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Li 11-13-06 04:16 PM

It's going to be raining with near freezing temperatures on Wednesday and Thursday here in Columbus. Hopefully that'll deter many people from starting a line too early.

Schloob1 11-13-06 04:31 PM

Sure would be nice if they went back in the systems and did this for those of us who had to wait weeks for our 360's from EbGames/Gamestops last year.

Draven 11-13-06 05:25 PM

You know, if I had gotten in a pre-order for $100 and Gamestop called to tell me that that I would not get a system at launch, I'd be heading down to get my $100 back.

I cannot fathom the point of a pre-order that does not guarantee a system. I know this isn't new, but I still cannot wrap my brain around it.

Save Ferris 11-13-06 05:49 PM

This was in a Circuit City catalog I got in the mail today--How exactly does one use the PS3 for video chat?

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/2219/ps3huhjg2.jpg

it also states that Oblivion is available on launch day...

Binger 11-13-06 06:24 PM

Well, I guess word is filtering to the ebay crowd. A PS3 just went for $3000 on ebay.

maingon 11-13-06 06:30 PM

probably eyetoy, played ps3 again today at Best buy, I know its only a demo but I find it disappointing from all the cool videos Sony showed at E3 etc. The crashes look excellent the game has fantastic physics but its not as impressive as the videos and not that much fun feels more like a tech demo then a real game. the sixaxis works pretty well though, you can steer pretty well. But visually the game is so so.

Liver&Onions 11-13-06 06:36 PM

I just called the place I have my order... I was bumped :( fuckers. He said it was Sony who isn't delivering on the promise, they only sold what they were initially told by Sony. 2nd shipment for me... I sure hope ebay is still working then, or my wife will kick my ass.

dvd182 11-13-06 06:41 PM

I just got a call from EB. The girl said that their allocation was cut, but since I was the first one in line I would get a system at launch. She offered the free used game/dvd to drop to the second shipment, but I told her I'd much rather have one at launch.

Liver&Onions 11-13-06 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by dvd182
I just got a call from EB. The girl said that their allocation was cut, but since I was the first one in line I would get a system at launch. She offered the free used game/dvd to drop to the second shipment, but I told her I'd much rather have one at launch.

I just need 2 people to take pity on me and wait for the 2nd shipment -pray- :fc:

ChrisHicks 11-13-06 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Liver&Onions
I just need 2 people to take pity on me and wait for the 2nd shipment -pray- :fc:

I'm sure 2 people will jump at the chance to get that free movie/game instead of unloading it on ebay. :D

Liver&Onions 11-13-06 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by ChrisHicks
I'm sure 2 people will jump at the chance to get that free movie/game instead of unloading it on ebay. :D

yeah no kidding :-/

NiCK Crush 11-13-06 07:13 PM

just wanted to chime in... played the PS3 at Target today. I played some sort of Motor sports game and NBA 07... couldnt believe the graphics. Just crazy.

Anyway, i myself am getting a Wii... cant shell out the money just yet for the PS3... but you guys are all in for a treat (obviously).

-NiCK

spainlinx0 11-13-06 08:38 PM

I saw NBA 07 at Target, but I thought the graphics looked weird. I'm not saying the PS3 won't provide graphically, but these people looked very very plastic-y. I don't know, I just wasn't feeling it. Also while waiting to play Motostorm it seemed to take longer to load than I had expected.

ChrisHicks 11-13-06 09:32 PM

ok, this whole "going to get a PS3 no matter what" stuff is hitting new lows. I was out earlier picking up some subs for dinner and I overheard a few guys planning on staking out some stores starting tonight to watch for the PS3 shipments to arrive. the plan is to steal them off the truck to sell on ebay. then one of the guys said if that doesn't work he's going to pretend he's handicapped to try to cut in line or whatever. I guess he secured some crutches or a wheelchair or something. he said he should be able to walk right up to the front because who's going to want to fight a handicapped person.

are people really this desperate to make some quick money?

