The last mission honestly sucks. It is simply failable in far too many ways.

The pigeons do make a sound and they have a faint red glow around them. They don't move and are scattered everywhere. You can go to an internet café and type www.whattheydonotwantyoutoknow.com to see a map. A friend of mine also printed some sort of google map of their locations. He's up to 92 pigeon kills; personally I think I killed 7 of them because I'm not really looking for them.

And rumor has it that when you kill the 200 pigeons

This makes getting all the flags and killing all the templars in Assassin's Creed look like small beans :)

or you can go here: http://grandtheftauto.ign.com/maps/1/Liberty-City-Map

On the right hand side of the screen scroll down to the bottom and click the + next to NPC and you will see a sub catagory called pigeons, check mark the box next to it and it will show on the map where they all are. click on each individual pigeon on the map and it will give you a detailed description of where that pigeon is. Good luck!!!!!!1

I'll avoid any spoilerage but after about ten tries with the motorbike I had to switch to the other ending and go the boat route. That one I completed on my first attempt. At that point I was so ready to be done that I no longer cared which storyline I decided on.

I agree with this - I've already tried it a handfull of times and it is pissing me off beyond belief - i get on the bike, almost get there, then go flying off the bike for no apparent reason???? It's so fucking lame.

I will be giving my final thoughts after I finally beat it.

I failed the last mission every possible way you could fail it.

The bike part was the part I failed a few times, but the rest of the final mission is easy. This was by far the easiest GTA I have played.

Check this out...

I was starting my first race (with Stevie's car). I saw a jump ramp that I never saw before, so I decided to do that first. After the jump, the route that I took brought me took the race from the front, not the back. When I approached the first car, I was going to go through them to my spot. Right when I got to the first car, the clock went "..1, GO!!". I was facing the wrong way, and I got my ass kicked.

The second time I tried it, I drove around to the front of the cars again, then carefully backed up until I bumped the first car. Just then, "..1, GO!!!". I had Pole Position, and won the race.

I dunno know if this works for all races, but starting first is a huge help. Also, my apologies if this has already been discussed.

Well, I can finally jump to the chopper but now fail every time I'm in the chopper any tips? how long does the chopper part last?

I love a good challenge but when I'm put at a disavantage because of shitty controls and bad gameplay.....I have a huge problem with that.

All I did was get behind him and lay on the minigun. You will eventually get to the island for the finale. I had no trouble with this part. The dirtbike sucked though.

You don't even have to use the minigun. Just survive.

Thanks - I'll give it another shot tomorrow.

.. and racist and sexist and stereotypes blacks, jamaicans, italians and every other group... basically yes it is, but it makes fun of everyone... and that is what makes it great

I can't believe in this whole game there's only four clothing shops. I think Mario in SMB3 had more outfits.

And two of them are exactly the same.

I think this gives us a strong hint as to what we'll see as the "exclusive" DLC on the 360.

I'm kinda glad. Especially when it's retarded that the screen has to refresh everytime you view a different set of clothes for Niko. Changing clothes is brutally slow.

Yup, I pretty much stick with the same clothes the entire time. However do people remember how awful it was for San Andreas? Now that was frustrating to change.

I would assume fingerless gloves are a given.

Fingerless gloves for DLC or an updated San Andreas? I'll take the fingerless gloves!

I wear the Jeans, Brown Hinterland jacket, & dark brown hinterland boots - pretty much how I dress in real life anyway ;)

I finally got to the last mission last night and got shot down on the helicopter. I didn't feel like giving it another shot yet, but I didn't really have any problems up until that point. Dirt bike was fine, as was everything before it.

We'll see how many more tries it takes to do it again, but I can probably honestly say I haven't failed a mission because of the controls the entire game, let alone to the point of frustration.

If anything, I'm actually less then impressed with the story. It's been awfully anti-climactic during the last leg of the game. I think i've enjoyed Vice City's story more. Towards the end I couldn't figure out who I was working for and who was against who between all the families, the Russians, and Darko.

Gray charcoal suit and glasses.

WHAT THE FUCK!!!! I CAN'T DO IT!!! I have honestly never had this hard of time beating a game before - I always make it to the chopper than get about half way through flying when all of a sudden they start launching fucking rockets and I always get hit - someone said you don't even need to fire the mini-gun well then how the hell do you avoid the goddamn rockets!!!

Someone help me here I'm fucking dying!!! Literally!!!

I too kept dying by rockets until I just flew so irradically that he couldn't hit me. You don't have to stay that close to him just enough to not fail. Use the RB and LB to swing the chopper around a little.

Question about the final choice. I guess I'll spoiler just to be safe.

