000 and enlisted the services of Edmonton-based pastry shop Fuss Cupcakes for their holy campaign.
Their goal is to protest Mass Effect 3's controversial ending by
Posting on BioWare's official forums, user LoganKey writes:
We are currently trying to organize the delivery of a mass of cupcakes to Bioware's studio in Edmonton. All the cupcakes will be divided into equal parts Red, Blue and Green colors... but they will all taste exactly the same. If you'd like to participate, please check out the thread below and let us know.
This coming week, we should send Bioware boxes upon boxes of a dozen cupcakes. We are taking ideas as to what sort of notes we should have attached on each box. Some possibilities include:
- "No matter what color you choose, they all taste the same";
- "No matter what color you choose, it's all vanilla ;-D"
- "We rage because we love"
This coming week, we should send Bioware boxes upon boxes of a dozen cupcakes. We are taking ideas as to what sort of notes we should have attached on each box. Some possibilities include:
- "No matter what color you choose, they all taste the same";
- "No matter what color you choose, it's all vanilla ;-D"
- "We rage because we love"
03-27-12, 06:41 PM
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Well, at least some good came out of all this: Gamers Send BioWare 400 Cupcakes
I feel like this was the master plan all along. Well played, Bioware.
I feel like this was the master plan all along. Well played, Bioware.
03-27-12, 08:44 PM
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Well, at least some good came out of all this: Gamers Send BioWare 400 Cupcakes
I feel like this was the master plan all along. Well played, Bioware.
I feel like this was the master plan all along. Well played, Bioware.
03-28-12, 06:23 AM
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Re: Mass Effect 3
Finally finished it yesterday. Although the Catalyst did not turn out to be what I expected, the end scenario played out pretty much as I thought it would
But I gotta say that, despite some dangling threads from ME2
I really enjoyed it.
As for the ending I chose,
All in all, I don't feel the ending deserves the hate it gets.
Oh and as for
I thought it worked well in
That's an interesting article. And seems like a logical scenario for an ME4.
Interesting because I
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As for the ending I chose,
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All in all, I don't feel the ending deserves the hate it gets.
Oh and as for
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This is a lengthy, but very interesting fan-created read: A Logical Breakdown of Why the Mass Effect 3 Ending Makes No Sense
And despite the title, it's not an all-out negfest. It's more of a discussion of the theory that I mentioned earlier, and the one pinata alluded to a few posts above this one. It pretty much proves the argument (imo) that
And despite the title, it's not an all-out negfest. It's more of a discussion of the theory that I mentioned earlier, and the one pinata alluded to a few posts above this one. It pretty much proves the argument (imo) that
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