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Wildo1966 11-12-06 04:51 PM

The BB flyer stated they will hand out tickets one hour before they open.....

bballing 11-12-06 04:58 PM


Originally Posted by wewantflair
Where'd you read this? This type of practice would surely encourage more people to start going out Wednesday afternoon/night instead of Thursday morning/afternoon.

I was planning on going to BB by Thursday afternoon....think this'll be too late? I've never done this type of thing before.

Read it in the best buy flyer.

Kocheese99 11-12-06 05:06 PM

Went by my Target today and asked about their shipment and they said that they will be getting less PS3's at launch then they got 360's which means it's going to be less than 14 he told me. Also he told me that they won't be letting people camp out because the cops will be kicking everyone out, and that people could start lining up around 5 a.m. on Friday. I don't think i'm gonna bother going to that store now.

Gonna check Best Buy and CC tomorrow or Tuesday.

wewantflair 11-12-06 06:39 PM


Originally Posted by bballing
Read it in the best buy flyer.

Either your local flyer is different, or you read it incorrectly. Our flyers say that they are giving out tickets an hour before opening.

bballing 11-12-06 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by wewantflair
Either your local flyer is different, or you read it incorrectly. Our flyers say that they are giving out tickets an hour before opening.


Mine says they hand out tickets at 11pm, they open at 12 am and close when all ps3's are sold.

wewantflair 11-12-06 08:02 PM

Ahhh, I see you live in Minnesota. That explains it! You guys have all the fun when it comes to Best Buy.

dvd182 11-12-06 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by wewantflair
Ahhh, I see you live in Minnesota. That explains it! You guys have all the fun when it comes to Best Buy.

Even for Minnesota, that flyer only is referring to what will happen at the Richfield store. All of the other stores in MN are doing day-of ticket-giving and selling, no midnight reelase.

PixyJunket 11-13-06 06:54 AM

I was at Wal*Mart Saturday and their PS3 demo was locked up. :(

Save Ferris 11-13-06 07:31 AM


Originally Posted by PixyJunket
I was at Wal*Mart Saturday and their PS3 demo was locked up. :(

not working or locked behind something?

Flay 11-13-06 07:55 AM

So, is anyone getting the $500 model now that we know the HD is so easily replaceable with a much larger drive?

PixyJunket 11-13-06 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by Save Ferris
not working or locked behind something?

Not working.. like the game locked up. And of course, since it was Wal*Mart there wasn't an single employee in the store not behind a register that I could get to reset it. Oh well, I have a Best Buy trip to make this week maybe I can try it there.

PixyJunket 11-13-06 08:47 AM


Originally Posted by Flay
So, is anyone getting the $500 model now that we know the HD is so easily replaceable with a much larger drive?

When (er.. if) I decide to get one that'll be my choice. :)

ChrisHicks 11-13-06 09:05 AM

I had a dream last night. I had a dream in which 400,000 people bought PS3s. in the dream most of the 400,000 people who ignorantly bought these for a huge markup opened up their boxes and removed everything contained inside. in my dream they anxiously hooked everything up and turned it on. after about 5 minutes of on time it happened - the PS3 logged into the mothership and caused a nationwide lockup. no one could get their PS3s to do anything. in my dream they all tried, they pulled plugs, they emailed people, they called anyone who would listen but no one was there. nothing could stop this mass shutdown. it was the end, the end of it all. the world will never be the same. mass hysteria set in. they turned to the streets. people were dying. there were bodies everywhere. then after a moment of reason, they all realized they should have bought a Nintendo.






















no more eating burritos and then going to bed for me. ;)

Flay 11-13-06 09:07 AM

Very In-depth 3-part look at Sony's online service for the PS3: http://www.innerbits.com/blog/2006/1...he-ps3-online/

Here are the sections I found the most interesting:


EDI is not just a place for game developers to regurgitate old titles with slightly retooled graphics, nor just a dumping ground for casual games. It is a honest attempt at creating a space for indie games in the console world. EDI has been quietly working with a number of teams to come out with smaller scale games which would benefit from such an approach (“about 40” exclusive titles). One has to only look as far as David Jaffe’s latest offering to contemplate the possibilities of such a system. Yes, Sony still has a long way to go to fulfill the potential of EDI, but what we’ve seen so far is very promising.

