I think youre giving him too much credit.

To beleive that Nintendo...
they shapped it and made it what it is today

Random capitalization, goofy phrasing... Id say a third grade level.

Credibility = flawless spelling? Is this the Gaming-Age forum?

If you've followed his rock solid posts for years, you wouldn't be shooting this messenger.


By the way, in your two sentences...

No. Flawless spelling still won't win you credibility, although bad spelling will quickly make me skeptical.

I don't know how you can determine whether his information is accurate or not based on his posts, since, if his numbers seem off, he can just say Toys R Us is different than other retailers. The fact is, we have no idea who this guy is, what he does, or how accurate his data is. What's more, he doesn't give any numbers. He's intentionally vague, possibly because he doesn't have any real information.

I don't know what sort of "rock solid" information he's given in the past, but I am highly skeptical that Toys R Us or any other kind of retailer would be collecting this data and sending it around to employees. I'm especially skeptical that retailers would be collecting data on tie-in rates, since this does not affect them at all.

The fact that he believes EA is the largest games publisher undermines his credibility more than his spelling errors.

The recent NPD numbers had Xbox and Gamecube running neck and neck with a slight lead for Xbox in the US and a significant lead globally for Gamecube. I trust that more than this guy.

What remains is to debate the significance of this. If you like MS, it's impressive that they entered the market and are competing with a veteran like Nintendo.

If you like Nintendo, they're doing just fine, selling tons of first-party software, while Microsoft is only competing because it's heavily subsidized by Microsoft.

In the meantime, I'm thinking about all those GBA/GC connector cables Nintendo will sell thanks to Zelda. I bet they pull in a big profit on a thing like that.

Petty bickering aside, the actual numbers won't even come close to matching the original prediction, which is that the Xbox would come #1 in console sales this holiday season.

As I've already said in this thread, not in this generation.

I've got about a dozen consoles connected to my A/V system at any one time and I've been playing home console games since the late 70s... and if there is one thing that this thread is its "senseless". There are certain things being discussed here that have no relevance to anything really. People talking about "AAA" titles or what games are "good" is the main one. Everyone has their own personal preferences. Personally, I cant stand RPGs and think the GTA series is pretty lame as well.... so I haven't picked up a ps2 yet. I own a GC because I like the Resident Evil series and 0 and 4 will be GC exclusive (for a while anyway). I own an xbox for fps, sports, 3d shooter and stealth type games. IMO, Splinter Cell is the best new game released in the last 5 years, and therefore the system I "like" the most right now is the Xbox. Others can/will/should disagree, and thats fine. All of you console war fan boys need to do a whole lot less smack talking. It pretty much makes you look like a fool, and you're not convincing anyone... so... why are you doing it? Go play whatever system you are in love with and leave the rest of us to discuss our fav hobby.

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Huh? TRU has always sold more GCs per month than Xboxes. For Christmas, TRU has sold 'clearly more Xboxes'. Then, there are numerous reports than Best Buy, an Xbox-friendly retailer, has seen the usual Xbox lead greatly expanded. If the trend is the same at both retailing extremes, it's pretty safe to project a winner.


You're skeptical that someone high enough can check the computerized inventory and sales numbers of a retailer? Why in the world is that?

Would it help if I told you he's a buyer for TRU who is supposed to know what those numbers are? I don't suppose it would... anybody can say anything on the internet.


What does November's numbers have to do with December?

What are you talking about? This was a thread on holiday predictions, many people made their own, and now the results are clear, whether you want to wait for official numbers or not.

If you want to start a fascinating discussion of the profit margins of GBA/GC connectors, this doesn't seem like the right place.

I dont use apostrophes. Theyre a communist conspiracy. "beleive" and 'shapped" OTOH is pretty bad for somebody claiming to be an exec at a major retailer. Its a sliding scale. Hes not posting "teh" or "looser" but its still bad.

