Canis Firebrand

You and me both.

ryuryu2949

Ok, time to defend my matchup:

1. cleaver vs ryuryu2949

cleaver
1. Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time - Nintendo 64
2. Final Fantasy III - SNES
3. Legend of Zelda - NES
4. God of War - PS2
5. Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas - PS2
6. Metroid Prime 2 - Gamecube
7. Herzog Zwei - Genesis
8. Forza Motorsport - XBox
9. Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo - Playstation
10. Soul Calibur 2 - XBox

ryuryu2949
1. GoldenEye 007 - Nintendo 64
2. Tecmo Super Bowl - NES
3. Tetris (Tengen) - NES
4. NHL '94 - Genesis
5. Grand Theft Auto: Vice City - PS2
6. Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy's Kong Quest - SNES
7. Tekken 5 - PS2
8. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles IV: Turtles in Time - SNES
9. Wonder Boy III: The Dragon's Trap - Master System
10. Phantasy Star - Master System

- First, let us look at which games matchup. We both have GTA games--while San Andreas is a bigger game, Vice City just is more fun and was more revolutionary. And you gotta love the 80s style Miami Vice theme. So at worst that is a push, and likely leans in favor of me.

- Next, Tekken 5 is just a better game than Soul Calibur 2. Tekken 5 was ranked a 9.2 on gamespot; Soul Calibur 2 only got a 8.5. Besides, Tekken 5 really advances the series, while Soul Calibur was definitely a step down from the original.

- As for puzzle games, although I love Super Puzzle Fighter, how can you top Tetris? I think I have the edge there.

- I have never played God of War, Herzog Zwei, or Forza Motorsport (haven't even heard of that last one), so I won't really comment.

- Ok, so where the heck are Cleaver's sports games? Geez, sports games are such an important genre. I guess he just couldn't leave off that second Zelda game...

- Also missing from Cleaver's list is a great multiplayer game. I have two: Goldeneye and TMNT 4.

- Where Cleaver does have me beat is in RPGs. Phantasy Star is a great game and a pioneer in the genre, but I cannot deny FFIII (or the brilliance of Zelda if you count that as an RPG). But that really is the only category that he has an edge on me.

So why is he winning by so many votes??? Please tell me it is not because everyone is hating on the SMS!?!

ryuryu2949

By the way, my winners are:

1- ryuryu2949 (see the post above)
2- djlongfellow (Mario Kart AND Mike Tyson? sold.)

cleaver

Herzog Zwei and Super Puzzle Fighter are my favorite multiplayer games ever.

And my new avatar is sweet!

ryuryu2949

I know this is true for Puzzle Fighter, and I suspect it is true for Herzog, but neither game supports more than 2 people playing at a time. You could play with 4 people for both Goldeneye and TMNT. Multiplayer = at least 3 people.

gimmepilotwings

Well, I look at just about every game on Cleaver's list and I nod my head. You list leaves a bit to be desired IMO. No real RPG, The sports games that you chose, I think that you reached for and could have drafted them later. SC2 was better than Tekken 5. Soul Caliber 1 was so good, they needed a miracle to top it.

As for the SMS, I'd say less than 5% of the people here had one, so they never played the games. I didn't own one, but I played Wonder boy. It is almost like Cleaver got extra picks because of these games that most people didn't own.

ryuryu2949

Oh no you didn't just say that about Phantasy Star........

Canis Firebrand

When this is done, I'd love to hear some reasonings. I'm still a little shocked I exited after the first round.

rainmaker vs Vryce

Rainmaker
1. Final Fantasy II - SNES
2. Super Smash Bros. - Nintendo 64
3. Tetris - Gameboy
4. Phantasy Star II - Genesis
5. Marvel vs. Capcom 2 - Dreamcast
6. Mega Man 2 - NES
7. Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker - GameCube
8. RC Pro Am - NES
9. Actraiser - SNES
10. Radiant Silvergun - Sega Saturn

Vryce
1. Final Fantasy VII - Playstation
2. Chu Chu Rocket - Dreamcast
3. Secret of Mana - SNES
4. Metroid - NES
5. Paper Mario - Nintendo 64
6. Pitfall - Atari 2600
7. Jade Empire - XBox
8. SOCOM: U.S. Navy SEALs - PS2
9. Mario Cart Double Dash - GameCube
10. Fable - XBox

Let's compare, ala ryuryu style.

We both had a Final Fantasy game. So its II vs VII. Both were important in the RPG history of the series, but I have to believe that VII weighs more as it bought a lot more new blood into playing the games. If VII hadn't been as big of a success, I think the FF series would have suffered more and who knows what direction it might have taken, if it continued long. Advantage - Me

We both had a puzzle game, albeit a different type. Tetris vs Chu Chu Rocket. While I can't deny the fun Chu Chu rocket brings, Tetris was huge. As someone else said, its repetitive and boring after a while. But huge none the less. Advantage - Rainmaker

I've never played or heard of RC Pro Am, Actraiser - SNES, Radiant Silvergun - Sega Saturn. If I had to guess, I'd say that RC is a racing type game. The other two being action types or possibley RPG?

My list had Secret of Mana which I think tops Phantasy Star.

I also had Metroid and Pitfall, two classic gems.

Where I did think my list was a little lacking, Socom, Fable and Jade Empire. I thought my list was stronger due to casual familiarity. I suffered because I read people voting against me because I had new gen consoles on my list and they didn't play any new gen games I think everyone had at least one new gen game. And then one person voting againt me based on a hatred of one game, FF VII.

DJ_Longfellow

Debating gets you no where....I tried to reason this round, and got nothing.
I still cannot see why I'm losing this round.

Canis Firebrand

I dunno.. I think your line up is stronger DJ.

DJ_Longfellow

Why don't you vote then? I don't think you did yet

Canis Firebrand

I was kind of soured on the whole thing. I guess I can toss in my votes.

My Picks:

1. cleaver
2. DJ_Longfellow

gimmepilotwings

I should have been more specific. I played and enjoyed PSO for the dreamcast. However, when I said no RPG's, what I should have said was no RPG's that the majority of people have played.

cleaver

1. cleaver
2. DJ_Longfellow

cleaver

Right now I've got
cleaver up 14-7 on ryuryu2949
msdmoney up 11-10 on DJ_Longfellow

DJ_Longfellow

One more vote...come on people!

cleaver

Voting closed, I play msdmoney in the finals

maxfisher

Of the 20 games on the two lists, I love Mega Man 2, Wind Waker, RC Pro Am, Actraiser, and Metroid. I really like Tetris and Pitfall. I kind of like Super Smash Bros., Secret of Mana, SOCOM and Double Dash. That was my reasoning.


I've tried a handful of Final Fantasy games and never found them to be my cup of tea, so this didn't factor in at all.

I've never played Chu Chu Rocket, whereas I've killed way too many hours on Tetris.

RC Pro Am was a classic that I played the hell out of as a kid. Actraiser is a game I hadn't thought about in years, but played an obscene amount of time in early high school.

Agreed, those were your two strongest games in my eyes.