The reality is that the friend’s list support that Sony have provided in their libraries is terrible. From within a game, you are notified when your friends sign on and sign off (with a nice translucent overlay)…and that’s about it. Developers have no way of interfacing with this list in any useful manner. You can’t find out if your friends are watching a movie, surfing the net or playing another game. If you send them an invite, you have to hope they sign on to the same game you’re playing before they’ll even see it. Furthermore, there is currently no functionality to even “accept” the invite. It’s just a message to come join a game; it won’t actually take you to the game. Developers have to deal with that problem themselves.

Currently, there is also no default headset support, no voice support on the PS3. This feature has been a TRC requirement for every online game for the Xbox. Let me rephrase that: since the launch of Xbox Live (over 4 years ago), every online game released had to support voice chat. And of course, Microsoft provided libraries. If developers want to support voice chat on the PS3 right now, they have to implement it themselves.

As a relevant example, SCEA had apparently developed a complete online solution for the PS3 (to put it on par with Xbox Live for multiplayer support, ranking, achievements, etc). Sony Japan reportedly came in and cancelled the whole thing, simply saying, “no, you have to use the libraries we’ve put together”.

The lack of a consistent system to offer multiplayer support will lead to vastly different levels of quality across different games. In comparison, Microsoft has only ever allowed one publisher to handle their own multiplayer service on Xbox Live: EA. And judging by how poorly consumers are responding to EA’s online support, EA is paying a steep price for its arrogant belief that they can always do better.

Schloob1 11-13-06 09:27 AM

When I read Flay's post above, one thought comes to my mind is this is what you get for a FREE service. As they always say, you get what you pay for and in this case it sounds like the possibilities of many headaches.

Deftones 11-13-06 10:19 AM

Wow. That sounds like a cluster-F for online gameplay.

Supermallet 11-13-06 11:07 AM

After reading that, I feel vindicated. For months I've been saying that since Sony's online service is free, users will end up paying for it one way or another. And I was right.

mrpayroll 11-13-06 11:34 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061113/tc_nm/sony_dc_1


Sony sold 88,400 PS3s in Japan in 2 days: publisher
Mon Nov 13, 5:39 AM ET

TOKYO (Reuters) - Sony Corp (NYSE:SNE - news). sold 88,400 units of its PlayStation 3 game console in the first two days after the launch in Japan, leaving most stores without any stock, video game magazine publisher Enterbrain said on Monday.

Sony started selling the latest version of its blockbuster game console in Japan on Saturday, and all indications point to a strong start. Sony plans to have the PS3 on shelves in North America on November 17, followed by a European launch in March.

According to Enterbrain, Sony sold 88,400 units combined on Saturday and Sunday, depleting stocks at most electronics retailers that were able to get their hands on a limited supply of the console.

Sony was able to ship only 100,000 units for the launch after a glitch in blue laser diode production disrupted its output plans.

An official at Enterbrain said the sales figure could be interpreted as a promising start for the PS3, with thousands of game fans queuing for hours at electronics stores in Tokyo over the weekend to be among the first to play PS3 games.

The PS3 is up against Microsoft Corp.'s Xbox 360, which has been on sale for the past year, and Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s upcoming Wii game console, which is scheduled to go on sale on November 19 in the United States and December 2 in Japan.

Enterbrain said that Ridge Racer 7 and Mobile Suit Gundam: Target in Sight, both from Namco Bandai Holdings, were the top two selling games at about 30,000 units each.

The basic model of the PS3, equipped with a 20-gigabyte hard disk drive, sells for 49,980 yen ($425), while a more advanced 60-gigabyte version is retailing for about 60,000 yen.

Of the total sold so far in Japan, Enterbrain said 54,600, or about 62 percent, were of the more advanced model.

So, I wonder if this is a disappointment since this wasn't a total sell out after 2 days?

Chris

mrpayroll 11-13-06 11:54 AM

And more
 
http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/new...hp?story=11667


November 10, 2006

Merrill Lynch Predicts Massive PS3 Losses, Downgrades Sony
The Japanese arm of analyst and financial firm Merrill Lynch has revised down Sony's forecast and cut its target share price, in anticipation of the launch of the company's PlayStation 3 next-gen console.

Japanese news service FISCO has reported that the company's target share prices of Sony has fallen from ¥4,700 to ¥4,000 (from $40.05 down to $34.09). In addition, Merrill Lynch is estimating a multi-billion dollar operating loss for Sony based on its PlayStation 3 launch.

The group has said it expects Sony to lose a total of ¥738.9 billion ($6.3 billion) over the next 5 years based on manufacturing and sales costs of the PlayStation 3, which includes complex elements in both its CPU and optical drive arenas.