Supermallet 11-13-06 09:44 PM


Originally Posted by ChrisHicks
ok, this whole "going to get a PS3 no matter what" stuff is hitting new lows. I was out earlier picking up some subs for dinner and I overheard a few guys planning on staking out some stores starting tonight to watch for the PS3 shipments to arrive. the plan is to steal them off the truck to sell on ebay. then one of the guys said if that doesn't work he's going to pretend he's handicapped to try to cut in line or whatever. I guess he secured some crutches or a wheelchair or something. he said he should be able to walk right up to the front because who's going to want to fight a handicapped person.

are people really this desperate to make some quick money?

Hmph. Shows what you know. Those are just rabid Ridge Racer fans.


Originally Posted by Draven
You know, if I had gotten in a pre-order for $100 and Gamestop called to tell me that that I would not get a system at launch, I'd be heading down to get my $100 back.

And that's entirely your choice. Gamestop doesn't hold people's money against their will.


Originally Posted by Draven
I cannot fathom the point of a pre-order that does not guarantee a system. I know this isn't new, but I still cannot wrap my brain around it.

Well, when Sony tells Gamestop "You're getting X amount of systems" and then the week of the launch they say "You're actually getting 40% less than that," whose fault do you think it is? I wouldn't say Gamestop's.

PixyJunket 11-14-06 07:43 AM

I got to play a PS3 last night at Best Buy. First of all that controller is LIGHT! But I liked the trigger L2/R2 buttons (welcome to 1999 Sony). I still hope they release a PS2 adapter for these.. I'm so sick of having to swap out the shitty Logitech controller every time one of the buttons wears out. Well, all they had was basketball and it took like three minutes to actually get to the demo.. I don't think that was bad load time.. just fifty freaking logos to sit through. So um.. basketball.. I've got nothing.

Michael Corvin 11-14-06 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
Well, all they had was basketball and it took like three minutes to actually get to the demo.. I don't think that was bad load time..

Wow.. really? Yikes. 3 minutes is an eternity.

Draven 11-14-06 09:14 AM

Here's what 1up is saying about the launch lineup:


The Real PlayStation 3 Launch Lineup
Where'd all the launch games go?
by Luke Smith, 11/10/2006

Games that we once expected to see on the PlayStation 3 at launch have started to disappear. One has been canceled (so long NBA Live 07), some delayed, but just a week away from the PlayStation 3's launch the software lineup continues to shuffle. Here's what's left and what's been shelved.

Resistance: Fall of Man
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom
Genji: Days of the Blade
NBA 07
Sonic the Hedgehog -- Delayed off of launch list.
Call of Duty 3
Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion -- Delayed to Q1 2007.
F.E.A.R. -- Delayed off of launch list.
Ridge Racer 7
Fight Night Round 3
Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WW II -- Delayed until December.
Full Auto 2: Battlelines -- Delayed until early December.
Madden NFL 2007
Marvel Ultimate Alliance
Mobile Suit Gundam: Crossfire
NBA 2k7
Need for Speed: Carbon
NHL 2k7
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 07
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Vegas -- Delayed until December.
Tony Hawk's Project 8

Draven 11-14-06 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet

And that's entirely your choice. Gamestop doesn't hold people's money against their will.

I never said they did. But if I give a store $100 to reserve a system and they take it, I expect the system. If that doesn't happen, no reason to give them the money.


Well, when Sony tells Gamestop "You're getting X amount of systems" and then the week of the launch they say "You're actually getting 40% less than that," whose fault do you think it is? I wouldn't say Gamestop's.
Two things.

1) Gamestop has always said that a pre-order does not guarantee a system/game/whatever. That is the process I don't understand. They had the same problem with the 360.

2) I don't really care about what's going on between Sony and Gamestop. These two businesses need to figure this out between them, not yank the consumer around. If Gamestop is going to institute a $100 pre-order system throughout their stores, they better be DAMN sure they are going to get enough consoles to cover it. If there is any chance that won't happen, they shouldn't have rolled out the system. It sucks that Sony cut the shipments (but honestly, none of us seem too shocked by the news - how come Gamestop was so surprised?) but Gamestop apparently had no problems rolling out pre-orders and taking people's money.

