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mhg83 10-23-11 11:38 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by aktick (Post 10975024)
I'm assuming AA should be played before this? GOTY edition or not?

Do you own AA yet? if not Walmart is selling a pack where if you buy AC AA comes with it for free.

MoviePage 10-23-11 11:40 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
So from everything I'm reading, it almost sounds like it's better to leave the Catwoman stuff undownloaded and play the game as it is on the disc?

Online pass backfire!

Supermallet 10-23-11 01:13 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by Decker (Post 10975325)
Totally. It's absurd to expect you to upgrade Catwoman when you could spend those points on Batman's upgrades instead. Maybe they could have done something where when you upgrade Batman, it automatically upgrades Catwoman's armor or abilities as well.

FWIW, some of Batman's upgrades mention that they apply to all playable characters, so Catwoman and Robin should benefit.

OldBoy 10-23-11 01:46 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by MoviePage (Post 10975599)
So from everything I'm reading, it almost sounds like it's better to leave the Catwoman stuff undownloaded and play the game as it is on the disc?

Online pass backfire!

i didn't think you could play it without Catwoman pack dl'd.

Decker 10-23-11 01:49 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by scott1598 (Post 10975820)
i didn't think you could play it without Catwoman pack dl'd.

Sure you can. You just don't play as Catwoman. No huge loss there.

mzupeman2 10-23-11 02:05 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by mhg83 (Post 10975596)
Do you own AA yet? if not Walmart is selling a pack where if you buy AC AA comes with it for free.

This is where I bought it for that very reason! Although I already have AA, I can now give it to my little brother in law for Christmas! Score!

OldBoy 10-23-11 02:11 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by Decker (Post 10975825)
Sure you can. You just don't play as Catwoman. No huge loss there.

but aren't there some areas that only Catwoman can get to, specifically some Riddler trophies that only she can penetrate and get? do you just play the campaign areas with Batman still or does it just skip it or something?

bluetoast 10-23-11 02:20 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
AA for free with AC? Walmart I think this is the beginning of a beautiful one time business transaction.

Anubis2005X 10-23-11 05:58 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by scott1598 (Post 10975116)
I find myself using detective mode quite a bit. Feel like I am missing a beautiful game.

I only use it occasionally at short times a piece, similar to eagle vision in the Assassin's Creed games...

Mike86 10-23-11 07:02 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
Yeah I've used detective mode way less in this game too. The main times I use it are just to check how many enemies are in an area or if a section requires it. Big improvement in that aspect of the game if you ask me.

Boba Fett 10-23-11 07:05 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
Detective Mode is essential to getting high scores on the most extreme combat challenges. The easy distinction between unarmed foes, foes with armor, foes with guns, and other special characters removes a lot of frustration when you no longer break a combo by accidentally punching an armored guy.

DaveyJoe 10-23-11 07:08 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by Boba Fett (Post 10976339)
Detective Mode is essential to getting high scores on the most extreme combat challenges. The easy distinction between unarmed foes, foes with armor, foes with guns, and other special characters removes a lot of frustration when you no longer break a combo by accidentally punching an armored guy.

It's not essential, I've bolded the word easy because DM is a crutch for players who want a shortcut.

Deftones 10-23-11 07:16 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
a crutch for people who want a shortcut? really? like, i can figure out which walls are breakable to find hidden trophies? i want to know how you do that!

anomynous 10-23-11 08:28 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
Catwoman DLC is pretty pointless.


You play as her 20 mins tops in story mode.

Supermallet 10-23-11 09:24 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by DaveyJoe (Post 10976345)
It's not essential, I've bolded the word easy because DM is a crutch for players who want a shortcut.

It is a crutch, I agree. Also I think anyone who plays this game instead of becoming a vigilante who stalks the night is getting off easy.

Now gentlemen, if you'll excuse me, I have some criminals to apprehend.

foxdvd 10-23-11 09:56 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
ok...the challenge maps are really fun...especially the predator ones...

My biggest problem with this game though is the 440 joker riddles...I don't have a problem with them alone..my problem is they are tied into the fun riddle hostage missions. I really want to play all of them, but fuck if I don't want to find 440 riddles....overkill by a LOT...there is only so many things I can scan, buttons I can push, or switches I can land on before I want to pull what little hair I have left out...

Anubis2005X 10-23-11 10:54 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by foxdvd (Post 10976545)
ok...the challenge maps are really fun...especially the predator ones...