It was Merrill Lynch estimates that earlier this year described the console as an “expensive and difficult-to-manufacture product” based on the “problem points” of the the Cell processor and Blu-ray disc drive, and put manufacturing costs of the console at around $800 at launch, falling to $320 over the following three years.

That followed more estimates from the company that suggested the PlayStation 3 would not be launched until late 2006 in Japan and early 2007 in North America. Sony refuted the comments at the time, as it was still aiming for a spring 2006 launch. Though both of these regions will be seeing the launch of the console over the coming week, the European PS3 launch has been delayed into early 2007.

POSTED: 03.17PM PST, 11/10/06 - Brandon Boyer
Chris

DRG 11-13-06 12:12 PM

They had the display up at our Target but it was inactive. I did get to finally handle the new Dual Shock. I like the new trigger-style L2/R2 buttons, and it's the smoothest feeling trigger button I've felt on a first-party controller. I still prefer the 360 controller overall, but this is a nice compromise between that controller and the PS2 dual shock.

LivingINClip 11-13-06 12:13 PM

I'd say it would be a slight dissapointment - due to the fact, everyone counted on it selling out as soon as it hit the streets.

Michael Corvin 11-13-06 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by mrpayroll
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061113/tc_nm/sony_dc_1




So, I wonder if this is a disappointment since this wasn't a total sell out after 2 days?

Chris

Depends on how you look at it. I thought they were only shipping 80,000? So if there were 100,000 like the article says, then there are stll 12,000 still unaccounted for. Pretty dissappointing I would say considering they launched with a quarter of what the 360 did, which sold out in minutes here.

bballing 11-13-06 12:52 PM

I wonder how things will go here in a few days, with everybody wanting to ebay the system.

Anyone think I could pick one up off ebay for under $800 1-2 weeks down the road?

fumanstan 11-13-06 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by DRG
They had the display up at our Target but it was inactive. I did get to finally handle the new Dual Shock. I like the new trigger-style L2/R2 buttons, and it's the smoothest feeling trigger button I've felt on a first-party controller. I still prefer the 360 controller overall, but this is a nice compromise between that controller and the PS2 dual shock.


Same here at the Target I went to. Display up, system off :(

Michael Corvin 11-13-06 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by bballing
I wonder how things will go here in a few days, with everybody wanting to ebay the system.

Anyone think I could pick one up off ebay for under $800 1-2 weeks down the road?

It all depends on how many end up selling vs. how many decide to keep it once it is in their hands. I bet the bulk of them go in the first couple weeks, making prices rise the further we get to Christmas.

ChrisHicks 11-13-06 01:55 PM

so did anyone get in on the "GLITCH" on frys.com? they had a bundle listed and everyone jumped on it and its another "oops, it was a glitch and wasn't supposed to happen." these damn sites are really pissing people off. :mad:

hail2dking 11-13-06 02:06 PM

Anybody else concerned about this:

"Of the total sold so far in Japan, Enterbrain said 54,600, or about 62 percent, were of the more advanced model."


Didn't Sony claim 80% were going to be the $600 model? or is that just in NA?

Lampei 11-13-06 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by ChrisHicks
so did anyone get in on the "GLITCH" on frys.com? they had a bundle listed and everyone jumped on it and its another "oops, it was a glitch and wasn't supposed to happen." these damn sites are really pissing people off. :mad:

Yup, and that they decided to change the price and composition of the bundle from ps3 + 12 games for $1200 to ps3 + 9 games + wireless controller for $1370

Michael Corvin 11-13-06 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by hail2dking
Anybody else concerned about this:

"Of the total sold so far in Japan, Enterbrain said 54,600, or about 62 percent, were of the more advanced model."


Didn't Sony claim 80% were going to be the $600 model? or is that just in NA?

Well if you assume they shipped 100,000 on the nose(from the article above) that leaves 11,600 remaining unsold. If those are all premium, then you get a 75% / 25% ratio, closer to the 80% figure.

I also find it hilarious that all of a sudden with the PS3 launch Sony is using "sold" numbers yet to combat the high DS numbers they use "shipped" numbers.

ChrisHicks 11-13-06 02:46 PM

this may suck for you ebayers if true:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6161580...stnews;title;0

GameStop not getting enough PS3s to fill preorders

Retailer's launch allocations not expected to cover original batch of reservations; employees "asked" to wait until second shipment to buy systems.