KurrptSenate 11-14-06 09:30 AM

I can kind of see your point, considering they are taking 1,000s of pre-orders, collecting interest on that money, and saying "Oh, whoops, sorry. No system for you" and only returning your 100.00

Michael Corvin 11-14-06 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by Draven

2) I don't really care about what's going on between Sony and Gamestop. These two businesses need to figure this out between them, not yank the consumer around.

Exactly. Shuffle the numbers around if need be. They have thousands of customers that already put down money on the system. Shaft the K-marts & mom & pop stores of the world if you have to, guarantee them a higher quantity the next shipment. Then by the third shipment everything is peachy.

kgrogers1979 11-14-06 10:40 AM


Originally Posted by ChrisHicks
ok, this whole "going to get a PS3 no matter what" stuff is hitting new lows. I was out earlier picking up some subs for dinner and I overheard a few guys planning on staking out some stores starting tonight to watch for the PS3 shipments to arrive. the plan is to steal them off the truck to sell on ebay.

How is that going to work? Sony or the store will have records of the serial numbers. They could easily track down the stolen consoles that way.


then one of the guys said if that doesn't work he's going to pretend he's handicapped to try to cut in line or whatever. I guess he secured some crutches or a wheelchair or something. he said he should be able to walk right up to the front because who's going to want to fight a handicapped person.
I would never fight a handicapped person, but I would have no problem telling the asshat to wait in line like everyone else, and if he doesn't comply, I would call security and let them deal with him.

Josh H 11-14-06 10:42 AM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Exactly. Shuffle the numbers around if need be. They have thousands of customers that already put down money on the system. Shaft the K-marts & mom & pop stores of the world if you have to, guarantee them a higher quantity the next shipment. Then by the third shipment everything is peachy.


Exactly. I fault Sony for not doing that. If you tell the gamestores they will get a set amount, knowing they will take money from customers for that number of systems, you need to follow through on your word and make sure that they get that number of systems by pulling from other stores allotments if need be.

I hope those that got shafted that actually wanted the system to play just buy a 360 or Wii and pass on the PS3. But the majority are probably eBay hoarders anyway so its a moot point.

mrpayroll 11-14-06 11:14 AM

Uhhh ohhh
 
http://www.playfuls.com/news_05169_P...PS2_Games.html


PlayStation 3 Has Compatibility Problems with PS2 Games

05:48 PM, November 14th 2006
by News Staff

Shortly after the Japanese launch of its next-generation console, Sony already faces the first problems. Fortunately enough, these are not hardware deficiencies. They are compatibility problems with the games created for PlayStation 2. The Japanese company admitted today that there are indeed games that do not function properly on PlayStation 3.

Sony officials have not specified the number of games that do not work nor have they specified which games are incompatible, but according to information published by Sankei, Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo are among them. Sankei also estimates the number of affected games at about 200.

The compatibility issue affects graphics in some of the games and causes audio difficulties in others.

Sony has stated that it will try to remedy these problems by posting upgrades online, but company officials have refused to specify the number or titles of the problem-games, BBC News informs.

Problems surfacing immediately after a launch are not something new in the world of consoles. Last year, after Microsoft launched Xbox 360, there were numerous complaints from customers relating to the overheating of the source, which led to dysfunctions.

Sony has always said that PlayStation 3 will be perfectly compatible with PS 2 titles, PS 2 being the market leader right now. As a matter of fact, compatibility was one of the aces Sony hoped to win the console war with, which has reached a new level with this latest launch in Japan.

PlayStation 3, which at this moment has already claimed the title of most technically advanced console, should have been launched in March 2006. Sony was forced to postpone the event to November 2006, promising a simultaneous launch in Japan, the US and Europe as a compensation. Technical problems regarding the Blu-Ray units unfortunately caused another change of plan and Sony had to limit itself to Japan and the US, rescheduling the European launch for March 2007.

Sony also had to reduce the number of units it intended to deliver along with the introduction of PS 3, cutting down the number to 100,000 units for Japan and 400,000 for the US.

And all these incidents would be acceptable had Sony not entangled itself in a life and death battle with Microsoft and Nintendo. Microsoft launched Xbox 360 last year and has had reasonable results so far. Nevertheless, it hasn’t had significant sales in Japan, a market considered to be loyal to PlayStation, customers choosing to wait for PlayStation 3.

