I probably wouldn't. Fable, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Crackdown, and Left 4 Dead 2 I think are all pretty fun exclusives.

Kinect is better than Move. If you have kids, Kinect is a good reason to pick up a 360. Plus the obvious, network stability.

Unless your idea of fun is always being told you're standing too far back or too close. Then it rocks.

If you have the space for it, Kinect is much better than Move. I've never had "too close/too far" problems with Kinect.

When implemented correctly, the Kinect works great for dance and exercise games. I don't think it works very well for anything else (so far, Child of Eden and The Gunstringer might change my mind about that). With the Move, I can play a quality FPS like Killzone 3 using a gun peripheral, play Heavy Rain with much more authentic movements, play light gun games with great accuracy, play strategy games like Ruse or Under Seige with gesture-based selections, and play core sports games like Tiger Woods or Top Spin 4 with varying degrees of success. To me, the Move wins hands down. But that's just my opinion as an owner of both systems and multiple games on both systems.

I'm not a fan of the console Killzone games (the PSP one is fun, though), I had finished Heavy Rain way before the Move came out, and I pretty much only buy PS3 exclusives for that system - otherwise I'll buy the 360 version. Therefore my Move experience is limited to Sports Champions (pretty fun), Start the Party (gimmicky but enjoyable for the AR elements), and Dead Space Extraction (awesome, but essentially still just a lightgun shooter). The Move is serviceable, but it's nothing more than a better version of the Wiimote.

Kinect has way more potential than the Move, and I see Microsoft supporting Kinect way longer than Sony will support the Move. Just my two cents.

I agree with the points that the Move is essentially just an improved, more accurate Wiimote and that the Kinect has more potential for innovation. But until I see different (perhaps next week at E3) I'll continue to consider it a novelty item squarely aimed at those too young or too unfamiliar with gaming to correctly use a controller. Dance Central and Your Share are the only games I see some six months after launch that I think really utilize the Kinect in a way that is preferable over a standard controller. Just my .02 .

Can and will are two totally different things. Outside of Tiger Woods why would anyone choose Move over a controller which is more precise? It's a novelty, just like the Wiimote. At least Kinect is different, but I agree, it's still unproven tech in the core games.

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I agree that having so many add on services is a real pain in the ass and I only have NetFlix and Hulu. If I wasn't going to drop Hulu here soon I would be a bit more vocal about my aggravation on this issue. Most of the shows I want to watch have either been dropped, Tosh.0, or they are Web Only offerings. I've just been watching American Dad and Family Guy so I'm not sure if it is really worth keeping long term.

Is there anyway to get rid of the beta channel now that it's over.

Not until you get the actual non-beta update which I still haven't yet.

Kinect Fun Labs (723mb) is up: http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-GB/Pr...811?cid=search

I got the dashboard update on my non-beta machine a couple of weeks ago, but my main box is still in full-on "beta" mode.

No idea why they didn't announce this at the presentation, but

360 is getting cloud support

Probably because it isn't Kinect-enabled?

My thoughts on the cloud. It already takes a few seconds just to sign in with my local, always-online profile. If I try to recover it, it can take hours. Literally, the last time I did, it was at least two hours long. I went to bed. It's also like 50mb.

If they are going to cloud-based profile storage, they need to be smart about it and work with deltas or keep no local copy at all.

With the newest dashboard update, it takes me about 15-20 minutes to recover. My tag's about the same size as yours, pinata.

With the last dashboard revision, it was well over an hour. With the one before that, it was around 20-30 minutes.

Yeah, I think it was before the beta, which I'm still in. Still, there's something terribly wrong about that since, for all intents, their online version is basically already "the cloud".

Gears of War limited edition Xbox 360 bundle on Sept. 20 for $399; controller for $59.99 on August 11

Epic and Microsoft are teaming up to offer not only a special console bundle pack, but also custom, individual controllers -- both of which will be accompanied by download tokens for in-game content.

For $399, you can snag the console bundle (which has special sound effects like the Halo: Reach console), which features a 320gb hard drive, two Gears of War 3-branded wireless controllers, a copy of the game, headset and two pieces of DLC: the Infected Omen Weapon pack, skins for the game's starting weapons (the Lancer, Retro Lancer, Gnasher, Hammerburst and Sawed-Off Shotgun) and the Adam Fenix multiplayer character. This bundle goes on sale September 20.

If you're looking for just a special controller, you can snag one of them for $59.99 starting on August 11 -- which has that new transforming d-pad and the aforementioned in-game content.

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I don't know much about this. But if they can offer stuff like Amazon Instant Video and Crunchyroll, then I'm all over it.

Alright, I skipped on the Halo console, but that one looks bad ass. Might have to pony up for that one and finally move or get rid of my old arcade unit.

So, aside from the brief mention during the presser, no details of Xbox Diamond TV yet?

Nobody has mentioned this yet, but MS also announced a new driving peripheral:

E3 2011: Microsoft Introduces Wireless Speed Wheel
New Xbox 360 racing wheel arriving this September.
Today Microsoft announced the Wireless Speed Wheel for Xbox 360, a new wireless racing game peripheral that will ship alongside Forza Motorsport 4 later this year.





The design includes the standard array of Xbox 360 controls, including triggers, ABXY, and a d-pad, as well as LED illumination on the handles for visual cues. Additionally, the wheel has haptic feedback with rumble and is compatible with all Xbox 360 racing titles.

The Wireless Speed Wheel will be available on September 26 for $59.99.

I got a used copy of LA Noire last night that came with a Naked City Code. I am not keeping the game and don't know if the code works, but here it is for anyone to try:

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