Corporations do not pay for things that do not get passed to consumers.

Betamax was superior to VHS and still lost.

All I see is that by including the blu-ray, they are committing to a longer fight even if they are starting to lose the battle.

I don't care which comes out, but I wish they would hurry.

Ooops, didn't see we had moved on.

Not always the case.

I think you will find people will have more to say once these games are playable, or at least shown in a working demo. Currently all we can do is say, "OMG, those graphics are sweet.", but that means jack to most of us until 1) we can actually see that the game is playable (real), and 2) what type of gameplay will be offered. Until then the movies are just that, movies.

We needed some pics so here we go:

Well then, I guess you missed this post:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showpos...&postcount=129

Where I clearly say that the movie is IN GAME and PLAYABLE! This is the first playable game shown on the PS3.

I did some clean-up, and you will now notice that the games list (found on the first page) is better organized and easier to read. I also added a link to the HD-DVD vs Blu-Ray thread that kvrdave started.

My bad. I guess people just don't give a shit about the PS3 then.



That is a joke.

Hi res vids (links taken from psinext.com forums). I-8 looks great!

Project Force:
http://upsilandre.free.fr/videos/pr...2105_qthigh.mov

Lair:
http://upsilandre.free.fr/videos/lair_072105_qthigh.mov

PS3 Alfred Molina face demo:
http://upsilandre.free.fr/videos/ps...ip1_wmvhigh.wmv

I-8 (High resolution + increased framerate)
http://upsilandre.free.fr/videos/i-...1605_qthigh.mov

from maxconsole.net:

PSM September Magazine reveals interesting PS3 Information

In the upcoming PSM magazine, there is a feature article about the PS3. They say they received some 'new' information from their development sources who wish to remain anonnymous! No more memory cards, HDD is not for games and more detailed in this article!

#1 No More Memory Cards

We've received a lot of letters asking about how PS2 will be backwards compatible with PS2 and the original Playstation if it doesn't have memory card slot. Well, we have an answer, and it's both good and bad. First, the bad news: All of those old memory cards you have won't be usable with PS3. Okay then, wha's the solution? Sony has actually decided to only use Memory Stick Duo cards(the same format PSP uses) for PS3 save data. However, if you play a PS1 or PS2 game on PS3, the system will treat the Memory Stick like it's a normal memory card. This is different from the PS2, which requires you to use a PS1 memory card for PS1 saves. What this means is that you won't be able to use any of your old saves if you play PS1/PS2 games on PS3(wonder if a DexDrive will work...). But there's an upshot to all this: Downloading and sharing saves via PC for all three Playstations and PSP(hint, hint) will be easy as pie.

#2 Peripherals Passed Up

PS3 won't have old style memory card slots, and we can confirm that it won't support PS1/PS2 peripherals that used the controller port. You will be able to play PS1/PS2 games just fine using the new PS3 controller (bizarre as it looks), but things such as dance pads and third-party controllers won't be officially supported. Of course, it's highly likely some PS2-to-USB adaptor will be made(there's already one for the PC) allowing for such a thing. The question, then, is when.

#3 The Specs Aren't Set

Sony revealed some impressive PS3 tech specs at E3, but they apparently weren't set in stone. Developers have begun to tell us about actual improvements being made to the system's specifications, including more system memory and other low-level upgrades that we won't physically notice, but are making the people producing the games simply giddy.

#4 The HDD Won't Be For Games

There were plenty of moans heard when Sony started talking about an add-on hard disk drive for th PS3. We all know how well the PS2 HDD did. Still, there will be a micro HDD released for PS3 at some point in time. The first capacity being pitched is 80 gigabytes, but developers are being told it won't be for use with games. Instead, Sony is planning to use it as pure storage; you'll do things like put downloaded movies on it, copy MP3s to it, and store your digital photos on it. Then, using the PS3's network hub capability, be able to watch/listen to it all on any capable device hooked up to your home network, like a PC, PSP or even another PS3.

#5 The PSP As A Remote

A lot of folks were left scratching their heads after Sony talked about using the PSP as a emote for the PS3. Well, here's how it works at present: Even if your PS3 is in sleep mode, you will be able to access it via a PSP using Wi-Fi. You can then manage media stored on it, control movie playback from another room, or simply turn it on. Whee!

