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I wish I had one of the new 3D capable tvs, so I just tried it out using the Blue/Yellow classes from Monsters vs Alens Super Bowl special and there were some good depth mainly with the leaves blowing and some of the grass in the foreground.

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Your second paragraph is exactly my point. IMO Shadow Complex should've been a $25-$30 game. I know it's crazy talk to suggest such a thing, but I think coupled with the recent concern over increasing pricing in downloadable games, that it's actually setting a really tough benchmark for the rest of the field. In actuality, as pinata mentioned above, Shadow Complex should be looked at as a really good deal. Unfortunately what I worry will happen is you'll now have $15 games come out and people will say "How is that the same price as SC?!"

Now should anyone at Chair Entertainment or anyone involved with Shadow Complex be worried about the above? Probably not at all. If they made a game like they did, are able to sell it for $15 and turn a profit, then good for them. It's certainly a call to arms for the other downloadable game makers out there as to what is possible at what price points. (As L&O has mentioned in multiple places here as well.) But even on that point I wonder....would MS/Epic take a loss up front to make money on volume and/or positive press? That's a whole other can of worms that I don't even want to think about. :lol:

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I'm not sure i've said this yet, but shadow complex is a bar raising game.

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:lol: You might be on to something there.

If people expect all XBLA games priced at 1200 points to be anywhere as good as Shadow Complex or Battlefield 1943, then they're foolish or insane. It's a little denigrating to even call Shadow Complex an XBLA game - like calling The Sopranos a TV Drama, it's an accurate description that doesn't do the subject justice.

But having said that, I've always felt there should be something special about a 1200 point game. I thought that for that premium price point there should really be a unique selling point or extraordinary content to justify it. Death Tank an R-Type seemed to be priced capriciously and if they didn't sell well, it moved the median price down a little bit since. We saw both Madballs and TMNT Reshelled get repriced, and rightly so. So if Shadow Complex achieves more representative pricing as a result, I'm all for it. (But I still think they left a lot of money on the table; if any game could justify a 1600 point price tag, that's it).

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I didn't get to spend much time with Shadow Complex yet, maybe only an hour of casual play and getting used to the mechanics, but I don't see it being considerably more worthy of the 1200 point pricing then most of the others out there like Castle Crashers or Braid. It's probably different for you hardcore Metroid/Castlevania guys, but I dunno... maybe it's just me :shrug:

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And that may be becoming the most interesting point the more I think of all this. How did they make the game and decide on $15. The conspiracy theorist in me wants to have a field day with the topic, but it would all be speculation since I don't have anything concrete to back any of it up. The Epic/MS involvement just makes me suspicious.

I've been working with Chair in regards to an interview for a few weeks now. Hopefully it'll happen cause I'd love to ask how they were able to do the game like they did and put it out there for $15.

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Castle Crashers is a fun, high quality game, but it's pretty repetitive and still feels like a downloadable game (albeit an excellent one), Braid is beautiful and very clever, but it is pretty short with absolutely no re-playability. It's a special game and certainly worth the $15 price. Still, neither game has the quality of design, graphics and gameplay of Shadow Complex, which has highly detailed and realistic HD graphics, full cut scenes and quality voice acting. It has nearly endless re-playability and absolutely feels like it could be a $60 retail game -- honestly the difference between it and Uncharted (a short but full priced game I absolutely loved) are minimal, IMO. Nothing else in the Arcade feels even remotely that way to me.

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But again, depends if you're really into the Metroid type of game play that determines the re-playability of the game, isn't it? Not everyone is hunting for 100% completion and all the achievements like the completionists online.

These are just my first impressions since I haven't gotten far enough into the game, but so far Shadow Complex feels as much a downloadable game as the other high quality games out there to me. Great at $15, or even $20, but I know I wouldn't pay $60 for the release.

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There's no way Shadow Complex is a $30 game. $20 tops. I think everyone's just riding that hype train right now since it's new.

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I've played through it 3 (well, 2.5) times already. The price is right, $20 would have been fine too.

It is short, even going for 100%. Once you hit level 20 and the whole map is available to you with items from the beginning, there's no reason not to get 100%. Except for those 2 or 3 items that are hidden by other map deficiencies :mad:

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Serious Sam HD Trailer is full of :wtf: :lol:

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Too bad the game's not as entertaining as that ad.

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You sir, are crazy. Serious Sam is a blast. I will admit that it is overly long and gets monotonous about halfway through, but breaking up your play time alleviates that problem.

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Deals of the month for September:
http://www.gamerbytes.com/2009/08/de...vealed_for.php

Week 1 - Penny Arcade 2 - 800 pts
Week 2 - Puzzle Quest: Challenge of the Warlords - 400 pts
Week 3 - Lode Runner - 800 pts
Week 4 - Pinball FX - 400 pts

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Sweet, Lode Runner. :up: I missed out on the ebay seller who had them cheap.

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I may end up getting all of those, but Puzzle Quest that I already have. If it were Galactrix, I'd bite.

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Sweet, I'll grab Lode Runner.

I'd like a Deal of the Week on Flock next.

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Nice to see an all XBLA deal. Too bad I already own 3/4 of them and have no interest in PA.

Pixy, you missed it, but Amazon sold the XBLA version of Flock! for $10 when it came out and PSN sold it for $7.49 during their last sale. Personally, I'm not a fan of that game -- it seems like it should be fun, but at least for me, it isn't. I haven't played it in a long time.

EVERYONE should get Pinball FX for that price; it's a lot of fun. The two licensed
DLC tables available for it are great as well. Lode Runner is cool, looks great and is loaded with content and game modes, but it's challenging.

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I'll definitely be in for Lode Runner and maybe Pinball.

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I'm down with pinball - if it's as even half as good as Zen, I'll be happy for that price.

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For what I'm willing to pay for games, I absolutely agree, but when I see some of the stuff that comes out at $60, SC seems like it would be fairly priced at $30. That would be the price of a DS or PSP game after all -- just without the resale value.

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Well of course that's going to be subjective, but yeah...I would've paid $30 for Shadow Complex and still felt like I got a deal. No problem.

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I agree with you but I'm not sure the demo and the hype would of sold me on $30 we may say that now but that is because we have played it through and know what we were getting no matter how great it is if you price it too high it won't get purchased.

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Yeah, what happened to those sellers? There were at least two of them who sold XBLA games cheap but they all disappeared.

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I guess they're laying low, waiting for the heat to die down. Either that, or there are no more trucks driving around their neighborhood with the back doors open, dropping codes everywhere. ;)