My biggest problem with this game though is the 440 joker riddles...I don't have a problem with them alone..my problem is they are tied into the fun riddle hostage missions. I really want to play all of them, but fuck if I don't want to find 440 riddles....overkill by a LOT...there is only so many things I can scan, buttons I can push, or switches I can land on before I want to pull what little hair I have left out...

Isn't is the 440 Riddler riddles? ;)

DthRdrX 10-23-11 11:22 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
Finished it yesterday. Really didn't have much time to play until Saturday.

A lot of thoughts on game, ending, hidden stuff, and then inevitable third game:

Spoiler:

1.) I loved the game, and unlike most here I felt the beginning as Bruce was a great surprise. I expected to begin as Batman but entering 'hell' with Bruce was a pretty smart move.

2.) I understand why people feel the way they do about this game at first. I was VERY overwhelmed with the size and scope of Arkham City. If I played it over now though I'm sure that feeling would be gone. I think this is one of those games that are better played numerous times to take everything in.

3.) I don't like how MANY of the battles pretty much forced us to eliminate stealth completely and fist fight a dozen or so guys. Specifically, when fighting numerous thugs with weapons.

4.) TONS of clues about the next game.

A. Killer Croc is still hunting Batman
B. Bane was left locked up by Batman. If you go back as Catwoman he'll try and convince her to let him out.
C. Scarecrow was conducting a fear experiment in the boat at the dock, which a letter in the boat proves was funded by C. Falcone.
D. Return to Joker's office and Harley's costume from the first game is hanging up, with a 'positive' pregnancy test laying beside it.
E. Alfred refused to help Bruce find Talia.
F. Azrael told Batman that Gotham is next, but Gotham and Batman would burn in the fire.

5.) Now, I hated the ending, probably because I called it on another forum last year in a thread about Ras being at the morgue in the first game. Hugo Strange was a puppet, which I don't like, and bringing him back and killing him off is highly questionable. Ra's and Talia die, but could easily return via the L. pits. Joker is the big question mark, with Hamill wanting to retire from the roll numerous times.

5.) Some of my favorite qoutes!

"and did it really end in a church!" - Joker
"Wait, did they ever explain what the island really was?" - random thug
"What will they think of calling it next? Big Ass Arkham World?" - thug at museum.
There was another one I can't fully remember from the two guys standing in front of the elevator at Joker's hideout, talking about sticking cake down his mom's throat.

6.) WTF was that with Robin? He shows up to help Batman against Talia's thugs and then gets ordered off. Batman told him "I know where to find you". Robin just kind of vanishes after this? And having no satellite batcave in the game doesn't seem like something Bruce would overlook!

foxdvd 10-23-11 11:49 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by Anubis2005X (Post 10976609)
Isn't is the 440 Riddler riddles? ;)

oops..lol

StatMan79 10-24-11 07:06 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by boredsilly (Post 10973178)
I really liked that boss battle:

Spoiler:
You have to think that he's following your heat signature, so wherever you go, he will go. There are a bunch of different ways you can hit him. You can lure him near those electrical things you can shoot with your pulse riffle thing, and those will hurt him. You can lure him near the exposed wires on the floor (you can see them in DM) and shock him there. And then after that, it's all about ninja moves. Get under the grates, and do a predator attack on him, or get to a high point and do a glide kick. Those are the type of moves that hurt him.

The gliding with Ra's gave me some issues too, but now that I'm used to it I'm a motherfucking gliding machine! I really liked that boss battle too. It was like I was fighting Freddy Krueger.

Ahhh yes....

Spoiler:
I finally had some patience and plotted things out accordingly for Freeze and took him out. Having to be so stealthy with him took me back to games like Metal Gear Solid. I had to dig deep for that fight and keep playing it out.

The Ra's fight was fun and reminded me of The Scarecrow stuff in AA. Learning how to glide right was a nice skill to learn on the fly. That fight was a mind-bender. I think I've hit the Y button for more of my fights than the X button. ha!

BBEANLPHIE 10-24-11 07:59 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
has one tried the 3d with the trioviz glasses that go for $30 on the official site?

foxdvd 10-24-11 08:06 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
285 riddles down....I just noticed though that you only need 400 of the 440 to finish the hostage missions. Catwoman's riddles count toward your 400...so you only need to grab (I can't believe I am saying ONLY here) 90% of the riddles....

At least you don't need a guide for these...

RocShemp 10-24-11 08:22 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by BBEANLPHIE (Post 10976804)
has one tried the 3d with the trioviz glasses that go for $30 on the official site?

I thought only AA uses Trioviz whereas AC uses FHD3D.

