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PlayStation 3
Official Specs :: F.A.Q. :: Games :: Links

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1. Keep all posts on topic.
2. Do not post comparisions between consoles, we already have a thread for that.
3. No recycled criticisms; we've heard them before, no reason to hear them again.
4. If you are posting a rumor, please label it as such.
5. Follow all rules as set up by Gallent Pig in this thread.

This is a work in progress, so if you have any new information, please post it so I can update these top posts. I would like to have the same success as we have in the PSP thread, except with all information at the beginning so newcomers won't have to dig for information.

If you have any questions I didn't not answer in the FAQ, please post.

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Official Specs

System

Product name: PlayStation 3

CPU

Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 218 GFLOPS

GPU

RSX @550MHz
1.8 TFLOPS floating point performance
Full HD (up to 1080p) x 2 channels
Multi-way programmable parallel floating point shader pipelines

Sound

Dolby 5.1ch, DTS, LPCM, etc. (Cell- base processing)

Memory

256MB XDR Main RAM @3.2GHz
256MB GDDR3 VRAM @700MHz

System Bandwidth

Main RAM 25.6GB/s
VRAM 22.4GB/s
RSX 20GB/s (write) + 15GB/s (read)
SB< 2.5GB/s (write) + 2.5GB/s (read)

System Floating Point Performance

2 TFLOPS

Storage

Detachable 2.5" HDD slot x 1

I/O

USB Front x 4, Rear x 2 (USB2.0)
Memory Stick standard/Duo, PRO x 1
SD standard/mini x 1
CompactFlash (Type I, II) x 1

Communication

Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T) x 3 (input x 1 + output x 2)
Wi-Fi IEEE 802.11 b/g
Bluetooth 2.0 (EDR)

Controller

Bluetooth (up to 7)
USB 2.0 (wired)
Wi-Fi (PSP)
Network (over IP)

AV Output

Screen size: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p
HDMI: HDMI out x 2
Analog: AV MULTI OUT x 1
Digital audio: DIGITAL OUT (OPTICAL) x 1

Disc Media

CD PlayStation CD-ROM, PlayStation 2 CD-ROM, CD-DA, CD-DA (ROM), CD-R, CD-RW, SACD, SACD Hybrid (CD layer), SACD HD, DualDisc, DualDisc (audio side), DualDisc (DVD side)

DVD: PlayStation 2 DVD-ROM, PlayStation 3 DVD-ROM, DVD-Video, DVD-ROM, DVD-R, DVD-RW, DVD+R, DVD+RW

Blu-ray Disc: PlayStation 3 BD-ROM, BD-Video, BD-ROM, BD-R, BD-RE

RSX

Code:
RSX                           Vertex Shader                 Pixel Shader
---                           -------------                 ------------
ALU                                 8                            24
?                           Vector 4 + Scalar           2xVector 4 + Scalar 
                                                              + Norm
Vector                        4 MAD/8 Flops                      -
Scalar                           2 flops                         -
Instructions/ALU                    2                             5
Operations/ALU                      5                            10
Flops/ALU                          10                            27
Instructions/clock                 16                           120
Operations/clock                   40                           240
Flops/clock                        80                           648
Clockspeed                       550MHz                        550MHz
Instructions/second               8.8B                          66B
Operations/second                  22B                         132B
Flops/second                       44B                        356.4B
Bilinear Filtered                   -                           24
       Textures/clock
Bilinear Pixel Fill Rate            -                          13.2B
Texture Bandwidth                   -                        47.4GB/s

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F.A.Q.

Hardware

What does it look like?


Horizontal
Back
Vertical
Top

What do the Dev Kits look like?
Alpha
Beta
Final

What colors are available?
White, Silver, and Black

Does it sit vertical or horizontal?
Like the PS2, the PS3 can be placed in both the horizontal and vertical positions.

What size is it?
There are no released specs on the size of the console. Those in attendance at E3 estimate it to be one inch shorter and a few inches deeper than the PS2. Other sources tell us the machine is roughly 320mm x 240mm x 80mm (PS2 was 301mm x 182mm x 78mm).

