You're welcome.

My complete exposure to Qore comes from the free December issue (free to all via the Playstation Store), and I didn't like it and vowed never to purchase any issues. The content simply wasn't there.

Annoyances:

1. http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3-...7137975&sr=8-2 What buttons do you need that only the Sony remote has? I have the above remote and love it. It's simple and you can use it to program a universal remote. I also have the Sony remote and it is a convoluted mess of buttons that 90% aren't needed. Other than missing the "PS" button to power on and off, there is nothing "missing" that I could find. And you can power the PS3 off thru the remote by scrolling thru the menu to turn you PS3 off if you want to go that route. Granted you can't turn it on remotely but you are likely going to have to get up to put a disc in anyway.

2. Why would you want to go with more than one audio output at once?

3. I fucking despise the Sony PS controller. It causes severe hand cramping and is even worse than the Wii controller. When are they going to design a controller for adults and not children and females? The controller is one of the main reasons I will never buy a multi-console release on the PS3.

4. Completely agree. The lack of demos suck. The 360 has a demo for every game that releases to their Arcade. Why doesn't the PS3 do this? Strange.

5. If you have Netflix, then it is a cool bonus on the 360. But I doubt I would buy Netflix just for this purpose due to the content available...at least right now.

Other annoyances include the horrible download times on the PS3. Why does it take and hour or more to download something on the PSN when it takes 5 minutes for the same content on Live?

The PSN might be free but from what I have heard, many multi-console games can become ghost towns before the Live counterparts.

I also am not a fan of the way they have their marketplace set up. But at the same time, I am not a fan of the new 360 set-up either. They fucked with theirs and made it worse in my opinion.

The PSN also doesn't make it every easy to send and receive messages from friends, see what friends are doing while in a game, chat with friends, etc. Live definitely has massive superiority when comparing the ease of use between the two services. As far as I can see, you can't see what your friends are doing without stopping your video and going to the main menu which sucks as well.

Advantages:

1. BD - it's fine but there are just as good standalones out there now though at least with the PS3 you know your BD will always play in it. Fuck you LG.

2. The upconvert is fine but it looks no better than the 360. I have definitely seen better upconverting than what both of these consoles offer.

3. PSN is free. Well, see above. You get what you pay for and the PSN is quite inferior to the $30 I pay for 13 months on Xbox Live. I personally think their lack of charging is a disadvantage.

4. You get the same stuff on Live for free as well. And how they can actually charge for Qore is beyond me. You get the same kind of videos for free on Live (which are the same self-serving promotional type videos that are usually a waste of time. Theme are a joke on the PS3 since it is basically one sheet of wallpaper. The free ones usually never change but they do have some premium ones that they charge for. In being fair, Live has ruined themes with their new updates and have made them completely useless.

5. I don't buy a game system to use as a PC.

6. Don't know much about the game installs. It doesn't seem to make a difference between the two systems from all the reviews I have read.

7. Bluetooth is a disadvantage if you don't already have a BT headset. Why the hell they left off an included headset and then brag about the PSN being free & wireless connection being included is beyond me. Every PS3 should come with a headset period. Cheap or not. I got a cheap one with the Warhawk game and it appears to work fine.

Other advantages include some highly touted first party exclusives. Many don't do much for me but the quality and reviews of most of their exclusives are usually outstanding. I really like how the PS3 remembers where you left on a dvd, even if you took it out and played a different one inbetween. I don't know how many it can remember but it is a really nice feature.

I have all the systems and there is really only two reasons to get a PS3 in my opinion. If you like their exclusives and/or if you want BD. Everything else just points to either buying a 360 or just sticking with your 360 if you already have one.