Decker 10-24-11 08:26 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by RocShemp (Post 10976824)
I thought only AA uses Trioviz whereas AC uses FHD3D.

AC offers both 3D choices. I played some in stereoscopic 3D last night. Don't think it made much difference to most of the game, but gliding around the city in 3D was very cool.

BBEANLPHIE 10-24-11 08:29 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
is it worth getting the $30 glasses from Trioviz if anyone has tried it?

http://trioviz.com/

boredsilly 10-24-11 08:54 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by DthRdrX (Post 10976638)
Finished it yesterday. Really didn't have much time to play until Saturday.

A lot of thoughts on game, ending, hidden stuff, and then inevitable third game:

Spoiler:

1.) I loved the game, and unlike most here I felt the beginning as Bruce was a great surprise. I expected to begin as Batman but entering 'hell' with Bruce was a pretty smart move.

2.) I understand why people feel the way they do about this game at first. I was VERY overwhelmed with the size and scope of Arkham City. If I played it over now though I'm sure that feeling would be gone. I think this is one of those games that are better played numerous times to take everything in.

3.) I don't like how MANY of the battles pretty much forced us to eliminate stealth completely and fist fight a dozen or so guys. Specifically, when fighting numerous thugs with weapons.

4.) TONS of clues about the next game.

A. Killer Croc is still hunting Batman
B. Bane was left locked up by Batman. If you go back as Catwoman he'll try and convince her to let him out.
C. Scarecrow was conducting a fear experiment in the boat at the dock, which a letter in the boat proves was funded by C. Falcone.
D. Return to Joker's office and Harley's costume from the first game is hanging up, with a 'positive' pregnancy test laying beside it.
E. Alfred refused to help Bruce find Talia.
F. Azrael told Batman that Gotham is next, but Gotham and Batman would burn in the fire.

5.) Now, I hated the ending, probably because I called it on another forum last year in a thread about Ras being at the morgue in the first game. Hugo Strange was a puppet, which I don't like, and bringing him back and killing him off is highly questionable. Ra's and Talia die, but could easily return via the L. pits. Joker is the big question mark, with Hamill wanting to retire from the roll numerous times.

5.) Some of my favorite qoutes!

"and did it really end in a church!" - Joker
"Wait, did they ever explain what the island really was?" - random thug
"What will they think of calling it next? Big Ass Arkham World?" - thug at museum.
There was another one I can't fully remember from the two guys standing in front of the elevator at Joker's hideout, talking about sticking cake down his mom's throat.

6.) WTF was that with Robin? He shows up to help Batman against Talia's thugs and then gets ordered off. Batman told him "I know where to find you". Robin just kind of vanishes after this? And having no satellite batcave in the game doesn't seem like something Bruce would overlook!

Those clues are AWESOME (especially D)! I missed a lot of that stuff. Good finds.

One thing about this game that drives me CRAZY? Ok, nerd mode activate -- Batman would never allow his team to use their real names on the radio, yet Oracle refers to Batman as Bruce, and Bruce calls her Barbara repeatedly. Batman don't get down like that. Nerd mode.....power down. -wink-

foxdvd 10-24-11 09:09 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by boredsilly (Post 10976859)
Those clues are AWESOME (especially D)! I missed a lot of that stuff. Good finds.

One thing about this game that drives me CRAZY? Ok, nerd mode activate -- Batman would never allow his team to use their real names on the radio, yet Oracle refers to Batman as Bruce, and Bruce calls her Barbara repeatedly. Batman don't get down like that. Nerd mode.....power down. -wink-

I always get frustrated when the "worlds greatest detective" does things like this, or is outsmarted all the time by everyone around him with obvious traps, and tricks...only to use muscle to get out of it...

boredsilly 10-24-11 09:58 AM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
Am I the only one here who ran into a total brick well when you had to (just a spoiler involving the use of a batarang)

Spoiler:
throw your remote batarang through electricity before having it hit the switch in the sewer section where you where making ice rafts? For some reason I totally missed the game clueing me on to the electricity coming from the cable, and must have thrown 30 batarangs before I realized my mistake. And felt like a proper idiot after.

Supermallet 10-24-11 12:23 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
I did the exact same thing. Had to pull up a walkthrough to figure out what I was supposed to do.

deadlax 10-24-11 12:36 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
is there ever a use for the techniques they want you to learn in advanced augmented reality training. seems like one of the most pointless parts of a game that seems big for big's sake. wish the side missions had a few more ties into the story, instead of just introducing random villains.

feels like infamous in the batman world. although infamous had much better controls.

superfro 10-24-11 12:51 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
Finished the story proper last night. In the end I think it's all over the place when compared to it's predecessor. Still really well done, a bunch of fun, and some really neat aspects, but nowhere near as cohesive or enjoyable as a whole experience then Arkham Asylum for me. (And the Catwoman forced integration sections were pretty terrible IMO.)