What is the release date?
Spring 2006

How much will it cost?
Inside sources have revealed that the current plan is to release the console at a price less than 40,000 Yen. This is consistant with the PS2 and PS1 release price of 39,800 Yen. Ken Kutaragi is noted in saying that the PS3 will be "very expensive". It is also important to note that he said similar things about the PS2 before announcing its price.

Recently, Sony CEO Howard Stringer confirmed that the PS3 will launch in the US at a price between $300 and $400 - no doubt waiting to see how well the 360 does at the higher price point.

Why only 7 cells?
The processor has 8 cells, with only 7 cells available to programers. This decision was made in order to increase the production yield of the Cell. The complexity of the processor means that producing a perfect processor (with no defects) is even harder than usual. In order to increase the amount of chips they can use, they will use processors with 7 or 8 usual cells (with the processor using a maximum of 7 cells). All processors with less than 7 cells will not be used in the PS3.

What will the Cells be used for?
The Cells will be used for specialized process. Some mentioned to be used are physics, animation updates, particle systems, and sound. This will leave general high level coding dedicated to the main processor (PPE).

Why not just use more general purpose processors?
As specialized processors, Cells can process data much faster than a general purpose processor can.

Is the Cell easy to program for?
The Cell is an open source chip, meaning that developers big and small have access to the inner workings of the chip. Sony has also provided developers with strong libraries and middleware (like Unreal 3 Engine) to ease development.

What kind of middleware will Sony provide to developers?
Sony has signed deals to provide the Unreal Engine 3.0 from Epic, the Havok Engine, a physics engine from AGEIA, and has acquired SN Systems to provide system development tools. Sony will provide developers with all these tools, making up some of the most powerful tools in the industry.

Only 256MB of system memory?
There is 256MB designed specifically for processor use and 256MB designed specifically for GPU use. Both the processor and the GPU can access all 512MB depending on allocation.

What is the GPU?
The graphics processing unit (GPU) is the RSX which is being designed by nVidia and will be produced by Sony. The current top-of-the-line nVidia processor is the 7800 GTX. The RSX will be slightly faster than the 7800 GTX.

Is the RSX going to just be a 7800GTX?
No. The RSX will be more powerful than the 7800GTX, and could even be a totally different chip. You can see what it currently looks like here.

Why 3 ethernet ports?
There is one input and two outputs. The input is to connect an Internet connection. The outputs are to link two PS3s together, or to connect to other Cell devices.

Can I use it as my router?
This function dropped during the early planning stages in order to cut costs.

Will it support WiFi out of the box?
PS3 will support 108.11 B/G out of the box.

Controllers

What does it look like?


Is that really what it is going to look like?
The current design is in the concept stage of developement. It has been stated that the final design may differ from the concept, but only slightly. A good example would be the concept PSP compared to the current PSP design.

Can I still use my DualShock Controllers?
A DualShock was being used to control the Fight Night 3 demo at E3. It is assumed that you will be able to connect up to 4 DualShock controllers via USB adapter.

Is that controller wireless?
The controller uses Bluetooth wireless technology.

How many controllers can I connect at once?
You can connect up to 7 controllers wirelessly.

Why 7?
Bluetooth has a capacity for 1 master and 7 slaves. Those seven slaves can be controllers or other wireless controllers like a keyboard or mouse.

I love me some cables. Can I connect controller that way?
The system will support up to 4 controllers connected via the USB ports on the front of the machine.

How long will the batteries last in the controller?
The current goal is 24 hours of continuous gameplay.

Well... what if I need more than 7 controllers?
You will be able to connect controllers to the USB ports and use them at the same time as the wireless Bluetooth controllers. With the addition of the PSP as a controller over WiFi, that will give you a total of 14 available controllers, if a game actually calls for such envolvement.

Can I use my PSP as a controller?
The PSP can be used as a controller on PS3, either locally or remotely over IP.

