PixyJunket

And you've made this decision based on two screenshots and 10 seconds of footage?

Setzer

I still believe the media capacity limits you on how big a game world you can make. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you're making a 3D world with lots of areas and dungeons to explore it's going to require more data than a game that has one area and one dungeon, am I right?

I guess I need to rephrase what I said, media capacity limits how big a game you can make not length but the way I look at is, the larger the game world, the more there is to see and do thus the game being longer.

Noonan

Based on watching 4 people play at the same time, running around and hacking at things in real time. That is not a RPG regardless of how good it turns out (which I hope is excellet).

PixyJunket

Dude, you've got two programmers telling you that it is inconsequential and you're still holing onto that Blu-Ray of Light?

Josh H

I'm still not sure that's true, as you can just use lower textures and polygon counts, recycle textures etc. and get a world just as big in much less space.

You can also have more to do in a smaller world and make the game longer.

I just don't see the space having much to do with length. It has more to do with graphics, sound, videos etc.

Josh H

Wrong. It means it is not a turn based RPG.

It can still be an epic RPG, which is what your original post was saying it was not.

The combat system doesn't effect whether or not it's an RPG.

Setzer

Ok genius, if what you say is true then DQIX on the DS should be longer and look just as good as DQVIII on the PS2. I can expect 60+hrs of epic RPG fun, in a lush 3D game world because media capacity isn't an issue. Awesome.

Jeremy517

Sigh. It doesn't guarantee that it WILL be that long. It just means that it CAN be that long if they want it to be. Being on the PS3 wouldn't guarantee that it would be that long either.

pinata242

He's just saying that because it's on the DS doesn't mean it can't be 60+ hours. He isn't saying it will be.

PixyJunket

Exactly, based on what's been said and shown you can say two things: 1. It's now an action-RPG with an online co-op mode. 2. It won't look and sound as good as a PS2/PS3/PS4/PS5 game. But to say the game is going to be "dumbed down," won't be as long or won't be "epic" are just baseless conclusions.

I don't know.. I'm just scratching my head at the sheer number of solid, concrete "this game will suck" opinions the internet kids have formed based on the VERY little that has been shown. It's quite bemusing at the very least.

Setzer

The game won't be 60+hrs because it's a portable game w/multi-player, I said this before.

By the way, I never said the game was going to "suck". I just don't like the idea of taking an epic rpg, like Dragon Quest, and putting it on a portable system. It would be like Square saying Final Fantasy XIII is going to be on the PSP. I think it's great spin-offs like Final Fantasy Tactics, Dragon Quest Rocket Slime, FFXII-2, etc. are being done for the portables and they should do more of them. DQIX belongs on a console not a portable, imo....and I don't care if it's the PS3(like most of you are implying) or the Wii.

pinata242

But you can't possibly know that. We don't know to what extent the multi-player is used.

Here's a quote by Horii himself:

Noonan

Clearly everyone has been reading my posts wrong. In every post I've made for this game (go ahead and look at them) I've stated that I'm hoping it's a great game. All I'm saying is that they've taken the one franchise which is known for being a traditional RPG and doing it extremely well, and they're turning it into a multiplayer action/adventure/rpg'ish type of game. I will buy this game the day it hits stores regardless, but I would have been much happier if they kept the series doing what it has done so well in the past.

fumanstan

I haven't really heard anyone proclaiming that it'll suck. Must be the circles you travel in

This reminds me that I need to play DQ8 though. I bought it but barely touched it.

Celpacius

Pokemon disagrees with you.

Setzer

Pokemon

Josh H

Everyone has been saying all along that it won't look as good. That wasn't part of your original argument, which was focused on length.

And as others said, the DS could make it a 60+ hour game, but that doesn't mean they will.

At any rate, lets quit debating this and just wait and see what the game is like.

madara

Heh, I think we all know by now if you want more objective opinions to look elsewhere. This forum is more a haven for fans that think makers can do no wrong and for most part love nearly everything with casual play Which can actually be a relief after coming from a board that has 80 pages now on how this is the end of gaming for hardcore fans, that japan is killing console play with non games and more support on handhelds etc.
Jury is still out but I say this is okay as long as X goes back to a console with epic upgrades to sound and overworld again, Wii would be great.

RichC2

It sounds to me like they want some quick cash, and what better way to do that than release a hotly anticipated game for a hot selling item that has a huge tie ratio.

That said, I'm there regardless.

dom56

I have to say I'm a little disappointed that the next DQ is going to the DS. Why not on the Wii, isn't the console selling well in Japan? I really don't liked playing on a portable because of the tiny screen. Wonder if Jessica be back, cause I would have trouble trying to see her Puff-Puff.

Outlaw

I didn't read the thread because its mostly a lot whining going on. But from the jist of it, you are forgetting Dragon Quest VII (PSOne). That game was 100 hours long, and didn't need graphical flair to be good, it also was a lot more deep than DQVIII on the PS2. That said, the screens do look really nice, the DS is my all time favorite console ever, so I'm excited to hear this. A system where you can play Final Fantasy VI AND the newest Dragon Quest???? Gaming bliss

edit: Its hilarious to see all the hate on this, and more so on other forums. It is very much doable, and even more convenient and enjoyable, to play an RPG for a handheld device. I had my doubts once, then I bought Mario and Luigi, Final Fantasy V, Rocket Slime, Magical Starsign...

Breakfast with Girls

I ended FFTA at 115 hours, but I agree that most portable RPGs are in the 10-30 hour range. Then again, most console RPGs are, too.

I'm THRILLED by this announcement. I was afraid I would have to buy a PS3, which (like PixyJunket) I have zero interest in.

Breakfast with Girls

The original game was most definitely an RPG and was a lot of fun. I haven't played any since then.

Setzer

Agreed. I would have much rather seen this on the Wii or the PS3. Not that I dislike portable RPG's it's just that I prefer playing epic RPG's like DQ, Final Fantasy, Grandia, etc. in my living room, on my TV and not on a little 2 inch screen. This is my preference and I'm not speaking for everyone. I understand a majority of you probably don't care if it's on a console or portable system and that's cool.

We'll see what the final product is but I'm fairly certain of the following....

1) Graphically it won't be as good as DQVIII nor will the sound and I don't know if there will be any spoken dialogue or not but I doubt it.

2) Game won't be as long as past DQ games, probably 1/2 the time because it's portable.

3) From the movies it's going to be an action-RPG. Turn based is gone...unless that movie is of Multiplayer mode only and single player is done classic DQ style.

The Level 5 team may surprise me and I hope they do but it still doesn't change the fact that this game is on the DS. Why not the Wii first and then do a spin-off on the DS that interacted with the Wii in some way??? Gahhh. Sadly, I'm disappointed with this news.

fujishig

There would probably be more complaints about the Wii, because of the change in control schemes... and the hospital bills from all the gamers who hurt their arms doing repetitive motions while killing slimes.

BTW, what's wrong with Pokemon?