What did I say? I don't remember posting about anything you talk about.

But like you said, it all boils down to one thing:

"for the millionth time" IF you are in the market for a blu-ray player. Sony seems to think gamer is synonymous with technophile. They are NOT mutually exclusive. The PS3 could be the best machine on the market with the best online service and best selection of games. That doesn't mean I want to be force fed a format I don't want just to further their agenda in a different industry.

Sony is selling a blu-ray player first and a game machine second. I'm a gamer first so their agenda isn't aligned with my tastes. I'm sure I can't be the only one.

Definitely not the only one. Their strategy, pricing and arrogance has me boycotting them when I currently own a fuckton of Sony products and played the PS2 the most this past gen.

I feel you, point taken

However hardware-wise, i still think the PS3 is an incredible machine. Of course, i'm biased b/c i lean toward the BR part

People said BR gonna die b/c B1G1 free deal etc..., hell, i hope they are right, cause that means more deal for me

Nothing beats the sensation to watch/own a favorite movie in HD Who cares it's BR or HD DVD... The only reason i didn't get the X360, b/c the HD DVD add-on sucks, i.e. the most inferior HD dvd player in the market (probably not that bad, but it's not great that's for sure).

Besides, when you do the math, X360 + HDdvd player, is about the same as PS3. BUT for the X360, you're getting an inferior add-on...

So, until the new X360 and new add-ons, i'll stay away from it for sure.

Again, i'm equally into movies and games, so for me, it's a must that the game console should be able to play dvds. That's why i don't really like my Wii, the damn machine can't play dvds (i got it hooked via component too, damn it). Read it somewhere that mod chips are available for the Wii. Swiit Of course, i'll stay away from that stuffs

All your blu-ray are belong to me.

It's not going to matter when you get anything because always later onsomething newer and better is coming down the pike. However you should take a closer look at the games themselves and what fits your style. No ifs or buts about it 360 games are making noise with Gears, Rainbow Six, Lost Planet, Dead Rising and recently Midway. Around the corner there are GRAW2, Mass Effect and Bio Shock. If you wait till the end of the year you'll miss out on Halo 3 and I have to add Unreal 3 as well.

Bottom line the technical stuff always changes but getting in on the games with everyone else...priceless


Kenny J - Buzz Starhopper

Sorry...let me clarify. I don't think the machine is neccessarily more powerful, or it even looks better (in fact i think the 360 looks pretty nice as does the WEii compared to the PS3), however i think that the insides of the machine have been thought out much better. In the last couple of weeks i have been itching to pick up a 360, but after reading many, many stories of the noise and overheating of the machines i have refrained from doing so. I played on my nephews360 and thought that it was amazing, but i felt how hot it gets and it really made me think twice. Added to which the PS3 has the BR and a better sized Hard Drive and i generally think it is just ahead of the 360. If MS gets the new 360 (zephyr) out by the end of 2007 and addresses its machines problems then i think the two consoles will be on much more of a level playing field. For me i want all three consoles to do well. Healthy competition usually means better games. I remember when i was a kid back in England with my Sinclair Spectrum and the competition that machine had with the C64. Great days.

There is a unverified rumour that a new version of the 360 will be released in Australia.

http://www.maxconsole.net/?mode=news&newsid=14174

Someone in this thread earlier posted. that with the ps3 its backward compatible, which means that the ps2 games will also play in the ps3 system. Also if one has to consider buyig the ps3 the question is 20gb or 60gb.

Hmmm, mmm, mmm, sounds delicious, but not the US and hell, it's only a rumor too. Thanks for the read though.

I want to say this that my decision is becoming even more harder now. I have read from you and a lot of other places that the heat and noise is an issue. I was considering the xbox 360 also to watch HD-DVD's with the add hd-dvd player.However, it looks like that there are some titles that I want is in either blu ray or HD-DVD and it looks like more is on the BR side. This made me look into the PS3, which I think is backward compatable with the PS2 games and also has a BR player, which is good.
I guess I may end up buying the PS3 and later if the Xbox 360 comes out with a newer version I may pick up the Xbox 360 and the add on player to have both formats becuase it looks like both formats are here to stay. This is the only road I see I can enjoy both formats and games. I know that there are stand alone BR players but my reasonig is why pay so much just for a stand alone player when you can get a game console along with it for less.

Am I making any sense.

If movies were that big a deal, you should have mentioned that in the original post.

