Mass Effect 3
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No one's arguing that Miranda's gratuitous ass-shots and huge tits didn't serve their purpose of titillating male players. Her providing fan-service is probably the only reason she isn't as hated as Jacob (especially since there are still more male players than female players for ME). Just as Jacob's gratuitous ab shots and popularity with female fans doesn't mean that he's exactly "universally despised". According to most polls and basic fan inquiries easily viewable on Bioware's forums, however, these two (along with Zaeed) are pretty much the most unpopular characters in the series. Them's just the facts.
No need to defend yourselves. Every character in every form of fiction ever made certainly has fans. It's how many fans they have (or how many bother to vote in things like polls and surveys) that matters.
Looking back on it, I am surprised that NO Mass Effect 2 teammates were made available as team mates in ME3, but then again, Garrus, Tali, and Liara are the most popular, Thane, Mordin, and Legion (the most popular characters from ME2) had their own stories, EDI was widely-requested to be made a team member, and they needed someone as ignorant as Vega for the new players.
No need to defend yourselves. Every character in every form of fiction ever made certainly has fans. It's how many fans they have (or how many bother to vote in things like polls and surveys) that matters.
Looking back on it, I am surprised that NO Mass Effect 2 teammates were made available as team mates in ME3, but then again, Garrus, Tali, and Liara are the most popular, Thane, Mordin, and Legion (the most popular characters from ME2) had their own stories, EDI was widely-requested to be made a team member, and they needed someone as ignorant as Vega for the new players.
#1029
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It's okay, Dragon Tattoo. I'm just surprised Miranda was so disliked since her fans are very vocal. Much like how the haters of Jacob "The Prize" Taylor are very vocal.
But what about Kasumi? Despite being a DLC character, fans seemed to gush over her. They even wanted her to be romanceable in ME3.
My point was that, although the characters needn't have been integral to the plot (and, truly, very few of the squad mates in ME2 had any real impact to the main plot), it would have been far more enjoyable to have them available as squad members (even if only for a mission or two) instead of simple cameo appearances.
Hell, Wrex should have been playable throughout the whole business on Tuchanka. Likewise for Grunt when you encounter the Rachni, Samara when you first encounter the Banshees, etc.
But what about Kasumi? Despite being a DLC character, fans seemed to gush over her. They even wanted her to be romanceable in ME3.
My point was that, although the characters needn't have been integral to the plot (and, truly, very few of the squad mates in ME2 had any real impact to the main plot), it would have been far more enjoyable to have them available as squad members (even if only for a mission or two) instead of simple cameo appearances.
Hell, Wrex should have been playable throughout the whole business on Tuchanka. Likewise for Grunt when you encounter the Rachni, Samara when you first encounter the Banshees, etc.
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Kasumi was very popular, but being a DLC character (and the last released) always held her back. I've long lost the link but apparently very few players download DLC characters. I remember it being some surprisingly low number.
Well, it surprised me, since Kasumi's awesome.
There was apparently a bit of tweaking done to Thane's story, too, since (according to Patrick Weekes) the developers initially forgot that he could be a love interest for female Shepards.
I'm sure most of these concessions came down to budget and time (and EA) more than anything, though, since there's a ton of deleted scenes (such as this: http://i.imgur.com/Q9DmN.jpg) and dialogue (such as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI1oUAUe4Qg) being released on the ME forums recently.
Well, it surprised me, since Kasumi's awesome.
There was apparently a bit of tweaking done to Thane's story, too, since (according to Patrick Weekes) the developers initially forgot that he could be a love interest for female Shepards.
I'm sure most of these concessions came down to budget and time (and EA) more than anything, though, since there's a ton of deleted scenes (such as this: http://i.imgur.com/Q9DmN.jpg) and dialogue (such as this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI1oUAUe4Qg) being released on the ME forums recently.
#1031
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I can't go to youtube at work but that picture shows one hell of a scene. i hope that gets added back in the "extended cut".
#1032
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Late, but I finally got the time to beat it today, along with play some multiplayer. Not to mention going back and reading all the spoilers about the ending and everyone's thoughts.
Not that pissed about the ending, although it was definitely a bit of letdown. I don't see how that gets so many people up and arms, but that's the internet I suppose.
I really enjoyed the game overall though. I like the notion that was mentioned that the whole game was kind of an ending; characters got their resolutions in throughout the journey up until the end, and that's satisfying enough for me. I'm glad they got rid of the vehicles and stupid shit like mineral scanning, but the trade off was even crappier side quests. Seems like the only thing they couldn't get right no matter how they changed them.
