Is The Playstation 3 a bust?
#276
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Originally Posted by PixyJunket
Somebody needs to go inside! I know that the innards of the PS1 and PS2 are sheer nightmares.. the cables and wires of the PS2 are almost purposefully brittle to ward of would-be modders, getting to the "meat" is like cracking a safe and reassembly is almost never successful on the first attempt.
Or better yet... watch one being opened!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHS07...elated&search=
#278
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My PS2 stop reading discs (it actually would still read some, but even those it took about 5-10 time of resets to get it to work) after about 3 years of ownership.
I did a google search and found a recommended fix. It involved adjusting the laser (there's a dial to turn).
Since I've done that, it reads every disc I've put in there.
I did a google search and found a recommended fix. It involved adjusting the laser (there's a dial to turn).
Since I've done that, it reads every disc I've put in there.
#279
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Originally Posted by fumanstan
I agree with this part:
Deep down, the PS3 is a solid machine. It's got better hardware then the 360, has something fairly interesting in the SIXAXIS, has some great franchises and still has some great developer support behind it, a huge fanbase from the PS2... but instead of working all of it to their advantage, they come out and say stupid things, make up excuses, try and attack their competitors... it's a shame really.
Deep down, the PS3 is a solid machine. It's got better hardware then the 360, has something fairly interesting in the SIXAXIS, has some great franchises and still has some great developer support behind it, a huge fanbase from the PS2... but instead of working all of it to their advantage, they come out and say stupid things, make up excuses, try and attack their competitors... it's a shame really.
The problem is, it's not any better than the 360 unless you want blu-ray. The tilt-controller thing is going to be barely used IMO as you need both hands on the controller and in typical positions - how far can you really tilt it? You can only tilt it so far. It's like a half-assed Wiimote.
The hardware isn't really better either. It's got more CPU power but a little less gfx power. My experience with a PC tells me that the system with the better graphics card always wins in the performance match-up there, unless there is a MAJOR CPU power difference (exceptions for CPU0-intensive strategy games like Civilization).
PS3 = 360
The only advantage for the PS3 is that the 360 sucks at selling in Japan - thus more Japanese development should theoretically go to the PS3 - but they seem to be losing that to cross-platform development, at least for right now.
The PS3 is probably more fragile, but 360s are notoriously unreliable. Then again, my wife and I had a first run PS2 with the faulty DVD drive, and a buddy had the PS1 he had to flip upside down to work. So I'm not sure that they are really any more reliable yet.
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I think a LOT of people are currently having a 'wait and see' attitude with the PS3. wait 4-6 months, see how its going, see what new games come out etc etc
Sony need to bring out 5 Blockbuster console selling games to draw these people out to buying a PS3
Sony need to bring out 5 Blockbuster console selling games to draw these people out to buying a PS3
#281
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Originally Posted by Original Desmond
I think a LOT of people are currently having a 'wait and see' attitude with the PS3. wait 4-6 months, see how its going, see what new games come out etc etc
Sony need to bring out 5 Blockbuster console selling games to draw these people out to buying a PS3
Sony need to bring out 5 Blockbuster console selling games to draw these people out to buying a PS3
Metal Gear Solid may be a console seller, if it truly stays PS3 exclusive.
#284
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God of War 3 will likely be out next year, they've been working on it for a while (a different team did GoW2).
But I don't think anyone game is going to sell many $600 consoles. It will take several must buys to get most people who haven't bought one yet on board.
Personally, there's nothing they can do to get me on board at anywhere near that price point. Even $300 is pushing it for a console for me when I personally have just as much or more fun playing games on the $130 DS than I have on any console.
But I don't think anyone game is going to sell many $600 consoles. It will take several must buys to get most people who haven't bought one yet on board.
Personally, there's nothing they can do to get me on board at anywhere near that price point. Even $300 is pushing it for a console for me when I personally have just as much or more fun playing games on the $130 DS than I have on any console.
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I don't think it is a bust, it has been succesful in the one thing that Sony was really trying to push and that is Blu-Ray. Just look at the numbers of Casino Royale Blu-Ray units sold. Even if , in the long run the system doesn't sell as many units as predicted, Sony will be back for the next generation.
#287
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Originally Posted by PopcornTreeCt
I'm still sticking with my idea that this will be the last Playstation. You had a good run, Sony, 2 successful consoles is more than Sega had.
