XBOX holiday predictions....
11-02-02 | 04:27 PM
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Any way you cut it, the XBox will have the best quality version out of all 3 consoles since the game was built based on XBox hardware. It will also have the same amount of content as the later versions since it's XBox Live compatible.
Also, the PC version has been delayed into late January 2003, so the XBox has an exclusive holiday season with Splinter Cell.
Also, the PC version has been delayed into late January 2003, so the XBox has an exclusive holiday season with Splinter Cell.
11-02-02 | 07:55 PM
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Oh, I'm sure the X-box version will be the best. But the difference will probably only be better graphics and maybe online play, two things I don't care about very much, definitely not enough to buy another console for.
11-02-02 | 08:32 PM
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
Oh, I'm sure the X-box version will be the best. But the difference will probably only be better graphics and maybe online play, two things I don't care about very much, definitely not enough to buy another console for.
Oh, I'm sure the X-box version will be the best. But the difference will probably only be better graphics and maybe online play, two things I don't care about very much, definitely not enough to buy another console for.
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11-03-02 | 01:17 PM
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Splinter Cell looks to be an exciting game, but it probably isn't the kind of mainstream title that can drive a lot of hardware sales.
Even if Splinter Cell is a fantastic game, the name-brand recognition of Resident Evil Zero and Vice City will probably factor more into hardware purchases. It doesn't help that Splinter Cell goes multiplatform in January, and that ads will mention this.
Clancy games in the past have been great for gamers, but often frustrating for casual players, because they are so realistic. So while current Xbox owners are getting what looks to be a fantastic game, it won't necessarily be one that will effect the sales of Xbox very much.
Even if Splinter Cell is a fantastic game, the name-brand recognition of Resident Evil Zero and Vice City will probably factor more into hardware purchases. It doesn't help that Splinter Cell goes multiplatform in January, and that ads will mention this.
Clancy games in the past have been great for gamers, but often frustrating for casual players, because they are so realistic. So while current Xbox owners are getting what looks to be a fantastic game, it won't necessarily be one that will effect the sales of Xbox very much.
11-03-02 | 01:21 PM
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Actually, the ads for Splinter Cell in EGM don't mention that it's going multiplatform, other than PC.
As for whether it can sell hardware, that remains to be seen. I never thought GTA3 would be a system selling game either.
But the fact that it is going multiplatform will cut down on its system selling power, at least among gamers that are reasonably well informed and know it's going multiplatform.
As for whether it can sell hardware, that remains to be seen. I never thought GTA3 would be a system selling game either.
But the fact that it is going multiplatform will cut down on its system selling power, at least among gamers that are reasonably well informed and know it's going multiplatform.
11-03-02 | 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by ScandalUMD
Splinter Cell looks to be an exciting game, but it probably isn't the kind of mainstream title that can drive a lot of hardware sales.
Splinter Cell looks to be an exciting game, but it probably isn't the kind of mainstream title that can drive a lot of hardware sales.
It doesn't help that Splinter Cell goes multiplatform in January, and that ads will mention this.
Slightly Incorrect. Splinter Cell goes to the PC in late January, then to the PS2 and Gamecube in mid-March if the ports are done in time.
Also, any ads will not mention multiplatform plans before January 1st, 2003. That's part of the deal.
11-03-02 | 01:44 PM
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Originally posted by Flay
Just like Metal Gear Solid 2 didn't sell any PS2's, right? Any title can push hardware if it's an AAA title and it's advertised to death, which is something Microsoft can handle.
Just like Metal Gear Solid 2 didn't sell any PS2's, right? Any title can push hardware if it's an AAA title and it's advertised to death, which is something Microsoft can handle.
I totally agree with your other point though. Any good game (good reviews, good word of mouth) can turn into a system seller, as long as it gets enough advertising.
It would be better if MS could have gotten total exclusivity though, but a few months is better than nothing. Especially when those few months encompass the holiday season.
11-03-02 | 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Josh Hinkle
It would be better if MS could have gotten total exclusivity though, but a few months is better than nothing. Especially when those few months encompass the holiday season.
It would be better if MS could have gotten total exclusivity though, but a few months is better than nothing. Especially when those few months encompass the holiday season.
