Apple OSs have always had as many problems as Microsoft OSs. OSX started out buggy and incompatible with everything, but has grown into a fairly stable OS - I'll agree with that. Windows XP is also very stable. Anyway - you're forgetting about Linux for the PC.

Any PC you've used. Based on your experience, maybe that's true - but that doesn't make it a fact that Mac is superior to PC.

Name a graphics program on the Mac that isn't available on the PC. Name a graphics program on the Mac that isn't available on the PC and tell me what features it has over programs available for the PC and I'll show you 5 graphics programs available for the PC that will do the same thing.

If the sucky gaming on the MAC isn't a concern, then why even bother posting in this thread... it's a lighthearted thread about this funny video and you start dissing on PCs having unstable operating systems. That's a crap if I've ever seen one. Mac does have a few advantages over PCs - but there's nothing a Mac can do that a PC can't. There are numerous things a PC can do that a Mac can't do - even apart from gaming. Anyway - I'm not all anti-mac... I don't think this thread was meant to be either so there's no need to pipe up defending the Mac... I started off using an Apple 2gs and from there went to a Packard Bell piece of crap PC... even though the Packard Bell sucked, I never looked back. If I really want to go against the grain, I'll install Linux on my PC.

You'd have to direct that question to my fiance as I'm not a graphic designer. She has experience on both as a she had a job that required her to use PC graphics programs and she hated it. She says the programs are much better on the MAC. The only one I've used on both is Photoshop, and the MAC version seemed better to me. Mainly colors and stuff are represented much more faitfully on the mac. Stuff I did on the MAC looked the same on the screen as it did on the print out, on the PC the colors didn't match at all. Totally different shades. Anyway, no sense in arguing since neither of us is a graphic designer and it is a general consensus in the design, advertising and other graphics industrys that MACs are superior for graphics.


I was responding to a statement by gcribbs that I disagreed with (that macs only advantage was graphics). You didn't have to respond 3 or 4 times and pull the thread off topic as I wasn't posting in regards to anything you said.

I'd argue that this whole thread is a geeky thread crap anyway as it serves no purpose than to make fun of MACs. If this was about the X-box, Gamecube or PS2 it would be closed as console bashing.

that's not true.

Well, if you're a graphic designer and prefer PCs for design programs you're in an extreme minority.

If you say so - you're the expert.

Ummm...I think you are treading on some dangerous ground there. I am a video editor, and the other two members of my team are graphic designers. We all use PCs for Illustrator, Photoshop, 3d Studio Max and After Effects. We have a Mac g4 with OSX (which crashed the first day we had the system) for Final Cut Pro and DVD Studio Max, but that's all we use it for.

Macs have great intergration between their programs, but there aren't any huge advantages (that I've seen) in using a PC version vs. a Mac of a graphics program.

How many design firms, magazines, newspapers, ad agencies, etc use PCs for design programs?

I rest my case.

Exactly - how many? How many dsign firms use apples? Do you know? No, you don't. You know your fiance and that's it. Rest your case all you want, but that doesn't change the fact that you still don't know what you're talking about. I'll admit that MAC is a good platform for graphics and video, but that doesn't mean the PC sucks. The PC has more software available to it and it's more flexible. If you're printouts aren't the same color as what you see on screen, then you have something setup wrong.

I don't know, how many?

One of the advantages that we have at work is that we hand-build all our graphics systems. You can spend a lot of money on a Mac and get a great system, or you can spend less on a PC, put it together with top-of-the-line parts and have something that is extremely comparable.

They may use Macs more than PC...but Photoshop is pretty much Photoshop, no matter what brand of computer it runs on.

I find Photoshop to be 100x easier on a PC with the 2 mouse buttons and the wheel (actually, I've programmed the 3rd and 4th buttons with macros to make it even easier). Several years ago, Mac had more advantages over PCs and designers begrudgingly went with Macs because they more or less had to. The tables have turned and the irony of these commercials is that more and more people in these industries are switching to PCs.

"The Mac is so simple to use - there's only one mouse button to keep track of and since you only get to run one program at a time really, it makes it so much simpler to keep track of what you're doing. All that multi-tasking is so confusing. You also don't have to worry about upgrading since the Mac isn't upgradeable. That's a load off my mind. When I used to have a PC, I'd be upgrading something every couple of years when the component would become obsolete. With the Mac, the whole thing becomes obsolete at the same time so I just get a whole new machine every couple of years instead.

My name is Trigger and I'm a bus driver."

I've worked for 3 newspapers, visited several others (probably 10 total) and all the design/advertising/layout systems were all MAC.

It's a general consensus that designers love MACs, you guys don't. Big deal.

Its becoming less and less true that graphic design shops are all mac shops. My father does graphic arts and his shop is about 50/50 now. They still have an unnatural attachment to zip drives though. But they are being weened off macs.

Wow - then you know everything about the design/advertising/layout community since you've been to 13 newspaper companies. That's representational of the entire world. Come to think of it - when I was in high school 10-13 years ago, all they had were MACs - that must mean that everyone in the universe uses a MAC. On top of that - in Independence Day, the mothership was compatible with an Apple laptop. Boy - thanks for pointing out just how wrong I was.

Again with the "geek" label on something you disagree with.

I'm getting really tired of all this bickering in the VG Talk forum. This thread is not about Apple vs. PC... and no, that's not an invitation to start an Apple vs. PC thread. Knock it off, or I'm closing the thread.

Can't you use any two button mouse with a Mac as long as its USB?

Yeah, but I use a 4 button mouse with a wheel and a cup holder. I don't think the MAC could handle that. Actually, yeah you can I think... I don't know about mouse drivers or whatever, but I think you can. Anyway - I still prefer to use a PC since it's so versatile from gaming to graphics to publishing to CAD to game design etc... that's just me. I don't really care if the world uses a MAC and I'm the only PC user - I just thought that video was funny.

Don't worry, I'm not debating that. Just asking about the mouse issue.

you'd be suprised how many do. most are at least 50/50 and most design schools you go to are 50/50 as well. they used to be dominated by mac, but most are getting more and more pcs.

This is pretty much a duplicate thread from the one where I posted the video to in the first place. Not to mention this is the wrong forum for it anyway. May as well close it.

The funny thing about this is I went to Amazon and saw that a lot of the new games are out for Mac also. It's not a big deal, the video was funny but it was a total exageration.

I use a PC and Mac about equal amount each day (PC at work; mac at home). My work PC is pretty new and expensive, but i like the mac better for most things. The mac is 3 years older than the PC and i dont notice any real speed differences.

As for gaming, i'm playing Warcrap 3 and thats all that matters (to me).

Its kind of funny how if someone says they think macs are better than PCs, the PC people jump on them and say PCs are better than macs. Its just what your used to and what you know. is there anyone here that thinkgs they know Macs better than PCs but likes PCs better?

-daveninja.com

bump. the video is still hilarious.

darn, looks like it's been removed.

Here ya guys go. From the source.
http://www.drunkgamers.com/archives/000305.shtml

I begrudgingly use Macs occasionally where I work (marketing department where they have an unnatural obsession with Macs), and I feel like I get the work done in, like, twice the time. It's not that I don't know what I'm doing... it just seems like it takes longer to do just about everything on a Mac. Part of it has to do with the one-button deal.