Storage

What type of media will games come on?
Games will come on Blu-Ray and DVD, depending on the size required by the developer.

What is Blu-Ray?
Current DVD technology uses red lasers and has a maximum of 4.6GB per layer. Blu-Ray uses blue lasers and has a maximum of 25GB per layer. They are physically identical in size.

Do we really need Blu-Ray?
For larger games, developers use compression to fit everything on a single disc. This requires the machine to decompress the data before it can use it. Blu-Ray will remove this need as well as increase possibilities for ingame and extra material. Also, games like GT4 use the entire 2-layer disc. If these games are to get larger, they will need more disc space.

Can the PS3 support the 100GB Blu-Ray disc?
Current specs only call for two layer support (50GB) as the larger disc are still in development stages and are planned for mass storage use only.

What speed will Blu-Ray data transfer at?
36Mbps. PS3 is expected to have a 2X Drive, meaning a top transfer rate of 72Mbps.

Is there a hard drive?
There is slot for a removable 2.5" hard drive, but it has not been decided if a hard drive will be included with the system or not. Current information points to the realization that Sony will most likely not include a hard drive with the system (this has been further supported by Microsofts lack of hard drive as a standard). It has been rumored that the hard drive will come as part of an online pack. Kutaragi mentioned that the standard PS3 HDD will be most likely 80GB. No price point was mentioned.

Will anything come on the hard drive?
The hard drive may come pre-loaded with a version of Linux for the PS3.

Does it support any other Operating System?
Sony has confirmed that PS3 will support any Operation System that is ported to it.

What type of memory cards will it support?
PS3 supports Memory Sticks, SD, and Compact Flash memory cards. These can be used in the same manner as a hard drive to store large amounts of media. There will presumably be a USB adapter to accept both PS1 and PS2 memory cards.

Backwards Compatability

Can I play my PS2 games on PS3?
You will be able to play both PS2 and PS1 games on PS3.

How does it work?
PS3 does not use emulation. The chips necessary to run PS2 and PS1 games are built into the PS3.

PSP Compatability

How does the PSP fit into all of this?
The PSP can be used to connect to the PS3 locally via WiFi or remotely via IP to control certain aspects of the PSP. The possibilities include sharing saved game data, using the PSP as a controller for the PS3, or playing content from your PS3 on your PSP (nothing has been confirmed).

What do you mean "playing content"?
As can been seen in this patent filed at the United States Patent Office, Sony has some ideas about allowing users to play games or other content off their PS3 using a PSP, either locally over WiFi or remotely over IP. It has not been cofirmed.

Video

What resolutions will it support?
480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p

What is this thing about two HDTVs?
The PS3 comes with two HDMI outputs, meaning that you can either set up two HDTVs next to each other to make a 32:9 screen, or use one for gaming and the other for chatting or another task.

What if I don't have an HDTV?
The PS3 will also support normal composite, component, and S-video outputs.

What is the standard encoding for PS3?
The standard encoding will be MPEG-4 H.264, the exact same video encoding used by PSP and Apple Quicktime.

Online

Will there be an online service?
Sony announced that they will start the 'PlayStation Network' which will be a centralized server for all online activity (similar to Xbox Live). There were no mentions of what features would be included in this service.

How much will it cost?
No price was given, but it was mentioned that microtransactions (or pay to play fees) were more accepted in the United States than a subscription fee. It is yet to be seen if this the overall direction Sony takes with its online servce.

Can I surf the Internet?
The PS3 will more likely than not have software to make it a web browser. SCEA President Kirai mentioned that the software may be bundled with the machine depending on consumer demand for it.

Other

Will there be a new EyeToy?
There will be a new EyeToy developed for the PS3. It is rumored that it will make use of Bluetooth wireless connection and be HD compatable.

Can I connect a keyboard and mouse?
You will be able to connect a standard USB keyboard and mouse to the PS3.