I actually enjoy the multiplayer, more so then Gears of War. Probably because the biotics make the fights more interesting to me. Not sure how much I'll play now that i've beat the game, but I do want to do a whole trilogy run through choosing a bunch of different options for kicks.
Not that pissed about the ending, although it was definitely a bit of letdown. I don't see how that gets so many people up and arms, but that's the internet I suppose.
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I really enjoyed the game overall though. I like the notion that was mentioned that the whole game was kind of an ending; characters got their resolutions in throughout the journey up until the end, and that's satisfying enough for me. I'm glad they got rid of the vehicles and stupid shit like mineral scanning, but the trade off was even crappier side quests. Seems like the only thing they couldn't get right no matter how they changed them.
I actually enjoy the multiplayer, more so then Gears of War. Probably because the biotics make the fights more interesting to me. Not sure how much I'll play now that i've beat the game, but I do want to do a whole trilogy run through choosing a bunch of different options for kicks.
#1033
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The ending isn't as bad as people are making it out to be. However, the abruptness of the ending and the lack of a proper epilogue was very irksome. I did like the post credits scene but that really only serves as a bonus rather than a proper epilogue.
The only reason I didn't pick that option is because
The only reason I didn't pick that option is because
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#1034
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Dunno if it's legit or not but apparently details about the extended cut were posted on 4chan.
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#1039
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Just because the outside of the Citadel is all metal, doesn't mean the interior flooring is the same. Also, the sound mix in that scene doesn't sound earthbound.
Unless you're clinging to IT. It's a fun little theory but really screams fanfic.
Unless you're clinging to IT. It's a fun little theory but really screams fanfic.
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#1041
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Oh, okay. In any case, that ending is very ambiguous since the camera stays close to the ground, you see no other people, and there are no identifying landmarks. That's why I doubt it's
as some fans have assumed.
I must say, I like the idea behind this abandoned ending:
Especially since it did something with that whole "dark energy" subplot that's brought up when you recruit Tali in ME2.
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I must say, I like the idea behind this abandoned ending:
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Especially since it did something with that whole "dark energy" subplot that's brought up when you recruit Tali in ME2.
Deleted scenes:
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a big flaw with this game is if you are playing an adept.
as an adept, i rarely ever fire my gun. all the stuff i find is for weapons and armor, which doesn't do me any good.
as an adept, i rarely ever fire my gun. all the stuff i find is for weapons and armor, which doesn't do me any good.
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I keep meaning to play as the other classes but, aside from the demos, I've only ever played as a Soldier.
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I also really enjoyed Sniper, but that almost makes the game too easy, even on Insanity. Especially once you max out damage and the time slowing ability.
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Yeah, really. I like using all the different guns and armour (though the latter was de-emphasized in the sequels) so I always stick with Soldier in these games.
And when ME2 (and ME3) allowed me to assign Biotic abilities to my male Shepard, such classes became pointless in my eyes.
As for sniping, I had a maxed out Widow Rifle in ME2 that could take out anything. I can almost do the same in ME3 but it seems the Widow is no longer as overpowered (once maxed out) as before.
And when ME2 (and ME3) allowed me to assign Biotic abilities to my male Shepard, such classes became pointless in my eyes.

As for sniping, I had a maxed out Widow Rifle in ME2 that could take out anything. I can almost do the same in ME3 but it seems the Widow is no longer as overpowered (once maxed out) as before.
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Yeah. But not all at once. Basically you earn the Biotic and special abilities from each of your squadmates and pick one while on the Normandy. I used to double team folk with Slam from my Soldier Shepard and Shockwave from Jack in ME2.
I really missed Shockwave in ME3.
I really missed Shockwave in ME3.
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Yeah. But not all at once. Basically you earn the Biotic and special abilities from each of your squadmates and pick one while on the Normandy. I used to double team folk with Slam from my Soldier Shepard and Shockwave from Jack in ME2.
I really missed Shockwave in ME3.
I really missed Shockwave in ME3.

They made up for it with the addition of Nova, however.
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playing adept is also very powerful and makes the game too easy.
once i figured out that i was carrying too many weapons and had a biotics penalty.
i removed all my guns except 1 or 2.
now all i do is warp/singularity/energy drain.
once i figured out that i was carrying too many weapons and had a biotics penalty.
i removed all my guns except 1 or 2.
now all i do is warp/singularity/energy drain.