Raul3 10-24-11 01:29 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by Supermallet (Post 10977160)
I did the exact same thing. Had to pull up a walkthrough to figure out what I was supposed to do.

Any link for a walkthrough?

I usually want to know how far in the game I'm in. But yesterday I got stuck really early in the game, trying to find Mr. Freeze, basically I didn't remember a move I was suppose to do in those situations. I'm playing FIFA, Gears and B:AC at the same time, so I forget some moves some times.

Already Google it but couldn't find anything useful.

Anubis2005X 10-24-11 01:40 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
The Augmented Reality Trainings... I don't know what it is but I'm horrible at these!

Raul3 10-24-11 01:58 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by Anubis2005X (Post 10977304)
The Augmented Reality Trainings... I don't know what it is but I'm horrible at these!

I tried one and failed. I think I need more XP or something.

kgrogers1979 10-24-11 02:59 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by boredsilly (Post 10976859)
One thing about this game that drives me CRAZY? Ok, nerd mode activate -- Batman would never allow his team to use their real names on the radio, yet Oracle refers to Batman as Bruce, and Bruce calls her Barbara repeatedly. Batman don't get down like that. Nerd mode.....power down. -wink-


That always bothered me in the original game too, especially with how Riddler was listening in. In the comics though, Riddler does know Batman is Bruce
Wayne, so I guess it wasn't a huge deal, but if Riddler was listening in who knows who else might have been as well.

Also how about the beginning of AC when Bruce is kicking all kinds of ass while handcuffed. Okay we have a rich spoiled playboy and he is suddenly kicking all kinds of ass in Arkham City moments before Batman appears, and nobody is suspicious?

Mikael79 10-24-11 03:04 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by Raul3 (Post 10977275)
I usually want to know how far in the game I'm in.

I'm the same way. I'm quite a few hours into the game, and I believe it shows my progress at about 30%, but I have to think that's 30% of all of the unlockables/items/etc.

I just beat Mr. Freeze and am on my way to The Joker to save Mr. Freeze's wife, but I have no idea how far along I am in the storymode.

Overall, I love the game. The only downside is that the game is so huge that I easily get lost when I'm trying to get from Point A to Point B.

OldBoy 10-24-11 04:30 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
for those that finished, what is the % complete of story mode or everything that can be done and found prior to doing challenge maps?

Anubis2005X 10-24-11 04:51 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 
Is there any way for the game to show you how many hours you put into it? I looked at the stats and save file, but haven't seen anything like that yet.

DthRdrX 10-24-11 08:19 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by scott1598 (Post 10977567)
for those that finished, what is the % complete of story mode or everything that can be done and found prior to doing challenge maps?

I completed the game somewhere in the 40-45% range. I missed a lot of sub missions though, including most of the Riddler stuff.

DthRdrX 10-24-11 08:30 PM

Re: Batman: Arkham City Thread
 

Originally Posted by boredsilly (Post 10976932)
Am I the only one here who ran into a total brick well when you had to (just a spoiler involving the use of a batarang)

Spoiler:
throw your remote batarang through electricity before having it hit the switch in the sewer section where you where making ice rafts? For some reason I totally missed the game clueing me on to the electricity coming from the cable, and must have thrown 30 batarangs before I realized my mistake. And felt like a proper idiot after.


You have to walk around on the ledge for a few seconds before Batman actually mentions that they batarangs can hold an electric charge. Same annoying 'walk around and wait' while trying to identify firing positions for Deadshot.

Also on the ending: Tonight I noticed ...
Spoiler:

Ra's is gone from the fence if you re-explore the area after the credits, similar to how he vanished if you rechecked the morgue in AA. My guess is Talia was removed also, probably by the LOShadows, hence why Batman carried Joker out of Arkham City and not a dead Talia.

Watch the last Batman/Joker scene carefully. Batman clearly blacks out and wakes up with the cure in his hand. I'd bet anything Rocksteady shot it that way so they could bring Joker back if they want, ala Clayface. Keep in mind Paul Dini had Clayface play dead in The Animated Series.

* It should also be noted that Arkham City has a major plot hole. In AA Batman could use detective vision and scan Clayface. He showed up with no bones. How would that of all things get past Batman and have him confuse Clayface for the Joker in Arkham City?


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