HD-DVD is definitely the underdog in that fight.

some movies that are only on bluray in the US are available on HD-DVD in other countries (no region coding like DVDs have) see the HD forum for details...

UNCONFIRMED: The UK Official Xbox 360 magazine reported that Microsoft will release a limited Black Edition of Xbox 360 in Australia in March 2007. The console will come with a black 360 controller, 120GB hard drive and HDMI output. The retail price will be AU$749 (US$584 or 70792 yen).


PS. It's expensive for people in AU. I do hope US version is cheaper than current PREMIUM version.

lol 4 posts up sport...

I seems to me that you've decided to buy a video game system based on it's current DVD market selection over it's current game selection. I don't think you can find anyone who'd suggest the PS3 has a better game selection at this point. If you can own both the 360 and PS3 at some point in the future, is there a reason why you'd buy a 'game system' now based on DVD's more then the actual games/primary use? I'm not telling you to buy one over the other, but that's what I'm reading here.

My rational behind is that I am a casual gamer as I will not be playing a lot. Like most of you do for whom the player is secondary and may not even consider it. If I can get something which will satisfy my need to play games when I feel like and also can play dvd's why not. If I was a hard core gamer I would not have even looked at wheather it can play dvd's or not. But with technology you have the advantage of getting more than one thing out of a system (xbox 360 or PS3) which funtions both as a game console and a dvd player, I would definately like to take advantage of it.

Sounds like you need to hit the HD forum then to see which studios are with each company to see where your tastes and needs lie before you decide.

749 is actually not that bad in aussie. The aussie is quite high at the moment compared to the american dollar, so it makes it seem a little more expensive. 749 for a souped up 360 with the uber HDD is going to look very favourable against the ps3 launch price.

if you're not worried about waiting, you can probably wait till the ps3 drops in price around next christmas. By then more blu ray movies will be out too. Im not sure the game catalog is ramping up very well (is oblivion even out yet for the ps3?) but at least youll have your blu ray player and a few games. If you were more into games, youd have a clearer cut decision between the 360 or the wii as far as that goes.

For me the 360 has the best of gaming and HD movies and I can wait at least a year before I have to have a blu ray player--and there may even be a better alternative than the ps3 by then.

Nope. And from what I have heard the expansions won't quite work the same on the PS3 as with the 360.

Regarding, next gen movie playback, for me it's a very new thing to see HT enthusiasts (on various forums) actually considering consoles as their primary movie playback device. Last gen, the idea of relying on the ps2 or xbox for dvd playback if you were a serious movie enthusiast was unheard of.

Now I understand that its a different case this time round. Many of the standalone HD movie players are ridiculously overpriced, and some of them are duds (according to the reviews anyway). But you'd think, at least in 12-24 months, the price is going to come down massively, and the quality of the players should be better than that of ps3 or 360. As a bonus, it should also be clearer at that point which format will succeed.

Now I know if your keen on HD movie playback then the ps3 looks a better deal. But from the game perspective, the 360 is just starting to look better and better. It's a combination of:
- a trend of ps3 exclusives moving to 360, no one can really predict which will go next. DMC? Silent Hill? A final fantasy game? (although prob not 13) Only the sony 1st party games are truely safe.
- the existing 360 exclusives
- multiplatform games looking better on average, on 360 than ps3, and earlier release dates on 360 for cross platform games (eg UT3, Oblivion on ps3 requiring extra engine retooling to even make it run on 256 meg of ram)
- xbox live better than sonys network

A lot of it's opinion only, but that's mine at the moment. Totally with you on 360 noise and heat issues, that's why I'm waiting on the next iteration. But I'm definitely not going to buy one of those overpriced sony boats anytime soon (it's possible the ps3 might have it's own issues down the line, the 3 red rings of death took about 6 months to become really common). It means waiting longer for next gen movie playback, but I think it's the best course right now.

another link

http://www.el33tonline.com/main/show_news/2685

False info. Apparently already been debunked.

Not necessarily debunked. The first was said by a technical guy. The "debunk" was said later by a publicity guy. It's quite common for the technical guys to say things that the publicity guys wish they hadn't. In this case the truth may be somewhere in between.

To be honest, Garnet's (1up) explanation of the issue sounded a bit weird, but no smoke without fire etc..

Was it Garnet talking about the balance of the expansions on the outset? That's what I read, which makes sense. Which really has nothing to do with a technical limitation. But maybe that was the PR response. I thought that was right from the developer though.