Actually, I work part time at TRU and they give us sales info all the time. We always hear what our sales goal is and what we made yesterday and last year, etc. Everyday, pretty much.

Also, when I was working last Sunday, they gave out the top sales numbers for the top toys for the season. I can only remember a few, but the top selling items (based on sales dollars, I believe) at OUR TRU for the 2002 Xmas season were...

1. Playstation 2
2. Yu-gi-oh card collector tins
3. Xbox

can't remember any more. They read off the top 20, I think. I can't remember if GameCube was on there or not. So someone claiming to have TRU's national sales data could probably get it pretty easily, if he wanted to. I probably could, if I went in and looked around on our computer system. Just FYI.

X

Unless he's wrong.


I don't know he's a buyer at TRU. He might be a stock boy. He might be a flat out liar.



What does November's numbers have to do with December?


This guy doesn't make anything clear to me.

U R teh biggest looser... I M 1337.

Official results:

PS2: 2,733,000
XBOX: 1,033,000
GCN: 619,000

yay. Now can we lock this thread?

Wow we got 8 pages out of that. Amazing.

Makes me kind of proud in a weird sort of way.

December NPD/CSFB Hardware + Software sales numbers

December Hardware Sales:

PS2: 2,733,000 (+ 107% over November)
XBOX: 1,033,000 (121+%)
GCN: 619,000 (+32%)
GBA: 2,215,000

Cumulative Installed Base:

PS2: 15,870,000
XBOX: 4,601,000
GCN: 3,583,000
GBA: 11,894,000

Tie Ratios:

PS2: 6.09
XBOX: 4.74
GCN: 4.67
GBA: 2.74

December Software Sales:

Overall

1 PS2 GRAND THEFT AUTO: VICE CITY Take Two Interactive
2 PS2 DRAGONBALL Z: BUDOKAI Infogrames
3 PS2 MADDEN NFL 2003 Electronic Arts
4 XBX T.CLANCY'S SPLINTER CELL Ubi Soft
5 PS2 LORD OF RINGS: TWO TOWERS Electronic Arts
6 GBA ZELDA: LINK TO PAST Nintendo
7 GBA YU -GI-OH! ETERNAL Konami
8 PS2 BOND 007: NIGHTFIRE ElectronicArts
9 PS2 TONY HAWK'S PRO SKATER 4 Activision
10 PS2 MORTAL KOMBAT: DEADLY ALLIANCE Midway
11 PS2 KINGDOM HEARTS Electronic Arts
12 PS2 ATV OFFROAD FURY 2 Sony
13 PS2 WWE: SHUT YOUR MOUTH THQ
14 GCN METROID PRIME Nintendo
15 GBA METROID FUSION Nintendo
16 GBA HARRY POTTER: CHAMBER OF SECRETS Electronic Arts
17 PS2 GRAN TURISMO3: A-SPEC Sony
18 PS2 SOCOM: U.S. NAVY SEALS Sony
19 PS2 NBA LIVE 2003 ElectronicArts
20 GBA YOSHI'S ISLAND: MARIO 3 Nintendo
21 PS2 HARRY POTTER: CHAMBER OF SECRETS Electronic Arts
22 GBA KIRBY: NIGHTMARE Nintendo
23 XBX T. CLANCY'S GHOST RECON UbiSoft
24 PS2 T. CLANCY'S GHOST RECON UbiSoft
25 GBA SUPER MARIO ADVANCE 2 Nintendo

PS2

1 GRAND THEFT AUTO:VICE Take-Two Interactive 78,217,420 $ 1,581,519
2 DRAGON BALL Z:BUDOKAI Infogrames 39,204,650 $ 787,173
3 MADDEN NFL 2003 Electronic Arts 32,882,530 $ 678,412
4 LORD OF RINGS: TOWERS Electronic Arts 27,479,470 $ 554,050
5 BOND 007: NIGHTFIRE Electronic Arts 24,182,070 $ 488,858
6 TONY HAWKS PRO SKATR4 Activision 22,888,240 $ 483,954
7 MORTAL KOMBAT: DEADLY Midway 22,621,440 $ 459,076
8 KINGDOM HEARTS Square EA 21,839,530 $ 445,363
9 WWE: SHUT YOUR MOUTH THQ 18,610,010 $ 381,194
10 SOCOM:U.S. NAVY SEALS Sony 18,239,890 $ 305,680