By Brendan Sinclair, GameSpot

Posted Nov 13, 2006 8:28 pm GMT

Last month, retailer GameStop began accepting "limited" preorders for the PlayStation 3, asking customers to put down $100 in advance for the system, with a modest expectation of eight units per store in most cases. Now it appears the largest gaming specialty chain in North America won't be receiving even that many systems.

A GameStop representative told GameSpot today that the company received launch allocation numbers from Sony, and that it won't be able to fill its existing PS3 preorders.

"We are beginning to notify our customers that our initial shipment of PS3 systems will not be what we expected," the representative said. "As this is not an ideal situation, we are asking employees to wait to purchase systems until the second shipment. We are anticipating having systems to cover reservations before Christmas."

For launch day, preorders will be filled in the order they were received, and those who had a preorder but are denied a system on day one will receive something for their troubles. GameStop will give those unfortunate customers (as well as unfortunate employees) a free used game or DVD valued at $19.99 or less when they eventually wind up purchasing the system.

Those who reserved a system won't need to wait long to find out if they can expect a system on launch day. Starting tomorrow, customers who preordered a PS3 will be contacted personally by phone and updated on the status of their reservation, the rep said.

And while it might be a non-issue considering the clamor for consumers to get their hands on the coveted systems, GameStop is also asking anyone with a confirmed preorder to pick their systems up by Saturday evening.

PixyJunket 11-13-06 02:50 PM

I'd really like to know how the Blu-Ray player stacks up compared to a stand-alone.

I'd personally like to go HD-DVD.. but if I was to get a new game system it'd have to be PS3 over Xbox 360 1,000 to 1. And now that I think about it.. the PS3 Lite is $100 cheaper than the Xbox 360 + HD-DVD drive.

pinata242 11-13-06 02:51 PM

Wow, I'd be so pissed off if I was an employee and I was told my money wasn't good enough for my employer.

Michael Corvin 11-13-06 03:05 PM

:( I'm last on the list at my Gamestop. Sounds like I will be getting a call tomorrow.

hail2dking 11-13-06 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Michael Corvin
Well if you assume they shipped 100,000 on the nose(from the article above) that leaves 11,600 remaining unsold. If those are all premium, then you get a 75% / 25% ratio, closer to the 80% figure.

I also find it hilarious that all of a sudden with the PS3 launch Sony is using "sold" numbers yet to combat the high DS numbers they use "shipped" numbers.

True, but if those 11,600 are basic...then you are looking at 55%/45%.

Flay 11-13-06 03:23 PM

I'm all about posting articles on Sony online today. :)

http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/745/745425p1.html


US, November 12, 2006 - With the PlayStation 3, Sony has at last brought a unified online experience to the PlayStation platform, with a single login, friend list, and shopping point common to most games. While we already detailed the online gameplay experience through Ridge Racer 7 (be sure and check out our Ridge media page for some burning online gameplay videos), we're sure you're concerned about how smoothly the PlayStation Store experience is, especially since you'll likely be spending lots of cash on game and item downloads once (most likely far, far in the future) you've gotten hold of your own system.

You've seen all the attractive screens showing the gorgeous interface that looks like a clear step up from Microsoft's Xbox 360 marketplace interface. The PlayStation Store is indeed easy on the eyes, especially if you've got a high-def television. Sony picked an attractive color theme and font set, making the store look professional (warning: this could be a trick to make you spend more money on useless Genji items!).

In addition to just looking nice, the layout of the shop is easy to understand. The main shopping window is on the left side of the screen. In its current form, it's split into four sections: new games, containing downloads of game demos and full games; game archives, containing downloads of classic titles; add-on items, consisting of micro-transaction items for games; and video, consisting of game and movie trailers. To the right of the shopping window is a what's-new section, which lists recently added content, and a focus section, which highlights a single piece of content.

There isn't really much to access under these headings at this point. At the time of publication, the PlayStation Store had the following items:

New Games
Mainichi Issho (free)
Ridge Racer 7 Demo (free)
Blast Factor Demo (free)
Blast Factor (840 yen)

Game Archives
Nothing available yet

Bonus Items
Genji item (free)

Video
Gran Turismo HD TGS trailer (free)
Afrika TGS trailer (free)
Genji movie (free)
007 Casino Royal movie trailer (free)
Open Season movie trailer (free)
Blu-ray disc trailers (free)

The game archives will probably be empty until later this month, when Sony adds the first PlayStation downloads for the PSP. Also, the Blu-ray disc trailers item is actually a folder which houses six downloadable Blu-ray disc trailers.