What about LocationFree TV?
LocationFree TV is a way to broadcast movies, music, and photos from your TV to a remote device. With the latest firmware update for PSP, they included software to make it a LocationFree device - meaning it can play media from a LocationFree base that is attached to your home theater. It is expected that the PS3 will be able to act as a base, thus allowing you to watch movies, stream music, and view photos directly from your PS3 on a PSP anywhere in the world.

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Games

2 Days to Vegas
Screens :: Video

Alan Wake
Screens :: Video

Armored Core 4
Screens :: Video

Bladestorm: The 100 Year War
Video

Dark Sector
Video

Devil May Cry 4
Screens :: Video

Endless Saga
Screens :: Video

Eyedentify
Screens :: Video

Fatal Inertia
Screens :: Video

Fifth Phantom Saga
Screens :: Video

Fight Night: Round 3
Screens :: Video

Formula One
Screens :: Video

Genji 2
Screens :: Video
Confirmed Launch Title


Heavenly Sword
Screens :: Video

I-8
Screens :: Video

Killing Day
Screens :: Video

Killzone 3
Screens :: Video

Lair
Screens :: Video
Current Launch Title


Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots
Screens :: Video

Metronome
Screens :: Video

Mobile Suit Gundam
Screens :: Video

Motorstorm
Screens :: Video

Ni-Oh
Screens :: Video

Possession
Screens :: Video

Project Assassin
Screens

Project Delta
Screens

Project IM
Screens :: Video

Project Offset
Screens :: Video

Resident Evil 5
Screens :: Video

Shadowclan
Screens :: Video

Sonic the Hedgehog
Screens :: Video

Strangehold
Screens :: Video
Current Launch Title


Tekken
Screens :: Video

The Darkness
Screens :: Video

The Embrass of Time
Screens

The Getaway
Screens :: Video

The Outsider
Screens

Thesis
Screens :: Video

Tom Clancy's Splinter Cell
Screens

Unreal Tournament 2007
Screens :: Video
Current Launch Title


Vision GT
Screens :: Video
Confirmed Launch Title


WarDevil
Screens :: Video

Warhawk
Screens :: Video
Current Launch Title



Other games confirmed/rumored to be in development for PS3 (*confirmed):

211
6Gun II*
ActiveDogs*
Akari P.J.*
Alone in the Dark*
Angel Rings*
Avalon*
BB*
Battle Angel Alita
Black Blade*
Bomberman*
Brothers in Arms 3*
Castlevania
Data-Fly
Def Jam 3
Derby Stallion*
Dirty Harry
Driver 5*
FIA World Touring Car Championship
Fatal Frame
Fear and Respect
Final Fantasy*
Free Radical Project
Future GPX Cyber Formula*
Goodnavigate Mystery Adventure*
Gradius*
Hackberry Pachinko Simulator*
Hot Shots Golf 5* (Confirmed Launch Title)
Indiana Jones
Infraworld*
Jikkyou Pawafuru Puro Yakyuu*
King of Fighers Maximum Impact 3*
LA Noire*
Little House in the Plateau
Madagascar 2
Mahjong Tournament*
Mahjong-oh*
Makai Wars*
Martial Arts*
Master P.J.*
Mech-based Action Game*
Metal of Honor: Airborne
Media Mix Anime Game*
Monster Carnival* (Confirmed Launch Title)
Naxat Plan*
Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Pro-Mahjong Kiwame Final*
Project D*
Project New Jersey
Project Psychic*
Psychopath
Rengoku: The End of the Century*
Returning Alive
Saikyou Ginsei Shogi*
Section 8
Sekai Saikyou Ginsei Igo*
Shin Megami Tensei*
Shinten Makai VI*
Shogi World Champion*
Silent Hill 5
Slotter Mania*
Soulcalibur
Spider-man 3*
Stuntman*
Sunrise Eiyuutan*
Super Robot*
TMNT 2007
The Aquanaut's Holiday*
The Eye of Judgement* (Confirmed Launch Title)
The Simpsons
Tracer
Train Simulator Online*
Turok
Value 2000 Igo*
Value 2000 Shogi*
Valkyrie Profile
Vampire's Rain
Way of the Samurai 3*
Winning Eleven
Xtreme*
Yamasa DigiWorld DX*


