I played Alien Huminid and Capcom Classic V2 (PS2 games) on the PS3, no problems at all... man, this beats the crap out of Wii's VC games. Best of all? I paid $14 for each (new).

Played Tekken 5 last night and while it was 99% fine, there was one 2 second
or so moment where it glitched to the point that I thought the system had crashed
(strange noise, then black screen). The match resumed exactly where it had left
off, but man, not a fun feeling :)

Was that in vs mode? We never got around to trying any of the single player modes.

It was in single player. I haven't tried vs. yet.

Yeah, my new car beats the crap out of my neighbor's kid's skate shoes.

Sony announced a long time ago that the hardware PS2 emulation in the PS3 was temporary and would be replaced by a software solution. That was always Sony's plan to help reduce costs. No one should be surprised by this.

One nice thing about a software solution is that it should be easier to fix problems via firmware updates than a hardware solution.

That may be, but it doesn't look good when you've already delayed the European launch. If anything, the delay should have given them enough time to make sure this wasn't an issue.

So, anyone pick up FLOW yet in the PSN Marketplace for $7.99?

:lol:

If it turns out anything like the 360, don't expect too many updates. MS has released four BC updates since the 360 first came out, and there are still several popular games that are missing from the BC list.

Does it offer anything that the free flash game doesn't?

I know I haven't posted much in any of the next gen threads much, but I had to chime in on this one. A major reason we bought our PS2 was because of the DVD playback, and the full BC with the PS1. We still have a PS1, but I honestly find myself playing the older games on the PS2 far more often just because it's already hooked up. The wife and I were already planning on waiting for the PS3 price drop (like a couple years at least, we've got a new gamer coming this summer, and we have been told they can be expensive), and now this news that it might not be fully backwards compatible has really put a major dent in any support we had for this. We've got a huge PS1 and PS2 Final Fantasy collection going on, and we'd hate to miss out on any PS3 installments, but I'm just not feeling much love for this system right now.


Kinda funny, whenever I wanted a new system as a kid, my dad was always asking if it would play the old games too. Now that I'm about to become a dad, that POV is becoming even more clear to me than it ever was :lol:

errr, dude, i was comparing the nostalgic values... Capcom classic V2 games vs the Wii's VC games, both money-wise and games-wise. I haven't download any VC games on my Wii, b/c i don't like the prices they charge for some old games.

Surprised? Maybe not. Worried? Sure, if BC is important to you and you were waiting for a price drop, perhaps.

Why worry? Is Sony gonna take away the BC or something? I know that the current patch/fix is not 100% BC, but still, all the PS2 games i played on the PS3 were fine... I doubt that the new firmware gonna disable the BC support.

Personally, i don't understand why people wait for price drop. How much are we talking about? will it be more than $100? With the "negative" attitude around the gaming communities, i was able to purchase a PS3 for less than $500 (60 gb) :) My brother got his for $560 (new). It seems that most people i know got their PS3 for less than $600 (including taxes and what not).

There you go, my price drop right there!

Also, i kinda fixed the heating problem. Well, actually, it wasn't a problem to start with, i removed the GameCube and thus increased the ventilation area between the PS3 and the Wii. Viola, the 10 inches space provided good ventilation for the PS3. It's still hot, but not like an oven... Oh, i also notice that when i play PS2 games, the PS3 is not "hot" as when i'm playing PS3 games (for the same amount of times of course). So, i'm guessing that there's some kinda efficiency control internally, which is a good thing. Given that it's a Sony product, i'm pretty confident that the PS3 is a solid piece of eletronic equipement (please don't get confused with the lack of games and on-line gamings, that's not the hardware problem).

Yeah, the efficiency is the fact that there's a separate PS2 chip in there to run the PS2 games. It isn't using the Cell chips and therefore they aren't generating all the heat to play the latest in HD, next-gen games. If (and when) Sony takes that away from the hardware and replaces it with a software solution, it is possible that the heat to play a PS2 game will increase while compatibility simultaneously decreases. Given it'll cost the consumer the same amount, it is in no way a fair trade off for the late-comers to the PS3 party. I know that doesn't affect you (unless you eventually need a replacement), but it is a significant difference that is only meant to ease the financial burden Sony faces on each unit produced.

There's more to waiting for a console than a price drop on the console itself. If there's no games and you're not interested in a Blu-Ray player, then 500, 560, or even 600 is just wasted money that could be better used in the short term or just simply saved until the time is right. Additionally, and this has been hammered home many times in all 3 console threads, the longer you wait to make the plunge the better the chance the games that are already out also reduce in price. Sometimes your price drop isn't necessarily on the hardware itself, but on what you have to buy to utilize the hardware in a satisfactory way.

The worry is this: The European model is not built with the same components as the one in the US and Japan. Ours have PS2 hardware inside that allow for maximum BC. The ones launching in Europe don't have this hardware and are only doing BC via software emulation ala the 360.

Clearly this is a move to cut costs of the unit and future versions of the console shipped to the US will certainly be like this as well. So my concern is that if you don't buy one within the launch window where you get 98-99% backwards compatibility, you get the version where it only has "limited" BC. And in the same press release where Sony called it "limited" they already said they don't intend on focusing on the issue for very long. So if BC is important, the longer you wait to buy the console, the less functional it will be.

thanks for the clearification, oh man, i'm glad i brought mines!!! Oh, it sucks sooo bad that the new PS3 are designed this way. Not a wise move Sony... I felt bad for the European gamers :(

More BS from sony. :lol:

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3157501

Sony: Rumble is a 'Last Generation Feature'
Nintendo and Microsoft didn't get the memo, apparently.

By Patrick Klepek, 02/26/2007

The reason Sony didn't incorporate rumble into SIXAXIS wasn't related to a lawsuit over patent rights, but because it was a "last generation feature," according to Sony's president of worldwide studios Phil Harrison. Speaking to GameDaily BIZ, the outspoken exec. dashed hopes of the feature making a comeback later in PlayStation 3's life:

"I believe that the Sixaxis controller offers game designers and developers far more opportunity for future innovation than rumble ever did. Now, rumble I think was the last generation feature; it's not the next-generation feature. I think motion sensitivity is. And we don't see the need to do that. Having said that, there will be specific game function controllers, potentially like steering wheels that do include vibration or feedback function -- not from us but from third parties."

Ouch.

ahh the "Less=more" approach!

I still dont understand how Xbox can do rumble but Sony cant.

"360 does what Son't."

Yes, that's a horrible callback, but you get the reference ;)

Just when I was thinking about finally getting my first playstation, they go on and insult our intelligence again. Last generation feature??? I think before they tried to pass it off that the motion sensing and rumble wouldn't work together, which was also proven false. I want to go HD, but I think I'll sit this one out for a few more months...

Microsoft was forced to buy a share of Immersion or something like that.

I'm sure I'm in the minority here but I don't miss the rumble. hell, it was the first thing I disabled in my 360.

True, i don't use the rumble feature as well too... It's nice for shooting games, more realism to the games, but it's not that important to me. While playing CoD3 on the PS3, moving the ccontroller to hit the crate box is pretty neat...

I don't miss the rumble either. I also like the fact that the Sixaxis is less heavy that the 360 controller.