That said, it's still too early to call the PS3 a failure. I don't see them dramatically adding to their installed base anytime soon, but if they get one or two must-have exclusives out in time for Christmas combined with a price drop down to $399, they could still do well. I'm not convinced the second part will happen though.
#288
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I think a lot of people actually do want the PS3. They just don't want to pay for it. Personally, I'd like to have one. I'm just not shelling out that kind of money for one. I think the PS3 will sell really well in a couple years when the price comes down or if Blu Ray becomes the clear winner.
Again, the problem is they'll be playing catch up.
Again, the problem is they'll be playing catch up.
#289
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Originally Posted by LivingINClip
I don't think it is a bust, it has been succesful in the one thing that Sony was really trying to push and that is Blu-Ray. Just look at the numbers of Casino Royale Blu-Ray units sold. Even if , in the long run the system doesn't sell as many units as predicted, Sony will be back for the next generation.
Nintendo seems to be the only company that uses actual sell through numbers.
#291
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I am a proud and satisfied 360 owner, however I would like to have a PS3 too-- it is just ridiculous to pay that amount of money for a console that is less impressive than the 360.
Since it has developed that Devil May Cry 4 is coming to 360 on the same day the PS3 is getting it, I really don't have any real reason to buy a PS3 now.
Since it has developed that Devil May Cry 4 is coming to 360 on the same day the PS3 is getting it, I really don't have any real reason to buy a PS3 now.
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#292
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Originally Posted by Fandango
They never claimed to ship a million copies of Casino Royale, the number they gave was 100k.
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Originally Posted by Josh Hinkle
God of War 3 will likely be out next year, they've been working on it for a while (a different team did GoW2).
#295
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Originally Posted by Fandango
If this is what you are referring to, that was first week sales. Relatively speaking, that is very impressive. By now that number has probably doubled.
#296
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Originally Posted by Fandango
If this is what you are referring to, that was first week sales. Relatively speaking, that is very impressive. By now that number has probably doubled.
Basically the entire reason for the PS3 costing $600 is Sony's desire to win a format war for HD and to this point there seems to be very few people that are interested in either HD format. The HD movie format may not even be worth winning and in fighting that battle Sony has also given up huge market shart to Microsoft and Nintendo.
The PS3 is looking like a lose, lose for Sony overall.
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Originally Posted by DodgingCars
I think a lot of people actually do want the PS3. They just don't want to pay for it. Personally, I'd like to have one. I'm just not shelling out that kind of money for one.
My magic price point is $300. I only bought a premium 360 during one of those sales when you could get it for $300. I will not be buying a PS3 until it hits $300. I can live without a few games until then.
Sony's determination to have Blu-ray win the HD war will bite them in the ass. They should have made it an optional add-on like MS's HD-DVD drive.
Joe Public does not care about HD. Look how long it took them to adopt DVD technology. There is no way they are going to jump into HD technology any quicker.
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#298
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Originally Posted by taffer
Exactly. I do want a PS3, but there is no way in hell I am going to pay $600 for it no matter how many good exclusives it may get. I am not made of money.
My magic price point is $300. I only bought a premium 360 during one of those sales when you could get it for $300. I will not be buying a PS3 until it hits $300. I can live without a few games until then.
Sony's determination to have Blu-ray win the HD war will bite them in the ass. They should have made it an optional add-on like MS's HD-DVD drive.
Joe Public does not care about HD. Look how long it took them to adopt DVD technology. There is no way they are going to jump into HD technology any quicker.
My magic price point is $300. I only bought a premium 360 during one of those sales when you could get it for $300. I will not be buying a PS3 until it hits $300. I can live without a few games until then.
Sony's determination to have Blu-ray win the HD war will bite them in the ass. They should have made it an optional add-on like MS's HD-DVD drive.
Joe Public does not care about HD. Look how long it took them to adopt DVD technology. There is no way they are going to jump into HD technology any quicker.
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DVD players was/is the most successful consumer electronic adoption ever. Reasons for that were 3 fold:
1. Technology got "cheap" fast.
2. People's existing setups worked fine for the new technology
3. The leap from VHS to DVD was quite noticeable, even to those that were not videophiles.
1. Technology got "cheap" fast.
2. People's existing setups worked fine for the new technology
3. The leap from VHS to DVD was quite noticeable, even to those that were not videophiles.
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Originally Posted by jeffdsmith
1. Technology got "cheap" fast..