Untitled Games from PS3 Developers

AQ Interactive Title
Capcom Action Title
Cavia Action-RPG Title
CyberFront Puzzle Title
CyberFront Simulation Title #1
CyberFront Simulation Title #2
DC Comics MMORPG
Dice Project #1*
Dice Sweden Project
Datam Adventure Title
ESP Action Title
Eidos Action Title
Ertain Action Title
Genki Racing Title
Genki Samurai Action Title
Global A Action Title
Global A Simulation Title
Gust RPG Title
Hamster Management Simulation
Hudson Soft RPG Title
Interchannel Adventure
Irem Action Title
Koei Guan Yu Title
Konami Action Title
Konami RPG Title
Marionette War Simulation
Marvelous Action Title
Media Works Adventure Title
Namco RPG Title
Namco Shooter Title
Namco Sports Title
Now Production Action Title
Page 44 Studios Hockey Title
Rockstar Old West Title
SCE London Title
Spark Unlimited Title
Stuntman
Success RPG Title
Sunsoft Simulation Title
Tecmo Action Title
Tecmo Adventure Title
Yuke Wrestling Title


TGS 2005 Confirmed List

Acquire
New historical action game, action adventure

Arc System Works
BB (tentative name), next-generation fighting game tool

Artdink
Bipedal Movement Simulation, Simulation
Aquanote no Kyujitsu: Inner Mind Adventure, Inner Mind adventure

Astroll
Seikan (tentative name), survival

Atari
Alone in the Dark sequel, action adventure
Stuntman (working title), driving action
Driver 5 (working title), driving action

Athena
Pro Mahjong Final (tentative name), mahjong

Atlus
Shin Megami Tensei series, RPG

Bandai
Anime related project, TBA
Mobile Suit Gundam (tentative name), action
Unnamed robot action game, action

Banpresto
Super Robot series, TBA

Capcom
action game, action
Devil May Cry 4, stylish action
Biohazard 5, survival horror

Cavia
Unnamed action RPG, action RPG

CyberFront
simulation game A, growth simulation
simulation game B, management simulation
puzzle game, puzzle action

D3 Publisher
Dark Sector, shooting action
Fighting action game, fighting action

Datam Polystar
Unnamed adventure game, adventure

Digital Gain
Naxat Plan (tentative name), adventure

Dorasu
Slotter Mania series, Pachinko

Eidos
Unnamed action game, action

Electronic Arts
Fight Night (tentative name), sports

Enterbrain
Derby Stallion (tentative name), breeding

Entertainment Software Publishing
Unnamed action game, action
Ertain
TBA, action

From Software
Armored Core 4, 3D mech action
Dark RPG (tentative name), RPG
Black Blade (tentative name), action

Genki
Japanese sword fighting series, action
Racing game series, racing game

Global A. Entertainment
Comical history action, action
Comical history stimulation, simulation

GoodNavigate
Mystery adventure game, adventure

Gust
Unnamed role playing game, RPG

Hackberry
Pachinko Jikki simulation series, Pachinko

Hamster
Management simulation, simulation

Hudson
Unnamed RPG, RPG
Bomberman, action
Rengoku: The End of the Century, sci-fi action RPG

Idea Factory
Shin Ten Makai VI (tentative name), Simulation RPG

Interchannel
Unnamed love adventure game, adventure

Irem Software Engineering
Action-adventure game, action adventure

Koei
Blade Storm: Hundred Years War, action
Fatal Inertia, racing
Ni-Oh, action
Mahjong Taikai (tentative name), table

Konami
Gradius series, shooting
Unnamed soccer game, soccer
Jikkyou Powerful Pro Baseball series, sports
Unnamed action game, action
Unnamed role playing game, RPG
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots, tactical espionage action