#6 There's A TiVo-like Add-on

Plans call for PS3 to eventually receive a USB video input box that will make it capable of recording video and television programming to the optional micro HDD. In other words, TiVo. Sony is also making a lot of behind-the-scenes noise about being able to go on trips and download shows you've missed from your PS3 to your PSP -- over the internet. We imagine using a USB cable would work just fine, too.

#7 Most games will be 720p

Although many PS3 games will feature 1080i and 1080p high-definition modes, a majority of developers are using the 720p standard as their target resolution. This is great news because the majority of HDTV's out there don't support 1080p yet, and the ones that do are hella expensive. It's pretty, though.

#8 Speed OR Quality: It's Your Call

It's something PC gamers have been able to do for years: Run their games at a lower resolution in order to speed them up. As it stands, Sony is leaving the door open for developers to offer players the ability to make their games run faster and smoother by using lower resolutions like 480p(progressive) or 480i(the standard egular TVs use). Sony obviously wouldn't want to abandon the majority of gamers who have non-HDTVs do by forcing all games to run at 720p. It's nice to hear that HD-less folks will get a little speed (can't read) from the lower resolutions, but if you're like us, it's all about resolution, baby.

All I want out of a console hard drive is game support. I want to cache data to the drive for better performance. I want to store saves there so I don't have to juggle memory cards. I want to see neat features like highlights *after* a football game.

I don't care anything about:

"put downloaded movies on it, copy MP3s to it, and store your digital photos on it. Then, using the PS3's network hub capability, be able to watch/listen to it all on any capable device hooked up to your home network, like a PC, PSP or even another PS3."

I find this a bit scary. Hope it's not the norm by any means.

Fucking Sweet!

1) Sony practically invented the Memory Card business. That little baby made a lot of money for Sony when they were losing money on the console. The same strategy was being used for the Memory Stick line - make devices which used the media so people were forced to buy it at high profits to Sony. What they did was combine the two similar ideas and made the PS3 a part of the Sony family (as they did with the PSP). This is a smart way to increase revenue for the hurting electronics devision.

2) PS2 USB connectors will be made - and made easily. This is a non-issue.

3) More memory in the PS3 would be a huge bomb on 360. One of the main complaints about the 360 is the lack of memory between the 3 cores. Increasing the memory in the PS3 means it will receive more complex games that will be noticably dumbed down for their 360 versions (if they are ever able to port them over). Strong move by Sony if this is true.

4) So far, MS has said the HDD is NOT needed to play games, meaning no caching or add-on storage. I don't see this as an issue if MS isn't going to allow developers to take full advantage of the HDD like they did with the Xbox.

5) Remote access by the PSP is sweet. I'll have to wait and see what can actually be done before I drool over it, but the possibilities sound interesting.

6) It will probably be cheaper to buy a TiVo then convert a PS3 to a TiVo.

7) I like 1080p much more, but 720p will be fine for now. I see this progressing as 1080p saturates the market.

8) This is killer. Giving power to the user is key.

Ugh. Good God, almost all of that makes me want a PS3 even LESS than I already do. The one thing that stands out in using a memory stick for the PS1 and PS2 games, which is one part really awesome and one part kick in the nuts. The PS2 seems like it could be designed the handle varying sizes and types of memory (though seeing as the HDD can only be used for storage and not for real saving/loading I'm not too sure) but the PS1 is pretty strict on the 15 block card format. My best assumption is that you'll be able to create various "virtual" PS1 memory cards on the memory stick via the browser system. I just hope there is some easy way to transfer old saves to memory sticks, once that's cleared up I'll be 100% on the loss of the old memory card formats.

The rest of the stuff is just ancillary non-gaming garbage. Sigh.
The part about changing resolutions for extra speed is flat out fucking creepy.

Doesn't that already happen on the xbox, though? I mean, there aren't many games that support high def (I think dragon's lair did, right?) but I have to assume that those playing it at 720p or 1080i will get different performance than those playing at 480i.

It's possible and certainly makes sense but I don't think it was ever touted as some kind of ground breaking feature nor have I heard of any game running better in standard resolution vs. HD. Performance tweaking should NOT be anywhere near a home console game in my opinion. The furthest I think this should go would be maybe a 60 vs. 30 FPS difference based on resolution.. but seeing as the PS3 can render Spiderman 2 in real-time I can't fathom what kind of game would push this God-like hardware to its limit.