One reason the Japanese are interested in PS 3 is precisely its compatibility with PS 2 games.

In fact, Sony should speed up the process of solving the compatibility problems as US citizens will be introduced to PlayStation 3 very soon, on the 17th of November.

Nintendo will launch its Nintendo Wii console in the United States on November 19th, and the company hopes to deliver as many as 4 million units by the end of the year.

Unlike Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, Nintendo Wii is the least advanced as far as technology is concerned, but also the cheapest. The price announced for a Nintendo Wii is $250. Besides its price, the other argument Nintendo hopes to seduce customers with is the new controller, designed to resemble a remote-control.

The pre-order campaign that GameStop started last month for Nintendo and PlayStation 3 ended the very day it had begun. Therefore Sony has no reasons to worry yet, because the 400,000 consoles that it will deliver to the US have certainly been bought already. What will happen until the end of the year remains to be seen.

Chris

Save Ferris 11-14-06 11:41 AM

How can they have BC problems?? The damn machine HAS an original PS2 chip inside them, does it not?

The Bus 11-14-06 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by KurrptSenate
I can kind of see your point, considering they are taking 1,000s of pre-orders, collecting interest on that money, and saying "Oh, whoops, sorry. No system for you" and only returning your 100.00

So, should they give you back $100.30?

KurrptSenate 11-14-06 12:28 PM

no, but they should wait for confirmation, or not have you put any money down at all

Binger 11-14-06 12:29 PM

I just spoke to GS and they confirmed that I will get a unit on Friday morning. The guy said that they would like me to come in and pay for it before hand. He had some long excuse about that, but said that if I wanted to pay for it on Friday that was okay. What is that all about?

03euroSVT 11-14-06 12:30 PM

I stopped by Super Target in Mishawaka, IN today and was able to get the number of PS3 consoles they are getting.

Super Target (Mishawaka, IN) on launch day will have 8 - $599 PS3 and 4 - $499 PS3. The launch will be first come first serve. Target will be handing out tickets at either 5:00 am or 7:00 am depending on who I talked to. Once you have the ticket you can leave and come back to pick up your PS3 when they open.

Hope this helps anyone who lives in the area.

Flay 11-14-06 12:50 PM

Huge Decrease of launch consoles for U.S.?


Analyst: 'Battle Royale' To See 150-200k PS3s For Launch?

In his latest interactive entertainment notes, Lazard Capital Markets' Colin Sebastian has made his predictions on the 'battle royale' set to take place this week as the Wii and PS3 see their official US lanches.

Says Sebastian, "This week represents a significant milestone in the interactive entertainment universe," though, he hastens to add, "the significance of the launches for the software publishers is largely symbolic, as the new consoles will not likely be meaningful drivers of software sales until later next year when we expect the installed bases of the PS3 and Wii to reach more critical mass."

Still, "excitement surrounding the hardware launches backed by significant marketing budgets from Microsoft (Xbox 360), Sony (PS3 and PSP) and Nintendo (Wii and DS) – should benefit overall industry trends through the holiday."

On retailers' struggles to secure and supply a continuous flow of hardware, Sebastian adds that Lazard continues to expect shortages for most stores: "Our channel checks with retailers indicate that there is strong interest in both the PS3 and Wii; most stores sold out of pre-orders quickly."

"We expect Sony to deliver 150-200k units to stores in the United States for the launch; consumers without pre-orders may find it difficult to locate an available system. We estimate sales of approximately 750k PS3s domestically by year-end. We expect a more robust launch from Nintendo, with at least 1.2 million units sold in the U.S. and up to four million units shipped worldwide by year-end."

"Due to the limited initial installed base of the platforms, we believe the financial impact over the holiday period will be more significant for hardware manufacturers and video game retailers (such as GameStop) than for software publishers."

In addition to predicting a strong push for Xbox 360 products due to a shortage in PS3 supply, Sebastian also says the newly launched consoles may not have as significant an impact on holiday sales.