MTO
ActiveDogs (tentative name), action sports

Magnolia
Value 2000 Igo, table
Value 2000 Shougi, table
Saikyou Ginsei Shougi 7, table
Saikyou Ginsei Igo 7, table

Mainichi Communications
Shougi World Champion Gekisashi (tentative name), table

Marionette
War simulation game, simulation

Marvelous Interactive
Unnamed action game, action

Mediaworks
Unnamed adventure game, adventure

Michaelsoft
Project D, RPG

Namco
Unnamed RPG, RPG
Tekken, fighting
Time Crisis, shooting
Unnamed sports game, sports

Nippon-ichi Software
Makai Wars (tentative name), RPG

Now Production
Unnamed action game, action

Ongakukan
Train Simulator Online (tentative name), train simulation

SNK Playmore
King of Fighters: Maximum Impact 3 (tentative name), 3D fighting

Sega
Fifth Phantom Saga, action shooting
Sonic the Hedgehog, action

Sony Computer Entertainment
Angel Rings (tentative name), RPG
Gran Turismo series, TBA
Genji 2 (tentative name), action
The Eye of Judgment (tentative name), TBA
Minna no Golf 5 (tentative name), sports
Monster Carnival (tentative name), action RPG

Spike
Way of the Samurai 3 (tentative name), action adventure

Square Enix
Final Fantasy series, TBA

Success
Hitsuji Mura (tentative name), simulation
RPG, RPG

Sun Denshi
Unnamed simulation game, simulation

Sunrise Interactive
Sunrise Eiyuutan series, 3D simulation RPG
Shinseiki GPX Cyber Formula series, 3D racing

Taito
Extreme (tentative name), action
Project Psychic (tentative name), action

Takuyo Kyougyou
AKARI Project (tentative name), simulation
MASTER Project (tentative name), action RPG

Tecmo
Action game, action
Action-adventure game, action

Ubisoft
Killing Day (Japanese title: Assassin), action adventure
Brothers in Arms 3 (tentative name), FPS

Warashi
Mahjong Oh, Mahjong

Yamasa Entertainment
Yamasa Digi World DX (tentative name), Pachinko

Yuke's
Pro wrestling game, pro wrestling


Incompatible Games

This list is based on speculation only. A true list will be generated closer to launch.

PlayStation
102 Dalmatians: Puppies to the Rescue
Akuji: The Heartless
Barbie: Race and Ride
Broken Helix
Bubsy 3D
Driver
Gundam Battle Assault
Hive, The
Hooters: Road Trip
In Cold Blood
Jampack Vol. 2
Land Before Time: Great Valley Racing Adventure
Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete
NFL Xtreme
NHL 2000
NHL 2001
NHL Blades of Steel 2000
NHL Rock the Rink
Nuclear Strike
One
PO'ed
Powerboat Racing (VR Sports)
Rascal
Rush Down
Sentient
Speed Punks
Super Puzzle Fighter 2 Turbo
Syphon Filter 2
Syphon Filter 3
UFC: Ultimate Fighting Championship
Worms

PlayStation 2
ATV Offroad Fury 3
Big Mutha Truckers
Big Mutha Truckers 2
ESPN NBA 2K5
Everquest® Online Adventures: Frontiers
F1 2001
F1 2002
Fight Night Round 2
Ghost Recon: Jungle Storm (Tom Clancy's)
Major League Baseball 2K5 (ESPN)
SRS: Street Racing Syndicate
Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005
Tomorrow Never Dies (007)

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Nice job Josh, looks like Flay has some competition. I guess it's too soon for someone to do the same for Revo.
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I volunteer my services for the REvolution, but as you said, a little to early.