11-03-02 | 02:53 PM
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I have a feeling Microsoft is waiting to see if the game turns out to be a system seller and if it does, will then spend the money to make it completely exclusive (much like what Sony did with GTA3). We'll see if I'm right...
I have a feeling Microsoft is waiting to see if the game turns out to be a system seller and if it does, will then spend the money to make it completely exclusive (much like what Sony did with GTA3). We'll see if I'm right...
11-03-02 | 05:20 PM
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Originally posted by Flay
Just like Metal Gear Solid 2 didn't sell any PS2's, right? Any title can push hardware if it's an AAA title and it's advertised to death, which is something Microsoft can handle.
Just like Metal Gear Solid 2 didn't sell any PS2's, right? Any title can push hardware if it's an AAA title and it's advertised to death, which is something Microsoft can handle.
The buzz around Splinter Cell is very positive, but the hype factor is maybe a fraction of what MGS 2 had going for it. Ads can build awareness of a title, but Splinter Cell never built the sort of scrambling for screenshots frenzy MGS 2, or for that matter, Halo had. I'm not sure any game can have that this year, because the hardware can't produce visuals that blow everybody away anymore. We've seen it all before.
Slightly Incorrect. Splinter Cell goes to the PC in late January, then to the PS2 and Gamecube in mid-March if the ports are done in time.
Also, any ads will not mention multiplatform plans before January 1st, 2003. That's part of the deal. [/B]
Also, any ads will not mention multiplatform plans before January 1st, 2003. That's part of the deal. [/B]
11-03-02 | 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by Icculus
I'm pretty sure the timed exclusivity is a done deal. The other ports are probably already being worked on (or if they're not they will be soon after the XBox release). MS wouldn't have a chance to wait it out and see how it sells.
I'm pretty sure the timed exclusivity is a done deal. The other ports are probably already being worked on (or if they're not they will be soon after the XBox release). MS wouldn't have a chance to wait it out and see how it sells.
11-04-02 | 12:02 AM
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Metal Gear Solid 2 was attached to a more valuable franchise.
Metal Gear Solid 2 was attached to a more valuable franchise.
11-04-02 | 11:51 AM
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I'll tell you why I bought my Xbox last year: the possibility of it being able to run MAME (modchip required)
I just so happened to finally run it yesterday and it was worth the wait! I never was a fan of Afterburner, but give me fake surround sound and a big screen tv, and it's pretty sweet. It's much better than using a pc (no bootup time, no keyboard)
Next weekend I'll see how well it can run Atari 2600, NES and Sega Master System
I just so happened to finally run it yesterday and it was worth the wait! I never was a fan of Afterburner, but give me fake surround sound and a big screen tv, and it's pretty sweet. It's much better than using a pc (no bootup time, no keyboard)
Next weekend I'll see how well it can run Atari 2600, NES and Sega Master System
11-05-02 | 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Trigger
The Tom Clancy series (Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon) has been huge for the PC and even consoles.
The Tom Clancy series (Rainbow 6, Ghost Recon) has been huge for the PC and even consoles.
Metal Gear Solid is one of the most popular games ever.
And I don't recall Rainbow 6 selling very well on the consoles, as the PC version was considered to be superior.
12-02-02 | 04:18 AM
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I don't know which system will have a better holiday now. The killer apps are there for each and the price is right.
The Xbox really turned around for me since September due to:
1. Sega Bundle
2. Xbox Live
3. A batch of big/hyped games were as good as they were supposed to be finally (the class of November)
4. The exclusives for the next few months interest me more than those on PS2 and almost as much as those on GC.
The Cube delivered big with Metroid, but everything else has been a disappointment for me this year. Right now the GC's 2003 line-up interests me the most out of all three consoles.
The Xbox really turned around for me since September due to:
1. Sega Bundle
2. Xbox Live
3. A batch of big/hyped games were as good as they were supposed to be finally (the class of November)
4. The exclusives for the next few months interest me more than those on PS2 and almost as much as those on GC.
The Cube delivered big with Metroid, but everything else has been a disappointment for me this year. Right now the GC's 2003 line-up interests me the most out of all three consoles.
