XBox 360 65nm? When?
07-04-07 | 01:03 AM
#27
Originally Posted by mbs
I could be wrong about thinking a CPU die shrink won't help. I just know that in my case, I got the RROD from a "general hardware failure" and never saw the overheating error. It just doesn't sound like (to me, at least) that most of the 360 failures are heat related.
07-06-07 | 01:16 PM
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I have four immediate friends that own 360s, so I can understand the urging of forum members to jump aboard the 360 wagon. The system is hella fun and is by far the best next-gen system available from a games standpoint.
However, two of those 360s have gone triple-red in the past year. I realize some might say that this is anectodal evidence (and it is), but there aren't isolated reports of consoles failing. The retailer-estimated failure rate is as high as 33%!*
I cannot justify spending that kind of money ($500 CDN) for an electronic item with that kind of failure rate, and I do not understand how anyone else can either. I can accept that 'lemons' will happen in any product and that Microsoft now extending the warranty a second time is an attempt to make good on consumer purchases, but it's just too much for me to want to lay out that kind of money for anything with that high a failure rate.
I'm hoping, as many are, that the 65nm process may lower the lemon rate. I'm hoping that MS gets a handle on whatever is causing the hardware failures. I keep hoping because I won't be a 360 owner until then.
And I really want to be a 360 owner.
*Source=http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,13...1/article.html
However, two of those 360s have gone triple-red in the past year. I realize some might say that this is anectodal evidence (and it is), but there aren't isolated reports of consoles failing. The retailer-estimated failure rate is as high as 33%!*
I cannot justify spending that kind of money ($500 CDN) for an electronic item with that kind of failure rate, and I do not understand how anyone else can either. I can accept that 'lemons' will happen in any product and that Microsoft now extending the warranty a second time is an attempt to make good on consumer purchases, but it's just too much for me to want to lay out that kind of money for anything with that high a failure rate.
I'm hoping, as many are, that the 65nm process may lower the lemon rate. I'm hoping that MS gets a handle on whatever is causing the hardware failures. I keep hoping because I won't be a 360 owner until then.
And I really want to be a 360 owner.
*Source=http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,13...1/article.html
Last edited by Fanboy; 07-06-07 at 01:22 PM.
07-09-07 | 08:24 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by aj9
if you jump on a 360 now....just make sure you pick one up w/ a 2 year warranty (best buy, etc), and if anything ever goes wrong w/ the unit, swap it out...
if it dies in 6 months, maybe by then the new units will have this newer chipset....?
but with a good extended warranty, you're covered.
if it dies in 6 months, maybe by then the new units will have this newer chipset....?
but with a good extended warranty, you're covered.
I just returned my faulty HD-DVD drive and got a new one with two free HD-DVDs for no additional money and my warranty is still active.
Last edited by Decker; 07-09-07 at 08:31 AM.
07-09-07 | 08:35 AM
#34
Originally Posted by im_ryandick
what happened to the elite coming in white also?
07-09-07 | 08:37 AM
#35
Originally Posted by Decker
What's nice is that if you swap it out for another one during the warranty period, you get the newer model, lower price (if there is one), any other promotion at the time, and still keep your replacement warranty active.
I just returned my faulty HD-DVD drive and got a new one with two free HD-DVDs for no additional money and my warranty is still active.
I just returned my faulty HD-DVD drive and got a new one with two free HD-DVDs for no additional money and my warranty is still active.
07-09-07 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
who do you have the warranty with? at Best Buy?
07-09-07 | 08:50 AM
#37
Originally Posted by Jeremy517
They know what is causing 90% of the failures, and one assumes that it will be fixed in manufacturing at some point, if not already.
07-09-07 | 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Decker
Yes, Best Buy.
*sigh*, personally, i can't handle this kind of stress.... sending the thing in for repair and have your live account put on hold etc....
07-09-07 | 12:40 PM
#43
Not really.
Dean Takahashi has the scoop on the updated Xbox 360 system that will finally make use of the microchips built using the a 65-nanometer manufacturing process:
Falcon is the name for the latest internal electronics in the Xbox 360. It will have an IBM microprocessor and an AMD/ATI graphics chip that are manufactured in a 65-nanometer production process. These are cost-reduced chips that do the same thing as their 90-nanometer predecessors, but they’re smaller.
With smaller chips, Microsoft gets a bunch of benefits. They won’t generate as much heat. So the risks of overheating — one of the main reasons behind Microsoft’s billion-dollar write-off for repairs and extended warranties — are much lower. The chips may also cost half of what it took to make them before because they use less material and fewer manufacturing steps to produce.
Falcon is the name for the latest internal electronics in the Xbox 360. It will have an IBM microprocessor and an AMD/ATI graphics chip that are manufactured in a 65-nanometer production process. These are cost-reduced chips that do the same thing as their 90-nanometer predecessors, but they’re smaller.
With smaller chips, Microsoft gets a bunch of benefits. They won’t generate as much heat. So the risks of overheating — one of the main reasons behind Microsoft’s billion-dollar write-off for repairs and extended warranties — are much lower. The chips may also cost half of what it took to make them before because they use less material and fewer manufacturing steps to produce.
07-09-07 | 12:53 PM
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The code name thing sounds like good news to me. We first heard the "Zephyr" code name back in January, and it was just a couple, three months later that the Elite hit the shelves. So maybe/hopefully this could mean the new chips will be out in the fall. . .
07-09-07 | 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by waporvare
I really wish that falcon had built in wifi and the hd-dvd drive installed along with an hdmi that could pass truehd.
One can only wish.
One can only wish.
07-09-07 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by waporvare
I really wish that falcon had built in wifi and the hd-dvd drive installed along with an hdmi that could pass truehd.
One can only wish.
One can only wish.