Perhaps I could just combine the two other threads. (360 + PS3) Oops, you guys arn't supposed to know... The "revolution" is in fact that the system will not only play any Nintendo console game ever, but it will also play upcoming PS3 and 360 games as well.
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Where did you get the information that Fight Night was controlled with a dual shock?
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Where did you get the information that Fight Night was controlled with a dual shock?
It was shown during the press conference. Check out the video with the blue screen shown behind the two men:

http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/748/748455/vids_1.html

Its not in-your-face clear, but its pretty conclusive.
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Ahh... well, he's clearly holding a PS2 dualshock - I won't deny that... but that demonstration was obviously just a video - he wasn't controlling anything. It was originally rendered in real-time and recorded as a video specifically for E3 presentation purposes. And seeing as how Sony only gave PS3 alpha kits to developers like a month and a half before E3, most people thought it was pretty clear that the video was generated with the 360 alpha kit that EA had been working on developing the game with for the past year. It's possible that they were able to port it over to the PS3 alpha kit in time and in order to create that video demo, but not likely.

I'm not trying to diss the PS3 - it will no doubt be just as powerful and amazing if not (and likely) moreso than the 360...
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It was said that he was controlling the playback - you know, when they continually replayed that guys face getting pounded - with the Dual Shock. Don't know if that was true or not (can't see his hands when they are showing it). Not sure why he would randomly be holding a controller tho.
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Originally Posted by Trigger
Ahh... well, he's clearly holding a PS2 dualshock - I won't deny that... but that demonstration was obviously just a video - he wasn't controlling anything. It was originally rendered in real-time and recorded as a video specifically for E3 presentation purposes. And seeing as how Sony only gave PS3 alpha kits to developers like a month and a half before E3, most people thought it was pretty clear that the video was generated with the 360 alpha kit that EA had been working on developing the game with for the past year. It's possible that they were able to port it over to the PS3 alpha kit in time and in order to create that video demo, but not likely.

I'm not trying to diss the PS3 - it will no doubt be just as powerful and amazing if not (and likely) moreso than the 360...
No, it was in real time and not a video. I haven't checked out what videos you guys are watching off IGN, but I was at the conference and even taped the whole thing. There comes a point where he's showing off how realistic the characters are and he's panning a camera around the guy to show off the detail. It was clear that the demo was running in real time, running off a PS3 dev kit, and from their claim using RenderWare as well. Developers have had dev kits since earlier this year, especially companies like EA. They had them before GDC which was back in mid March. That was definitely two months before E3. Heck Epic even stated they had theirs at least for two months and EA had theirs before Epic. In fact, Fight Night hasn't even been announced as to being on the Xbox 360 yet if I recall. So ya, what you saw there was Fight Night for the PS3.
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count me in on buying what.but they have to do something with the controller. if you have to buy batteries for it all the time, then ppl might rethink thier decision. i'm learninmg toward blu-ray as well as playing my ps2 games on and lookinh forward to the new disc format.if they dont do something with the contoller,ethier have it with a cord as an option or ppl may less likely buy it for that factor asthey will go toward 360,or revelation or both.
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count me in on buying what.but they have to do something with the controller. if you have to buy batteries for it all the time, then ppl might rethink thier decision...if they dont do something with the contoller,ethier have it with a cord as an option or ppl may less likely buy it for that factor asthey will go toward 360,or revelation or both.
As described above:
I love me some cables. Can I connect controller that way?
The system will support up to 4 controllers connected via the USB ports on the front of the machine.

Can I still use my DualShock Controllers?
A DualShock was being used to control the Fight Night 3 demo at E3. It is assumed that you will be able to connect up to 4 DualShock controllers via USB adapter.
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Great job Josh.
I'm really looking forward to the updates on the PS3 as it is being developed.

As a suggestion, something minor yet helpful...if you could list the games in a different color (red, blue, etc.) for the titles that have already been confirmed to be in progress or to separate them altogether from the ones that are only rumored.
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As a suggestion, something minor yet helpful...if you could list the games in a different color (red, blue, etc.) for the titles that have already been confirmed to be in progress or to separate them altogether from the ones that are only rumored.
I think I can do that.
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Hard Drive possibly included:

June 1, 2005 - Sony has been somewhat vague on the inclusion of a hard disk with the PlayStation 3. The system's specifications reveal a slot for a detachable hard disk unit, but there's still not been any talk of a hard disk being included with the system from the start.