12-02-02 | 07:59 AM
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I don't know which will have the better holiday, but so far I would have to say the PS2 again. On Black Friday, everyone at Circuit City was scrambling for PS2's, it was a madhouse. At Best Buy almost all of their PS2's were gone, but they still had massive stacks of GC's and Xbox's around.
12-03-02 | 04:11 PM
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It's pretty darn rare to find someone who likes games and dislikes either Mario or Zelda. Because they're both series that feature uniformly fantastic games.
Now, as far as who will sell more. In my opinion it is likely that the PS2 will sell more but I DO see the tide turning. When I used to go into EB it was always the same thing with the PS2 hype but now things have shifted. When people come in they don't automatically grab a PS2. I hear them questioning and looking at the games and I see a LOT of gamers grabbing the Xbox. Heck, my cousin bought a PS2 and turned around a few weeks later and was fortunate enough to trade it for an Xbox (IMO).
Also, when you look at what is new for the Holiday season the Xbox stands out by a LARGE margin. From LIVE, with games like GR, MechAssault, UC, NHL2K3 (only online for Xbox), and others. Plus you have Splinter Cell. PS2 has it's big flagship title of GTA:VC which I've already seen plenty of people say is NOT as good as GTA3 even here and even avid PS2 gamers. Then there is Nintendo. Nintendo has Metroid. To me Metroid is an AWESOME game to say the least but it will be conquered soon and there really isn't much else that is exclusive for me to want. OOPS! I did forget RE: Zero. I would like this game but I had to pass on it for now and get Metroid. The RE games are just starting to seem like the same old thing with a little bit different characters and puzzles and this is what the majority of the Reviews say.
So, IMO the Xbox easily has the best holiday lineup and I think the PS2 has the weakest linup for the holiday with ease. I also think that gamers are finally starting to notice the Xbox. They almost can't help but notice when it has some of the TOP games out right now (not just one but many). The PS2 is losing its edge. At one time everyone was saying, "what good is there on the Xbox but Halo?" Well, it is VERY difficult for them to say that now but very EASY for me to say, "What great title is there lately for the PS2 but GTA:VC (which I don't play). Yeah, there will be FF games but maybe Nintendo will be getting in on that action. If I have to own 2 then the PS2 goes out the door. If it wasn't for good platformers like Sly Cooper that I love to play with my son, I would have sold my PS2 a long time ago.
After all of this is said, YES I still think the PS2 will sell more. Why you ask? HYPE, the same reason the system has sold good from the beginning when I preordered mine!
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12-31-02 | 10:00 PM
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The results are in...
Below is a quote of Hawkmoon, a ToysRUs employee (a buyer, I believe, who's publicized accurate internal TRU game sales data/impressions on messageboards for years) on another site's forum.
Since Gamecube has regularly beaten Xbox pretty handily in sales every month at TRU, the following may as well be official data that the end result was...
1. PS2
2. Xbox
3. Gamecube
After reading, feel free to go back and check out everybody's predictions.
Since Gamecube has regularly beaten Xbox pretty handily in sales every month at TRU, the following may as well be official data that the end result was...
1. PS2
2. Xbox
3. Gamecube
After reading, feel free to go back and check out everybody's predictions.
As you all know, I work in retail. I never say which one, but most of you know who I work for, which is a major retailer.
Overall, the Xbox did out sell the GameCube and by a large margin. At the same time, the PS2 outsold the Xbox by a large margin. After saying that last sentance, it reminds me of the same post I did last year on the sales of the machines.
I do know from high ups at Best Buy that the Xbox outsold the cube by a larger number than what it did at my company.
***BEFORE THE FLAMES COME***, I had to say that since lately, the above comments would raise some controversy. What I mentioned above, it what I see on our computer systems at a National Level. As far a Best Buy, that is just what I am told by a friend which also has access to their national sales numbers. There is no *hidden* GameCube bashing. <End> Disclaimer...
Anyways, on the software side the Xbox seems to have done the best as far as tie-in ratio to systems sold. Xbox even beat out the PS2 in this regard. Overall, PS2 software sold more than anything. The tie-in ratio was better on the Cube as it was on the PS2 as well.