I agree. A frame here or there is forgivable, but if this is truly a reality, it could end up where the game is tweaked out for 480i and choppy as hell in 720p. Forget about 1080p, let's focus on keeping 720p as smooth as 480i fer chrissakes.

I think everyone needs to consider what is being said before they start criticizing the idea. Allowing developers to make games in a lower standard only increases the library of games for the system. Is Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy or GT ever going to aim for the lower standards? Hell no! But will Barbie's Magical Pony Vacation use it? Maybe - if that means saving money. The only games that would use the lower standard would be budget games - you aren't going to see the next big game using it because of the risk of loser customers.

And Pixy, you need to look more closely. More system memory means easier system development (which means more time to add creative features rather than optimizing code). And using the PSP as a remote access tool means you could potentially use your PSP to check in on your character in a MMO game or see how your Clan is doing while out. There is potential for some real creative connectivity between the PSP and PS3.

Some Warhawk rumors:

2000 Enemies on screen at once
Air combat similar to Crimson Skies
Ground combat similar to Halo
Expected release of Winter 2006

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/638/638298p1.html

PS3 could be pushed back to 2007.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/content_page.php?aid=10531

PlayStation 3 Blu-ray drive may run faster than expected
Corey Brotherson 11:47 03/08/2005
Double-speed drives will be available prior to machine's launch

Sony's PlayStation 3 may be equipped with faster than expected Blu-ray drives at launch, as it has emerged that a speedier format will be available before the next generation machine is ready for retail.

The PlayStation 3 was originally mooted to launch with a single (1X, 36Mbit per second) speed drive to run its optical media. But with the arrival of 2X (72Mbps) drives this autumn, it's hoped that by the time PS3 launches in Japan in spring 2006, faster formats will be readily available, with potential for the multimedia machine to run up to 4X, costs permitting.

Sony has yet to confirm the speed of the drive used for PS3, and its specification is open to change over the next few months - but given that some first generation Blu-ray drives are 2X, it's quite possible that will be the minimum Sony will aim for.

For its part, Microsoft has elected to stick with the existing DVD standard in Xbox 360 - although comments from Bill Gates back at the end of June suggested that the company might be considering a move to HD-DVD, a Toshiba-backed rival format to Blu-Ray, at some point in the lifespan of the console.


Chris

Here is a more complete explanation of that.

It certainly does make sense for Sony to launch latter under the right conditions. If they do proceed with launch in early 2006 many people will be shocked and disappointed with what they get compared to what has been demonstrated at this point.

I'm really hoping the PS3 has further PS1 enhancements from what the PS2 had (which were mostly useless). I think being able to up the resolution would be great, I've played a few of my games on an emulator and while the models aren't any better, putting them at a higher resolution makes it SO much easier on the eyes (example: Zelda: OoT N64 vs. Cube port). Of course, since the focus on the PS3 is "multimedia" and not games I'm not sure this is a high priority on Sony's list of things to consider.

That's good news to me. The PS2 (the supposed "weak" system) still has insanely amazing looking games coming out for it and we're at the development point in the system's life where solid games are the focus of development, not the "new & shiny" extreme graphics the first couple of years a new system brings.

I couldn't agree more. I really feel we don't need to make the jump to a next generation right now. There are so many high quality games scheduled to come out. And they look great!

Whenever a new system launches it feels like we take a few steps back in terms of gameplay. Sure we get our Halos and such, but I find the majority of launch games to be rather disappointing and more eyecandy than gameplay.

I wouldn't mind Sony or Nintendo holding out a bit longer.

IMHO, there's no way they can afford to hold out and miss the all-important Christmas season. Even if there's a shortage, that will create more demand. If they miss the Christmas season and launch in the middle of summer or something, they'll find something akin to the PSP launch, which by all accounts disappointed some retailers who were expecting huge sell-outs. Not to mention a delay like that will cause some who were content to wait, to buy Xbox 360s right away.

I doubt the buyers who would be enticed by a cheaper PS2 are the ones who were going to go out and buy a next-gen system anyway...