Xbox

1 T.CLANCY'S SPLINTER Ubi Soft 30,460,820 $ 633,337
2 T.CLANCYS GHOST RECON Ubi Soft 12,973,710 $ 262,019
3 HALO Microsoft 10,586,820 $ 223,553
4 MORTAL KOMBAT: DEADLY Midway 8,872,036 $ 179,147
5 MECH ASSAULT Microsoft 8,640,477 $ 174,761
6 BOND 007: NIGHTFIRE Electronic Arts 8,445,416 $ 171,133
7 MEDAL HONOR FRONTLINE Electronic Arts 7,244,885 $ 146,216
8 MADDEN NFL 2003 Electronic Arts 5,580,170 $ 132,011
9 UNREAL CHAMPIONSHIP Infogrames 5,078,320 $ 103,556
10 TONY HAWKS PRO SKATR4 Activision 4,877,289 $ 103,843

GCN

1 METROID PRIME Nintendo 17,620,870 $ 358,876
2 MARIO PARTY 4 Nintendo 11,914,080 $ 237,369
3 BOND 007: NIGHTFIRE Electronic Arts 7,336,355 $ 148,438
4 SUPER SMASH BRO MELEE Nintendo 6,505,369 $ 131,281
5 ANIMAL CROSSING Nintendo 6,502,045 $ 130,321
6 HARRY POTTER: CHAMBER Electronic Arts 6,493,548 $ 133,019
7 SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE Nintendo 8,768,688 $ 177,409
8 RESIDENT EVIL ZERO Capcom 5,424,010 $ 111,334
9 STAR FOX ADVENTURES Nintendo 4,924,395 $ 98,899
10 SONIC MEGA COLLECTION Sega 4,536,962 $ 119,626


Note: Cumulative hardware numbers are for 2002 only.
Note 2: The $ is after the dollar amount. The second number is the number of units.

Ok now this can be locked.

the way those numbers are formatted looks like GTA sold 78 million copies and made 1.5 million bucks. Same goes for all those. Thanks for posting the numbers though.

Yah, thats why I added the note.

Now whos teh 1337, Trigger?

Wow the PS2 had 15 of the top 25 selling games in December.

anyone have the console sales figures worldwide?

I stopped reading after tie-in ratio... :/

I don't think the order has changed. GameCube did well in Europe and Japan so its still PS2, GameCube, and Xbox third worldwide. The PS2 lead is so huge I really don't know if the numbers even matter anymore.

Xbox has overtaken Gamecube in Europe. There have been numerous articles about it on several game industry websites. Of course, Xbox is still doing horribly in Japan but I'd be surprised if Gamecube has sold enough in Japan to overcome the gap in Europe and more importantly, here in North America. Worldwide, it's probably pretty close but it looks like Xbox may now have a slight lead.

I stoled this from HTF

Japanese Sales figures from http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten.htm

Hardware Sales Chart

Total Sales in 2002
GameBoy Advance - 3,146,900
PlayStation 2 - 3,511,200
GameCube - 1,129,300
Xbox - 312,400
PSone - 219,000
SwanCrystal - 112,800
WonderSwan Color - 121,600
GameBoy Color - 83,900

really. the only articles I had read mentioned that in a few countries that the XBox had pulled ahead. They seemed to imply that overall GC was still second in Europe. Although actual sales numbers would be great to get a real idea how overall everyone is doing.

Thanks Gallant for those Japan numbers