When you look at what sold though on the Cube's software side, it is very lopsided in the fact that Nintendo made games out sell 3rd party software by a large number. Sports games (Sega's and EA) are not too good, games like EA's Harry Potter and Sega's Sonic Mega Collection did sell pretty good.
Historically, Nintendo's own made games had always sold better than any 3rd party game. Nintendo, clearly makes most of their money from Software sales, but what hurts them a little is the timeing of releases or the lack of enough Nintendo made releases.
I am not saying the rumor is true, I have not idea one way or another, but let me say this. If Nintendo were to release a Mario game on all the systems could you imagine the sales potential? It would be huge. To me it is what Sega wanted to do going 3rd party but have not pulled it off, yet!
Overall, Sales for ALL systems were impressive and they all sold enough to warrent them being a success. Enough system to justify the existance of 3 systems. What may hurt Nintendo though is the fact that 3rd party games do not sell all that great. Yes, there have been some hits, but alot of misses. This holds true for all the systems, the XBox has alot of 3rd party games that don't sell too well as does the PS2.
With how this industry runs, the 3rd place guy is usually going to get neglected. In the past we could rely on the Japanese developers, but look at what sells now, it is not Japanese developed games, most of the top selling games & developers are European and North America. They are looking at the U.S. sales more than anything and I think they will support the top 2 more than all 3 systems.
To beleive that Nintendo only thinks about games, is naive. They are all about the profit line and they know how to succed at it. If they only thought of the games and gamers, they would of not charged the incredible amount of money to 3rd parties for making cartridges for their older machines.
Nintendo knows the industry, they shapped it and made it what it is today. With the GBA and the popularity of their games, they would be the company that puts EA out of the No.1 position.
-Hawkmoon
Overall, the Xbox did out sell the GameCube and by a large margin. At the same time, the PS2 outsold the Xbox by a large margin. After saying that last sentance, it reminds me of the same post I did last year on the sales of the machines.
I do know from high ups at Best Buy that the Xbox outsold the cube by a larger number than what it did at my company.
***BEFORE THE FLAMES COME***, I had to say that since lately, the above comments would raise some controversy. What I mentioned above, it what I see on our computer systems at a National Level. As far a Best Buy, that is just what I am told by a friend which also has access to their national sales numbers. There is no *hidden* GameCube bashing. <End> Disclaimer...
Anyways, on the software side the Xbox seems to have done the best as far as tie-in ratio to systems sold. Xbox even beat out the PS2 in this regard. Overall, PS2 software sold more than anything. The tie-in ratio was better on the Cube as it was on the PS2 as well.
When you look at what sold though on the Cube's software side, it is very lopsided in the fact that Nintendo made games out sell 3rd party software by a large number. Sports games (Sega's and EA) are not too good, games like EA's Harry Potter and Sega's Sonic Mega Collection did sell pretty good.
Historically, Nintendo's own made games had always sold better than any 3rd party game. Nintendo, clearly makes most of their money from Software sales, but what hurts them a little is the timeing of releases or the lack of enough Nintendo made releases.
I am not saying the rumor is true, I have not idea one way or another, but let me say this. If Nintendo were to release a Mario game on all the systems could you imagine the sales potential? It would be huge. To me it is what Sega wanted to do going 3rd party but have not pulled it off, yet!
Overall, Sales for ALL systems were impressive and they all sold enough to warrent them being a success. Enough system to justify the existance of 3 systems. What may hurt Nintendo though is the fact that 3rd party games do not sell all that great. Yes, there have been some hits, but alot of misses. This holds true for all the systems, the XBox has alot of 3rd party games that don't sell too well as does the PS2.
With how this industry runs, the 3rd place guy is usually going to get neglected. In the past we could rely on the Japanese developers, but look at what sells now, it is not Japanese developed games, most of the top selling games & developers are European and North America. They are looking at the U.S. sales more than anything and I think they will support the top 2 more than all 3 systems.
To beleive that Nintendo only thinks about games, is naive. They are all about the profit line and they know how to succed at it. If they only thought of the games and gamers, they would of not charged the incredible amount of money to 3rd parties for making cartridges for their older machines.
