Yeah it's higher than 720p, but 720p is the tv resolution equivilant, there is no true 1024x768 resolution just like the true resolution for 1080i is above 1080 (1024 I believe). A few Xbox games actually do 720p, WSB for example.

It seems like the PS2 *can* do 480p (Tekken 4 I think) but rarely does and it doesn't seem to be a trend like DTS wasn't a trend. I don't see how it could jump from barely doing 480p to 720p.

Well, this conversation got pretty technical in a hurry.
Getting back to the topic at hand : I love what I'm hearing from IGN. It sounds like an amazing, fun game. I'm sure the folks at Insomniac are now pretty worried and probably rethinking putting R&C2 out opposide this; the bar sounds like it has just been raised.

Leaving all the numbers and screenshots aside, if this game only looks a little better than R&C, it'll still be one of the best looking games on any system.

Gallant: I'll go with what you say. I definately wasn't intending to throw out hard numbers, but ballpark estimates.

I'm not sure if Tekken 4 is progressive, but I believe Virtua Fighter 4 Evolution is.

Decker is right. It would be nice if it was 720p or 1080i, but Jak 2 will look great regardless. A poorly designed game will look like junk no matter how high the resolution is.

trigun, I concur

No actually I was asking how you knew those screen grabs were in 720p. Maybe I don't know enough about HDTV standards but how does the size of the screen grab relate to the display method? For example how is a 1024x768 screen grab definitely displayed in 720p format? I just want to understand this better. Seems like display resolution and display format should be somewhat independent (except of course the number of lines of vertical resolution). Also how do we know those are 1024x768 screen grabs?

By the way Tekken4 is in 480p.

Saa, I guess people just skipped my post so I'll say it again. Tekken 4 and Guilty Gear XX are 525p! Not 480p like some are saying. Sorry for the bold. I just want that to be seen...

A casual glance is enough, but if you right click on the image in Internet Explorer and select 'Properties', it'll tell you.

I doubt they are worried. Imsomniac and Naughty Dog have been working together for a while. If you notice, Ratchet and Clank shares a lot of the same elements as Jak and Daxter, but improved on it. Even if Ratchet and Clank ended up being a sequel just like the original, I would be happy. Both these games are amazing and I can't get enough.

As I understand it, 525p doesn't exist as a viewable format on a television. It's downconverted to 480p.

Maybe more technical members like belboz can answer this more clearly, but if you see a screenshot that has a resolution of 1024x768, it will look the same on a HD screen as 720p. In this case, the PS2 doesn't do 720p output, so the screens you are seeing are of a higher resolution than the final product. I'm guessing they outputted the stills from their dev kit which is capable of a higher res but the actual game will most likely be 480i. Tekken 4 is 480p because it doesn't use a lot of video memory. Same as WSB and 720p on the Xbox. The less polygonal the game the more likely they can use a higher resolution from what I understand.

But you fail to mention that the Xbox's 720p is usually converted to 1080i? ^_^ I believe 525p is available on some plasma sets.

Whenever I play Guilty Gear X2 or Tekken 4, my Sony TV does not think that it is receiving a progressive signal. Whenever I play progressive GameCube or XBox titles or watch a DVD on my progressive scan player, it recognizes the signal as progressive. Am I missing an option in the PS2 setup or the options of the specific title?

trigun, what sort of input are you using to connect your PS2? I believe you have to use a component input to get a 480p connection.

Kyo, that's true it is upconverted, but I'm not sure that's a bad thing. It might diminish the quality some but not a lot. Nevertheless for the PS2 to do 480p (or 520p or whatever) it's very impressive since it was never designed to do it (same with DTS). They really are pushing that machine to its limit and that's a very good thing.

trigun, you have to hold "triangle" and "X" when the game is booting to put the games in progressive mode. A screen will pop up asking if you want to put it in progressive mode. I can't thonk of anything else you'd have to do.

I'm using component video cables (as I do with my GC and XBox) to play on my HDTV.

I'll give the triangle and x on bootup a try. That sure isn't obvious..

It's VERY obvious if you read the instructions that came with the Tekken4 manual. It tells you how to do it at the very beginning of the instructions.

I don't have an instruction manual, so without the manual, I would have NEVER known that the game could be played in progressive mode. Given the scarce number of progressive titles on the PS2 and no acknowledgment of the feature ingame, I just assumed that it wasn't supported.

My understanding is that 480p and 525p refer to the same thing. The ambiguity seems to stem from the fact that NTSC specifies 525 horizontal lines of which only 480 contain picture information. So even when you see a signal referred to as 525p, it still only contains 480 lines in its picture.

The 1024x768 (XGA) resolution is a VESA standard for PCs and doesn't have much to do with the DTV standards. The closest DTV format would be 720p which has a resolution of 1280x720. To display an XGA image on a 720p display, you'd need to do some resizing and/or cropping.

The Gamespy article that Franchise linked had this snippet on the 3rd page:

So if they've got it right, as GP suggested, the high res stills are probably being generated on a development. Naughty Dog is trying to implement 480p, but there's no guarantee about that at this point.

www.hdtvarcade.com is a good site for accurate and easy-to-read info on which games are in widescreen, 480p, 720p, etc.

Some new info regarding Jak2. There's an interview and some ultra high-res screen shots!! Modem users beware of the screenshots.

Great interview. Thanks.

525p is Japan's equivalent to America's 480p.