I got a PS3 not too long ago and returned it soon after. Here's my post on the official PS3 thread:

Thanks for all the great input. As of right now, I'm going to pass on the PS3 at least until I get an HDTV and start using Blu Ray. I think my 360 more than satisfies my gaming needs right now. However, for shits and giggles I may end up getting a PS2 to play The Show and maybe a few cheaper games like 24: The Game, which the bastards at Sony have an exclusive for. Plus it's over 3 years old now, so I can probably get it really cheap.

I noticed that Gamestop sells a used PS2 for $80. Would any recommend getting a used console? Or am I better off spending the extra $40 to get a new one?

I'm on Verizon Fios and the PSN is more than adequate for being free. Play Rock Band, LBP and Burnout quite a bit with no major issues. Downloads only go slow on Thursday nights, the big update day. Get the PS3 this week at Best Buy $399 and comes with The Show.

I think the only real motivation to get a PS3 if you have a 360 is exclusives. In terms of raw numbers, the PS3 has about as many as the 360, but there only a few "big" titles. The Uncharted games, Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBigPlanet, and God of War III are the main ones.

I don't own a 360 but I'm slowly accumulating some of the exclusives as they drop in price for when I finally buy one. You could always do the same for the PS3 until you decide to get one.

Hmmm...PS2 ($130) + The Show ($50) = $180

You know you're gonna get an HDTV at some point, and then you know you're gonna want HD movies.

If money isn't an issue and it's just a matter of principle, I think I'd jump on that deal.

Also - was at Target today and the 160GB bundle is $499 (or $449 if you sign up for Target's Red Card) and it comes with a $50 PSN card. I know those aren't the same as saving $100, but it's not a bad deal. Pay off the Target card and never use it again and I'm SURE you can spend $50 on the PSN without much problem.

I'm with you. I mean I don't want to go spending someone elses money but if you have to shell out for a PS2 I agree that you might as well spend the extra for a PS3 if you can afford to.
The Show is only $30 for PS2 though, not $50.

There's also a deal where if you open a Sony Credit card and then purchase a PS3 they give you a $200 credit. Do that at Best Buy with the free copy of The Show and then you'd only be out a few bucks more than going the PS2 route.

I have all three systems. Some days I really regret my Wii, some days I sort of regret the 360, but I have never regretted the PS3. But that's just me.

I bought a PS3 solely for use as a Blu-Ray player and that's pretty much all I've used it for. I downloaded some games for it while my 360 was in the shop with a bad drive and I couldn't get over how slow the downloads were, how frequently they required you to immediately download updates right after downloading a game (couldn't they just post the updated version?), and then how slowly the games were installed after taking forever to download in the first place. Add the hand-cramping controller to the mix and, well, I avoid gaming on that sucker as much as possible.

I received MLB '08 The Show as a gift last year and never once have I even put the disc in the PS3 that's how much I hate gaming on it.

Here's my rundown for gaming usage by console: 360>PS2>Sega Genesis>Wii (I hate this one too but my kids play it now and then)>PS3

Aw gimme a fucking break. Opinions are like... you know the rest.

So, I went to Best Buy this evening and picked up a PS2 and The Show 09. So, I ended up spending roughly $160 + tax for both. I also picked up the 8MB Memory for an additional $26, which is one of the main reasons why I hated the PS1 because you had to keep loading up on those damn things and it got pricey. I think for my gaming purposes and the fact that I still love my 360, 1 card is enough. I just couldn't pull the trigger on the PS3 even though today's deal at Best Buy was attractive. $400 is still way too much and the games are just as expensive as the 360. I'm going to wait until I actually get an HDTV and some Blu Ray movies 1st or when there is a significant price drop.

I can't believe how small a PS2 is BTW!!! When did it shrink this small? It's literally the size of a DVD case. And actually space wise it works perfectly for the setup I have. I'm thinking about picking up a few used cheapie games from Gamestop or Play and Trade to fill my PS2 needs.

BTW, I popped in The Show tonight and it's pretty damn good for a PS2 game. I did have to log into the PS2 network to download the newest rosters to my Memory card. Manny is not on the Dodgers when you open the game. He's a free agent.