Nintendo knows the industry, they shapped it and made it what it is today. With the GBA and the popularity of their games, they would be the company that puts EA out of the No.1 position.
-Hawkmoon
01-01-03 | 01:45 AM
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My prediction was:
Looks like I nailed it. I figured things would stay pretty much the same as they had been. PS2 way out in front, Xbox second and Nintendo in third.
I'm ready to make the same prediction for next Christmas.
By then the consoles will be even cheaper and a whole new group of people will be flocking to the stores to buy PS2s. PS2 reaching saturation of the market is still a long way off IMO.
The good news in all of this is how well all three consoles are doing. Its rare for two consoles to have these kinds of sales at one time, but three is unbelievable. Its a great time to be a gamer. This may go down as the greatest time in the history of console gaming.
PS2 will outsell the competition again this holiday season. That poll is worthless.
People who don't already have a PS2 will be drawn in by all the $19.99 Greatest Hits titles available and of course Vice City will probably help.
Sounds like that poll was conducted among Microsoft employees.
The Xbox might beat the Game Cube, but not the PS2.
People who don't already have a PS2 will be drawn in by all the $19.99 Greatest Hits titles available and of course Vice City will probably help.
Sounds like that poll was conducted among Microsoft employees.
The Xbox might beat the Game Cube, but not the PS2.
I'm ready to make the same prediction for next Christmas.
By then the consoles will be even cheaper and a whole new group of people will be flocking to the stores to buy PS2s. PS2 reaching saturation of the market is still a long way off IMO.
The good news in all of this is how well all three consoles are doing. Its rare for two consoles to have these kinds of sales at one time, but three is unbelievable. Its a great time to be a gamer. This may go down as the greatest time in the history of console gaming.
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01-01-03 | 01:52 AM
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Nintendo knows the industry, they shapped it and made it what it is today. With the GBA and the popularity of their games, they would be the company that puts EA out of the No.1 position.
I think things are pretty much locked in for the US. I really don't see it changing. With Nintendo stuck in third in the US and the PS2 way out in front anyway I guess the rumors about Nintendo dropping out of the console business can start again. We probably won't know for sure though for a couple of years.
01-01-03 | 02:17 AM
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Originally posted by gcribbs
I agree. The PS2 will continue to outsell the other consoles for the next few years. Sony expects to reach 48 million units shipped by the end of this year with the XBox expecting to hit under 7 million shipped worldwide.
there is no way that the XBox will outsell the PS2 unless the XBox drops its price and the PS2 does not.
projected worldwide numbers for the end of 2002
PS2 - 48.4 million
GCN - 15.1 million
Xbox - 6.9 million
I agree. The PS2 will continue to outsell the other consoles for the next few years. Sony expects to reach 48 million units shipped by the end of this year with the XBox expecting to hit under 7 million shipped worldwide.
there is no way that the XBox will outsell the PS2 unless the XBox drops its price and the PS2 does not.
projected worldwide numbers for the end of 2002
PS2 - 48.4 million
GCN - 15.1 million
Xbox - 6.9 million
I do think that as I said somewhere in this thread that the GC will remain in second worldwide and probably pull further ahead. The XBox will remain in third place worldwide.
I still expect the Gc to pull ahead in the US by Zelda
01-01-03 | 09:19 PM
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Re: The results are in...
Originally posted by mr.snowmizer
Below is a quote of Hawkmoon, a ToysRUs employee (a buyer, I believe, who's publicized accurate internal TRU game sales data/impressions on messageboards for years) on another site's forum.
Since Gamecube has regularly beaten Xbox pretty handily in sales every month at TRU, the following may as well be official data that the end result was...
1. PS2
2. Xbox
3. Gamecube
After reading, feel free to go back and check out everybody's predictions.
Below is a quote of Hawkmoon, a ToysRUs employee (a buyer, I believe, who's publicized accurate internal TRU game sales data/impressions on messageboards for years) on another site's forum.
Since Gamecube has regularly beaten Xbox pretty handily in sales every month at TRU, the following may as well be official data that the end result was...
1. PS2
2. Xbox
3. Gamecube
After reading, feel free to go back and check out everybody's predictions.
I don't know why I should believe this guy. His statements are imprecise and his credentials are suspect.