It seems that we're going to have to wait for confirmation. In an interview featured in the latest issue of Famitsu, Sony Computer Entertainment chief technical officer Masayuki Chatani, when asked if a hard disk will be included with the system from the start, replies "It has yet to be decided."
Chatani also reveals Sony's reasoning for going with a removable hard disk setup. The company believes that people will want to both upgrade to higher capacity drives in the future and carry their hard disks with them to attach to other PS3 units.

Moving away from the hard disk, Chatani is asked to comment a little on the system's controversial controller. "I don't think there will be any fundamental changes," he answers in response to a question on the possibility of changes to the controller's design, "but it's a prototype, so there could be some small adjustments."

Chatani also gives some hints into PS3 network gaming. Internet-based communication functionality will be a big part of the PS3, Chatani reveals. He belives it important to come up with communication tools for all ages.

Finally, those looking forward to more news on the PS3 should turn to the PSP for an estimated schedule. Sony debuted the portable system at E3, shared first fully playable games at the Tokyo Game Show, then launched in Japan on 12/12. Chatani reveals that the PS3 is set for Japanese release in Spring, so we can expect, to a certain level, a similar flow. This seems to suggest playable PS3 units at the September Tokyo Game Show.

And we can, hopefully, expect confirmation on the inclusion of a hard drive by around the same time.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/621/621155p1.html
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Do we really need Blu Ray DVD for games? 25/50 GB seems like a lot of wasted space too me.
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It's a way to get Sony's product into mainstream before the DVD Panel decides on which format, thus giving theirs an edge.
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Thank you for this thread.
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The company believes that people will want to both upgrade to higher capacity drives in the future and carry their hard disks with them to attach to other PS3 units.
My disk is always hard whenever I carry it.

Seriously though, I think it will be a smart move to include one as a standard feature. This way you're sure the entire PS3 user base will have a hard drive and you don't alienate one group from the other. The flipside to this is cost but it's still moot at this point since even this article didn't confirm the inclusion of a HD.
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Holy crap, that killzone video is amazing. It doesn't look like CG to me but I somehow doubt the game will look that good either. Wonder if it was a scripted demo being run in the game engine.
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I assume the unit will come with at least one of the wireless boomerangs--er, controllers.
Anyone know how many batteries it will take? 2, 4? AA, AAA? Or will it have built in rechargable battery/battery pack [my preferred option]?
Has wireless controller tech advanced far enough that these controllers will be reliable? Haven't most wireless controllers had issues regarding either range, angle, or response time?

Will it be able to save games and settings on any of those I/O devices, or do
you have to buy the specific "Sony Memory Stick", or HD?

And I agree, if they expect the HD to be a necessary and useful accessory, I think it should be included.
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Originally Posted by dtcarson
I assume the unit will come with at least one of the wireless boomerangs--er, controllers.
Anyone know how many batteries it will take? 2, 4? AA, AAA? Or will it have built in rechargable battery/battery pack [my preferred option]?
Has wireless controller tech advanced far enough that these controllers will be reliable? Haven't most wireless controllers had issues regarding either range, angle, or response time?

Will it be able to save games and settings on any of those I/O devices, or do
you have to buy the specific "Sony Memory Stick", or HD?

And I agree, if they expect the HD to be a necessary and useful accessory, I think it should be included.
My guess would be that it would accept both Alkaline and Rechargable batteries. My Sony digital camera uses Rechargable AA size batteries (which came with the camera). I imagine they will use something like that.

I have no personal experience with Bluetooth, but I think it is supposed to be pretty good.

For saving games, I think you will be able to use any form of storage, but maybe not. All your questions are sort of up in the air right now.
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I use Bluetooth with my Phone and PDA and it is good technology. The nice thing is you can hook up seven controllers and not have to worry about what channel they are on. Bluetooth will sort all of that out for you.

Bluetooth's only real limitation is range and speed compared to Wi-Fi, but that will not be an issue with controllers. It is also very power efficient.

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