So I'm going to wait and see what happens with the PS3 price-wise for the future and when it comes time for me to get an HDTV. Then I will be able to fully appreciate the experience of having it.

What's the problem? Those are typical complaints and not out of line.

Download speed depends on each and everyone internet connection. I have a decent connection and all PSN downloads are a breeze.

He says he "downloaded some games for it" so I assume he meant PSN games. Unless he downloaded Warhawk or Burnout Paradise, virtually ALL PSN games are between 50 to 150 MBs, with just a few being a bit more.
I download PSN games virtually each week, and it takes just a few minutes to download and a few seconds to install, so I don't know how these could be considered "typical complaints"
Not mentioning that "frequently they required you to immediately download updates right after downloading a game " is complete bullshit. I have over 20 PSN games on my hard drive and the only time I remember downloading an update for any of them was a trophy patch for pixel junk monsters that took a whooping 3 minutes to download and install.

As for the controller, yeah, I guess that an award winning design that has remained virtually unchanged for 12 years is utter crap. If you have acromegaly hands, well yeah, I can see your point on being "cramped". I'm 6'5'', 220 and play a few hours each day and I've never feelt it cramped.

As far as I know, he lost all credibily when he said that Wii>PS3

+1

HATE the PS3 controller. I've sold off all my PS3 multi-console games and bought the 360 versions. I'll put up with the controller for a few exclusives like Ratchet & Clank, Killzone 2, Little Big Planet and Uncharted. But when I have a choice, I'll always pick the 360 version for the better controller.

Where have you been the past two years I.Flores? Fumanstan is right, these are common complaints and pretty typical. You situation sounds like the exception, not the norm. My PS3 is about 12ft from the router(10.0 down, but currently I'm wireless) and it takes a dog's age to d/l and install even the tiniest game. Of course, since they added the auto shut off feature it doesn't bother me much anymore. I queue something up to d/l and go do something else.

Mugwump is also right about d/l a game then having to sit through an install then an update/install. Pain was a fucking nightmare the week it was on sale. I sat through the d/l & install only to be greeted with a mandatory update that took even longer to d/l. I think it took longer to install on my machine then the actual amount of time I spent playing it that night. It may not be frequent, but it does happen. You said you download games pretty much every week, therefore you aren't going to have that situation where a game has been out a month or two before you buy it and an update has already been added.

The controller argument is tired... as tired as the DualShock design. Zing! But seriously, what worked a decade ago doesn't necessarily work by today's standards. When you have the competition putting out more ergonomic stuff in that time(Wavebird, 360 pad), there's no excuse for Sony not to evolve with the times. It's just lazy.

Why, because someone has a different opinion than your own? If you read it again, he doesn't say it's better. He said the Wii gets more use as a gaming machine than the PS3, which is very different.

Corvin pretty much covered everything but I don't understand your gripe. Download speeds are a funny thing because i've heard the complaint enough from different people, wired or wireless, regardless of their internet connection. While you might not have trouble, it isn't hard to recognize that it is a problem for a lot of people. Who knows why it's so flaky. When I had a place with my roomate, his PS3 was dog slow downloading movie trailers and game demos while the 360 was pretty speedy.

And the controller complaint has been around for awhile, especially after the 360's was released. To each his own, don't see why you think his opinions are baseless.

hyperbole is stupid.

The PS2 slim-line design is awesome. I love mine. I wish I could get a slim-line 360 and PS3 (hopefully sometime in the future).

I don't foresee a slim 360 in the future. It took MS three years to finally put the nail in the coffin of the RROD. Redesigning the system would be like playing with fire. I don't think MS wants to get burned again.

Wow I didn't realize my opinions held such sway over the twistedness of I.Flores' knickers. Since the OP is done and happy with his new PS2 (as he should rightly be) there's no point in going any further in this thread.

Agreed!