xmiyux

But that is kind of my point. Organizing a split-screen session requires the same effort. Basically the best case scenario for split-screen play requires the same effort of the worst-case scenario of online play (in this case an abandoned online community).

Also, organizing a group online through a clan, forum, or with a huge number of friends not limited by proximity is hella easier.

PixyJunket

When you say "majority of consumers" do you mean you?

Realistically, this is only a HUGE selling point for the VERY narrow demographic of Halo players.

Realistically, that VERY narrow demographic probably has very little interest in this game to begin with.

I'm not saying local co-op would better sell the game, but online co-op isn't helping it either.

pinata242

I love playing multiplayer and I hate playing Halo. I think there's an awful lot of hyperbole being thrown around here and it's very, very tiring.

superfro

You're seriously making the case that more gamers want local co-op over online co-op?

And you think that caters only to Halo players?

xmiyux

You weren't aware that Halo is the only game anyone ever plays multiplayer? Were you also aware that by liking said game you are obviously a knuckle-dragging automaton that simply buys games because they are new and then abandons it to run to the next new release like someone spewed bile on it?

PixyJunket

Gamers, yes.

Xbox 360 gamers, no.

xmiyux

Soooo, PC gamers? Wii Gamers? PS3 gamers?

I guess I don't understand your comment here unless you are trying to trump up indie cred by saying true gamers eschew online gaming. I'm not going to assume that is what you are meaning though, because thought would be laughably obnoxious.

superfro

I think you're entirely out of touch. But then again I think you relish in being the contrarian so whatever.


PC gamers have always been about the local co-op right? I mean the TRUE PC gamers of course.

Liver&Onions

Agreed.

Right, because the million + gamers playing starcraft 2 at home are playing co-op from the same PC. Or, when they go to a lan party they are hanging out side by side high fiving each other when they quell a zergling rush. Or all those WoW gamers are sharing a hot fudge sundae while on a raid with their worldwide clans.

PixyJunket

You forget that people that play Wii Sports or Mario Kart are gamers.

If you think that, from EVERYBODY that play video games, from one end of the spectrum to the other, more people would rather play games over an internet connection with a faulty headset then in the same room together.. well, hey, you're welcome to think that. I hardily believe that people that prefer "online only" are limited to a specific core group, which is NOT a majority of the whole pool.

Yeah, that's it.

PixyJunket

Welcome to the ignore list.

superfro

Can I get added as well or is there like a wait list?


On topic if I may....has anybody checked out Castlevania:HD yet? Really wondering how they structure the demo and if it allows for online play. I can't see how it'll do all that well if it doesn't.

pinata242

And now for something completely similar to all this rampant, incessant bickering: Zero Punctuation Reviews Deathspank and Limbo

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Liver&Onions

I sure would like if this thread started leaning back towards how the old ones were. Friendly chatter about the XBLA games, community games and bitching about the shitty emulation of Game Room.

superfro

Well the tone of this thread was kind of set with the first post IMO.

But yeah...Game Room is crap.

PixyJunket

Again, those all fall under a specific core demographic.

I'm not sure about your comment on the LAN party, unless you're talking something as big as a QuakeCon, that's really not too far off from what people do in LAN parties. The local, human aspect adds that social interaction to it that online lacks.

WoW maybe pushes outside of that to a degree, more of an exception to the rule, I guess.

Liver&Onions

As do you Pixy, as do you.

PixyJunket

Same.

I guess wishing for local co-op in a game I was interested makes me out of touch and "looking for indie cred" though.

PixyJunket

I don't claim my specific demographic as a vast majority though.

pinata242

You thought so, huh? Well, you'll be pleased to know they've somehow truly indone (that's the opposite of outdone, right?) themselves with Game Pack 008. I guess they didn't want to compete with SoA

Arcade - NONE
2600 - 3D Tic-Tac-Toe, Beamrider, Centipede, Cosmic Commuter, Dodge 'Em, Dolphin, Dragster, Freeway, Maze Craze, Seaquest
INTV - Chip Shot Golf, Hockey, Super Pro Decathlon, Snafu, Thin Ice

superfro

Lol....3D Tic-Tac-Toe. I fucking loved that game.

orangecrush

You have some good points, and while I don't play on-line w/ others, I think it is a pretty big selling point for a lot of console gamers (and a must for any multiplayer PC game). Just look at how many people pay for Gold and how many PS3 gamers point to it as a huge selling point for the PS3. The Wii has a terrible implimentation of online gaming, so I will grant you that it isn't really a selling point for the Nintendo fans.

superfro

I'm pretty sure the discussion morphed from your personal want of one feature in one game to something a bit different by that point.

I am looking forward to hearing the fix for the Castlevania game on fitting how the game works into a local co-op experience. I would've loved for it to be included as well, I just don't think it would be doable with the way the game is presented. (But lord knows I'm not a game developer or designer.)

Michael Corvin

Pretty much the same here. With the proliferation of online games & co-op, getting together with friends has drifted back to the card/board game realm. Like miyu said, we already play games multiple times a week online so playing split screen when we all have giant tvs at home is silly. When we do get together to game, everyone brings a system and computer monitor anyway negating the need for splitscreen functionality(party games/Rock Band being the exception). With wives, jobs and kids, online just makes more sense as a feature, at least for me.

PixyJunket

See, I can swallow this:

Much better than this:

To be honest, I really want to have nothing more to say on it, but it would be interesting to see how the number of 360s sold compared to the number of Live subscriptions.

Er, a quick and dirty Google shows something from a year ago saying it's about 50% of Live accounts and another showing that two out of three 360s are even online. So, what, roughly a third of people that have Gold? That's not counting people that have it but may not use it often (like myself). So yeah, I guess it's definitely a majority. shrug.gif.