He adds: "We expect less than 15% of software sales to come from the PS3 and Wii this holiday; the more numerous Xbox 360, PS2 and handheld platforms (DS and PSP) remain key drivers of growth," though, he predicts, "this fifth major platform transition is likely to be the largest product launch in the industry’s history."

pinata242 11-14-06 12:52 PM


Originally Posted by KurrptSenate
no, but they should wait for confirmation, or not have you put any money down at all

Touchy area. Confirmations should be required, but the deposit is intended to weed out the deadest-beats. I'd sure hate some punk kid coming in ahead of me and putting his name down with no down payment while I have the full amount ready to go and, at launch, he still hasn't got the funds to pay for his and I'm just SOL because I was denied previously. (Holy run-on, Batman!)

I hope that made sense.

ChrisHicks 11-14-06 12:57 PM

I think I'm just going to stay home this Friday and not even bother.

C'mon Sunday, C'MON!!!!

Michael Corvin 11-14-06 01:04 PM


"We expect Sony to deliver 150-200k units to stores in the United States for the launch;
:eek: That is a 50% drop from the initial numbers.

mrpayroll 11-14-06 01:06 PM

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21062


Less than one PS3 game per console sold at launch
Matt Martin 11:05 14/11/2006

Poor tie-in ratio lends more weight to 'grey market' sales theory

Enterbrain, publisher of Famitsu, has revealed the the tie-in ratio of software to PlayStation 3 sales is 0.98 – less than one game per console.

The figure suggests that a portion of the 88,400 units sold were bought with the intention of selling on as part of the 'grey market', the unofficial channel for second hand machines via internet auctions and retail stores, which label the stock as 'used'.

As previously reported, Namco Bandai's Mobile Suit Gundam and Ridge Racer 7 were the top-selling titles, clocking up sales of around 30,000 units each.
Looks like Ebay is the main culprit! ;)


Chris

dgc 11-14-06 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by ChrisHicks
I think I'm just going to stay home this Friday and not even bother.

Good idea, as it may already be too late:

PS3 lines started last week at the Best Buy in Burbank:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khemwGmqRbU

PixyJunket 11-14-06 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
:eek: That is a 50% drop from the initial numbers.

Jeebus. Do I ever need to invoke to "CF" term or is it just a given with every PS3 launch post?

mrpayroll 11-14-06 01:09 PM

And
 
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=21057


Shock in store for gamers over price of PS3 - report

Ellie Gibson 09:07 14/11/2006
Survey says PS2 fans are more loyal than GameCube owners

A new report by analyst Compete has revealed that almost half of US consumers considering the purchase of a PS3 are in for a surprise when it comes to the console's price.

The report, which surveyed active current gen console gamers during the month of October, found that 48 per cent of those thinking about buying a PS3 thought it would cost under US $300.

Almost 60 per cent of respondents in the same category said they thought the cost was too high on being told the real price (US $499 / $599 for the 20GB / 60GB versions). Of all those surveyed, 73 per cent said they think the price is too expensive.

Around 63 per cent of PlayStation 2 owners say they may pick up a PS3 - but the figure is lower for Nintendo's new console, with just 39 per cent of GameCube owners considering a Wii purchase. Almost the same number - 40 per cent - of those who bought a GameCube may buy a PS3 this time around.

Compete calculated the demand for consoles amongst US consumers

using data from online retailers, and found that an average of around 418,000 people show an interest in the Xbox 360 each month. Demand for PS3 exceeded that for Xbox 360 for the first time in September, with the Wii repeating the feat in October. At present, with the North American launch of the console just days away, demand is highest for the PlayStation 3.
How could almost half the people surveyed not know about the actual cost of a PS3? You don't have to be an Internet geek to do a Google News search and find out the actual price!

Chris

mrpayroll 11-14-06 01:10 PM


Originally Posted by dgc
Good idea, as it may already be too late:

PS3 lines started last week at the Best Buy in Burbank:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khemwGmqRbU

I think I'll go by at lunch today and laugh at them. :lol:

Chris

mrpayroll 11-14-06 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
Jeebus. Do I ever need to invoke to "CF" term or is it just a given with every PS3 launch post?

CF = cluster f***?

Chris

GIjon213 11-14-06 01:11 PM


Originally Posted by mrpayroll
I think I'll go by at lunch today and laugh at them. :lol:

Chris

You can't, BB booted them after having them there for four days.


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