Click on an item, and you're taken to a full screen view detailing the content and pricing information. This screen gives a detailed description of what exactly it is that you're downloading, along with compatible resolutions, space required for the download and for saving (if you're downloading a game) and any warning messages.

In the case of free content, this screen houses a download button. Click on this, and after selecting the location for your download, the download starts up immediately. Alas, our worst fears (second only to the threat of nuclear annihilation from North Korea) have been realized: the PS3, like the early Xbox 360, can't multitask downloads. You're stuck waiting for the download to finish before you can take control of your system. Thankfully, the network was pretty fast for the few downloads we made, with a 200 megabyte download taking less than a minute. For game content, the PS3 also goes through an automatic installation process which takes just a few seconds. Still, we hope a download list is on the cards for the next firmware update.

If you're dealing with paid content, the download button is replaced with a button for placing the content in your shopping cart. Click on it, and you're taken to your shopping cart screen, which lists all the items you have in your cart, the total bill, and the amount of money you'll have remaining in your wallet following purchase. You can continue shopping, or proceed to checkout from here.

We tested out the paid shopping experience with the single paid item currently in the PlayStation Store, Blast Factor. Following the shopping cart screen, we attempted to purchase the item, but the shop warned that the IGN wallet was empty and asked if we'd like to add charge. Currently, charging can be achieved exclusively through credit card, and it has to be a Japanese credit card at that. Other options, including gift certificate and pre-paid card code entry, will presumably be added when such products are available for purchase.

The overall flow of the shopping experience at the PlayStation Store is smooth. There's some concern that the interface won't be able to cope with the oceans of content that will become available throughout the system's life. However, a flexible folder structure for the main shopping screen should ensure that Sony will be able to organize its content in various ways.

One of the nice things about the PlayStation Store, at least for those worried about overspending, is that it sends e-mails to you whenever you download anything. Following your download, you get a receipt sent to the e-mail that you specified when registering your PlayStation Network account. The receipt lists the items that you purchased, the purchase amount, and the amount of money remaining in your wallet. Of course, you can also keep track of all this via an option on the cross media bar that keeps track of your purchase history.

Despite smooth process to checkout, the PlayStation Store interface does have some big problems at this point. Most prominent is its unresponsiveness. Every button press makes the interface pause for a brief moment as it loads up new header images. Moving between the few items currently available was annoying enough; we can't imagine what will happen when the content starts filling up.

The store, which runs as a webpage using the PS3's web browser, seems more optimized at this point for the mouse than for controller use, something that will cause a problem for most PS3 owners. It's true that the analogue stick can be used to move a pointer around like a mouse, but this works as poorly as it has in previous console-based browsers. Your best bet for navigation is to use the d-pad, but with the current shopping interface, this occasionally requires scrolling through text descriptions, and guessing at which button you should push due to icons not lining up correctly.

A few other issues seem like mere oversights rather than problematic design decisions. The shop currently doesn't mark which items you've already downloaded. We kept on downloading the same Blast Factor demo over and over again. At least the store was smart enough to overwrite the original demo rather than creating multiple copies.

We've posted a video of the PlayStation Store in action. Unfortunately, we had to reduce the output resolution of the PS3 to standard def in order to capture the video. The store's content is easier to access when viewed in at least 720p, so keep in mind that you're not getting a look at the optimized shopping experience that you'll have if you have a high def television.

ChrisHicks 11-13-06 03:24 PM

anyone want to take a guess at how many robberies/deaths now? you know some of those scalpers will have to have them no matter what.

Kicker_of_Elves 11-13-06 03:29 PM

Just found out my Wal-mart is only getting 10 PS3's and they haven't even gotten em in yet. :wacko:

Daryl 11-13-06 03:33 PM


Originally Posted by ChrisHicks
For launch day, preorders will be filled in the order they were received, and those who had a preorder but are denied a system on day one will receive something for their troubles. GameStop will give those unfortunate customers (as well as unfortunate employees) a free used game or DVD valued at $19.99 or less when they eventually wind up purchasing the system.

go in expecting to buy your PS3, come out with a free used copy of Wedding Crashers on DVD

Michael Corvin 11-13-06 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Daryl
go in expecting to buy your PS3, come out with a free used copy of Wedding Crashers on DVD

Read closer. You can't get anything free until you come back and actually buy the system.

Daryl 11-13-06 04:14 PM

That's BS - it should be: "a free PS3 game when you eventually buy the system". After all, they did take $100 down as a deposit.


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