Also I just wish this game had fucking checkpoints. One little thing can cost you a whole mission. Hey I can't see up the stairs, but they can see down and they tear me up with buckshot, and I'm dead. Now usually they hit my once and I get them back, but it annoys me that I waste life because I can't see up the stairs completely.

Also is the sniper rifle completely worthless in this game? With the auto-aim and moving your stick upwards for a headshot I pretty much stick with the AK or Uzi for the missions. It doesn't even seem to matter how far you are. It's the rare instance where I can hit with the sniper, but not another weapon. Also the sniper is pretty worthless for killing everyone without alerting people since as soon as you kill one person everyone seems notified.

Is there one hit sneak kills with the knife? I tried to do the blow up the vans mission by sneaking and killing all the rooftop guys, but everyone always gets alerted. I walked up behind the guy at the highest point, but there was no knife kill icon that I can remember.

Didn't see the other threads earlier, it doesn't matter if you kill Dwayne's girlfriend or not. At least I don't think so.

My final thoughts...
 

Ok, I finally beat the game a couple of hours ago.

First:



I'd figure I'd post the above spoiler since the game really tries to cheap you at the point.

So, my final thoughts.....I think it does deserve all the praise it's been getting and I would give it a 10. The one area that needs the most improvement is obviously the controls (and I'm not talking about the driving...I loved the driving). There is no doubt that this is the game that frustrated me the most out of any game I've ever played but I still give it a perfect score because of the effort that went into it and I honestly do think it's an amazing game.

I won't be going around trying to shoot 200 pigeons or doing deliveries, nope, I'm just going to have fun in Liberty City and maybe even enjoy some online play (although the controls are even worse in mulitplayer).

Great game even though the final moments really took me back and pissed me off to no end (I'm still alittle pissed about it).

I finished this tonight at about 70%. I wish I knew about the 30 hour achievement, else I would have sped it up a bit since I finished the game at like 30 hours and 20 minutes. Damn it.

I'd rank the game about a 9. I can't give it a 10 because honestly, I've had more fun with other games. This wasn't bad, I just couldn't get into the story like I mentioned above, and there were enough annoyances that prevented me from enjoying this as much as I could have. And oddly enough, the controls aren't one of them. I thought they were fine the entire game. I think i'd like to see a GTA game that didn't feel so linear, and move beyond the "Do missions for these 2 or 3 guys and the move on" type of deal.

I'm still frustrated how much they force you to complete missions certain ways. I have a rocket launcher. Let me shoot that boat. I have a sniper rifle. Let me kill that guy from 300 yards away rather than engage in a pointless bike chase.

I must be the only person who actually thinks finding the pigeons is kind of fun. It appeals to both my explorer side and my collector side. Plus I can just cause random chaos while I'm doing so, which is my favorite part of the game. I giggle everytime I trip someone up and they stumble down a flight of stairs. I try to see how much I can taunt pedestrians without actually doing anything 'star-worthy' (aka punching, shoving, weapons, etc.)

I didn't even know about the 30 hour achievement until I beat the game at 29 hours and some change. I guess it pays to hurry your ass up! ;)

Only at 62% complete, don't know if i'm gonna go back and clean up some loose ends yet.

Yeah, though there was one mission somewhat earlier on the second island where the Police Chief asks you to kills some guy who is surrounded by a buttload of goons. If you rush head long in, the guy of interest books it upstairs and gives you one of the games annoying choices.

There is an alternate way as I found. There happens to be a crane across the street, and I happened to have a sniper rifle.

Much easier.

I did that as well. He then gets mad and says he wanted the whole complex cleared out, not just the one guy.

Also the story, I was really let down by it. Meet this random person...kill people for them....Meet this random person....kill people for them...and over and over and over again. Most of the characters never stuck around (what the hell was up with Manny? They could have left the idiot out of the game completely).

I was just expecting so much more but never got it. You're just dropped in the middle of everyone elses business and say "I'll take care of it" - kinda lame.

I'm not sure if you've played the other games but they are all pretty much this way. Being that I have played them I didn't expect it to be any different in this game thus I wasn't bothered by it.

Yeah, pretty much every GTA game goes to the B and C story arcs about a quarter into the game, usually revisiting the A story from time to time and ending with it. I did kind of hope the side stories would be better tied into the overall story this time, but at the same time as long as the missions are fun and not annoying like David Cross's missions in San Andreas, I'm cool with it.

Like past GTA games, can you continue after you beat the main misssions?

Yes, Rock, you can, I just went back and did all the stunt jumps after completing the main missions.

The one thing I wish they would implement in this series is the ability to go back and replay missions after you beat the game.